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Interesting dynamic with Jay and Aliona.
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fatskia
26-10-2015
Coppertop1 understands.

This is Michael and Aliona on Breakfast time TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d8ewUtLlhU

Michael commenting on his time on The People's Strictly.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFX9bpTWgAAyIGu.jpg
Here is an excerpt from that page.

Michael was often frustrated at his progress but loved working with Aliona, and the pair became such good friends. “I love her to bits. She is so warm and genuine.” that she spent a lot of time socialising him and Patsy and their friends when she came to Dumfries for training. He was thrilled that Aliona took the time to visit the Alexandra Unit and Ward 15 at Dumfries & Galloway Royal Infirmary with him – and that she was so impressed with Dumfries that she brought her husband Vincent Kavanagh for a visit, too.

And a reunion they had recently.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/lo...pattie-6559207

There were headlines that MIchael hugging Aliona was 'uncomfortable' viewing.

Expressing emotion can be seen in the same way as a glass half full and a glass half empty. There is nothing wrong with the way Michael was hugging Aliona.

Nothing wrong with the way Jay talks about Ainsley.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/strictlyc...a-95b51596bb14
victoriasponge
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Heebyjeeby:
“Disagree. Just because one is 'light entertainment' does not mean it is no an emotionally intense experience for the participants. Especially subjectively, depending on their individual emotional levels and sensitivity. The poin is not being made that the experiences are the same. Clearly one is tragic and one is a stressful occupation for a participant. The key issue is the elvel of emotional intensity that an individual experiences, the intimate behaviour they display as a result of being in that situation, and that intimate behaviour foes not automatically equal sexual behaviour.”

Edit - never mind, this thread is ridiculous.
tabithakitten
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by victoriasponge:
“Edit - never mind, this thread is ridiculous.”

Well you're right about that at least.
changa
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by victoriasponge:
“Oh come on, people! This is a light-hearted forum dedicated to a dance show. How appropriate is it to post a description of a truly harrowing event and then compare it directly with the behaviour of two young people on a light entertainment programme? (Clue - not appropriate at all).

Someone was quite subtly pointing this out, that's all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum”

Exactly.

Equating the emotions involved in a TV Dance show to those displayed by people with very ill relatives is disgusting, quite frankly.
coppertop1
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by primer:
“i was surprised to find you appear to work in some sort of hospital / hospice setting with the seriously and terminally ill.

but thank you for bringing those very special moments here to illustrate your point about jay. is he poorly do we know?”

No I don't work in hospital or a hospice , no Jay obviously is not ill. However I can see that this programme over and over again has made seasoned performers into quivering messes of nerves. Daniel O Donald a veteran performer was practically paralysed by fear which ruin the whole experience for him.
erin_p
26-10-2015
I did noticed the difference in them...less touchy feely and much more professional from Aliona.
edy10
26-10-2015
Dammed if you do, Dammed if you don't. I knew this thread was coming. ...especially after week 4.

Some of the posts in this thread were utterly condescending to other posters. I like to be forthright so I'll say what I think. Yes op you're right, the dynamic was certainly interesting this week compared to others (and no I don't think the chemistry is gone like some fms said. ...a chemistry like that just doesn't come and go at will ) but after the very publicized rumours, I don't blame them one bit for toning it down.
The good news is that for once I didnt see the rumours mentioned that much 👍👍👍. The only things I saw on social media ( twitter, facebook....) were people remarking that they're obviously trying to disprove the rumours

Abbey and Aljaz were in the papers every week/almost every day for those kinds of rumours. ..people were convinced that they were going to elope after the show .....I love how the rumours didn't fazed them ( didn't change their behavior ) and they continued to just have a great camaraderie/partnership . Aliona and Jay should do the same because going out of your way to show that there's nothing sadly fuel even more rumours. And this is my last post on this thread.
coppertop1
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Mr Cellophane:
“This response is offensive, but there is a valid point in there, in that it is entirely inappropriate (and probably intentionally misleading) to compare a bereavement situation with the behaviour of 2 people in a reality show.”

Ah now this is where if I cared to I could expound endlessly on the fact that people find any discussion at all about death and dying offensive and inappropriate and has to be hidden I away and not talked about............

Despite the fact that everyone does die.


Also I wasn't only speaking about death and dying.

But I won't.


My point was in moments of heightened tension of which there are many in life which are all valid, birth, death , passing exams , failing exams, dancing well or badly in front of millions, people behave in ways that they would not normally do so. When mental boundaries are lowered so are physical and there is absolutely nothing sexual about it at all.

It seems to me that those who don't understand this have led very bland lives, never hitting the high or low points, and those who can only think of physical touch in terms of sexuality know very little about the reality of touch.

Quite honestly the fact that a pair on a dance show touched one another and people started posting about a sexual relationship is the entirely inappropriate and intentionally misleading posting on here .

It would all be more believable if the posters promoting this view were not all very vocal in their support of other contestants.

And to repeat my point again, Aliona is recently married, surely to speculate publicly on here about their being any sexual tension between her and Jay is disrespectful in the extreme, hurtful and I hope that non of this should have a detrimental effect on her marriage, all to try and make A N OTHER contestant seem less popular.

I find that offensive in the extreme.
coppertop1
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by changa:
“Exactly.

Equating the emotions involved in a TV Dance show to those displayed by people with very ill relatives is disgusting, quite frankly.”

Again sadly one day you will understand the point.

I will leave it here....

I think the disgusting thing is the fact that this thread even exists.
katt
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Ah now this is where if I cared to I could expound endlessly on the fact that people find any discussion at all about death and dying offensive and inappropriate and has to be hidden I away and not talked about............

Despite the fact that everyone does die.


Also I wasn't only speaking about death and dying.

But I won't.


My point was in moments of heightened tension of which there are many in life which are all valid, birth, death , passing exams , failing exams, dancing well or badly in front of millions, people behave in ways that they would not normally do so. When mental boundaries are lowered so are physical and there is absolutely nothing sexual about it at all.

It seems to me that those who don't understand this have led very bland lives, never hitting the high or low points, and those who can only think of physical touch in terms of sexuality know very little about the reality of touch.

Quite honestly the fact that a pair on a dance show touched one another and people started posting about a sexual relationship is the entirely inappropriate and intentionally misleading posting on here .

It would all be more believable if the posters promoting this view were not all very vocal in their support of other contestants.

And to repeat my point again, Aliona is recently married, surely to speculate publicly on here about their being any sexual tension between her and Jay is disrespectful in the extreme, hurtful and I hope that non of this should have a detrimental effect on her marriage, all to try and make A N OTHER contestant seem less popular.

I find that offensive in the extreme.”

applauds loudly and pats coppertop1 on the back

*exits thread*
kittymd
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Again sadly one day you will understand the point.

I will leave it here....

I think the disgusting thing is the fact that this thread even exists.”


I don't post on here much although I always enjoy the threads.

This post started off as I am genuinely interested in human nature and I am genuinely interested in Jay and Aliona. Other people's views are always of interest.

So how exactly has a post about a light entertainment programme spiralled into a slanging match? Seriously.

There should be a thread about why threads do this. A meta thread if you will.

I might start it.......
Maccadanny
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“You live in their house then, I presume?”

No, next door, but i have been known to hold a glass to the wall.
Fred.
26-10-2015
Harry Judd described Aliona as a mixture of Yoda and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In the early weeks Jay needed a lot of support through nerves and fear of failure - Aliona was the supportive Yoda.

Now Jay's settling into it, Aliona can be more like Arnold to push him and less cuddly Yoda.

Don't think Jay is putting on a 'nervous' act - if he was that good an actor he'd not have criticism about projecting his personality from the judges. Even Claudia treats him as a pet, and she's quick enough to see if it was an act.

Jay says he will miss Ainsley's hugs - should we start a scandalous thread about that?
changa
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Again sadly one day you will understand the point.

I will leave it here....

I think the disgusting thing is the fact that this thread even exists.”

Perspective. Get some.
kittymd
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Fred.:
“Harry Judd described Aliona as a mixture of Yoda and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In the early weeks Jay needed a lot of support through nerves and fear of failure - Aliona was the supportive Yoda.

Now Jay's settling into it, Aliona can be more like Arnold to push him and less cuddly Yoda.

Don't think Jay is putting on a 'nervous' act - if he was that good an actor he'd not have criticism about projecting his personality from the judges. Even Claudia treats him as a pet, and she's quick enough to see if it was an act.

Jay says he will miss Ainsley's hugs - should we start a scandalous thread about that? ”

Love this. Wise he is.
yellowlabbie
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“Apparently he is .Or something . In the video she is walking around leading him by the hand . He is 25 fgs . They aren't even in a crowded throng , just the dancers and staff milling around . Yet she is clutching his hand like he's a toddler and they are about to cross a busy road . Next she'll have him on leading reins . Enough to make you boke .

Toward the end , behind jeremy and karen talking to camera .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/strictlyc...a-95b51596bb14”

Thanks for that vid, I am also upset that Ainsley and Natalie have gone

That holding his hand and leading him around. Looks dodgy to me
IvanIV
26-10-2015
He's her ticket to win the 2nd trophy, she just does not want him to run away or something
yellowlabbie
26-10-2015
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tabithakitten
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“He's her ticket to win the 2nd trophy, she just does not want him to run away or something ”

Now that makes sense.

We're with you Aliona. Just keep the shackles hidden when the cameras are on you. You know how people talk...
Heatherbell
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Again sadly one day you will understand the point.

I will leave it here....

I think the disgusting thing is the fact that this thread even exists.”

The thread is simply speculation on whether two young people on a dance show fancy each other or not . There was nothing wrong with it until you brought death into it . Hopefully that's the end of it .

I found it odd that they do the "don't get too touchy-feely" thing on the main show , then as soon as they think the cameras are off them it's hand holding and whispering together again while others round them mingle in groups . If there truly is nothing there they should just say "Oh give over you lot, we're just close is all " laugh it off and continue as before . Trying to tamp it down fuels the flames .
Lou_Black
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“The thread is simply speculation on whether two young people on a dance show fancy each other or not . There was nothing wrong with it until you brought death into it . Hopefully that's the end of it .

I found it odd that they do the "don't get too touchy-feely" thing on the main show , then as soon as they think the cameras are off them it's hand holding and whispering together again while others round them mingle in groups . If there truly is nothing there they should just say "Oh give over you lot, we're just close is all " laugh it off and continue as before . Trying to tamp it down fuels the flames .”



Why are people getting so prissy about mentioning death? Unfortunately it is a fact of life (excuse the pun). I don't understand why it's perfectly acceptable the speculate on whether a married woman is having sex with a younger single man but a perfectly acceptable analogy of how people show affection and caring is greeted with howls of outrage.
quique
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by coppertop1:
“Ah now this is where if I cared to I could expound endlessly on the fact that people find any discussion at all about death and dying offensive and inappropriate and has to be hidden I away and not talked about............

Despite the fact that everyone does die.


Also I wasn't only speaking about death and dying.

But I won't.


My point was in moments of heightened tension of which there are many in life which are all valid, birth, death , passing exams , failing exams, dancing well or badly in front of millions, people behave in ways that they would not normally do so. When mental boundaries are lowered so are physical and there is absolutely nothing sexual about it at all.

It seems to me that those who don't understand this have led very bland lives, never hitting the high or low points, and those who can only think of physical touch in terms of sexuality know very little about the reality of touch.

Quite honestly the fact that a pair on a dance show touched one another and people started posting about a sexual relationship is the entirely inappropriate and intentionally misleading posting on here .

It would all be more believable if the posters promoting this view were not all very vocal in their support of other contestants.

And to repeat my point again, Aliona is recently married, surely to speculate publicly on here about their being any sexual tension between her and Jay is disrespectful in the extreme, hurtful and I hope that non of this should have a detrimental effect on her marriage, all to try and make A N OTHER contestant seem less popular.

I find that offensive in the extreme.”

I can't see how it is disrespectful to speculate about any sexual tension between the two of them when they put themselves in a position where people are bound to make speculations. Sure, after all the remarkable and extra ordinary closeness they've shown before; Jay and Aliona are now "prim and proper" on camera; but then, boom! they get filmed holding hands in the back ground! I personally don't find it disrespectful to post what their PDsA suggest to me.

Only Aliona Vilani knows whether all these speculations surrounding her and Jay McGuinnes are truly hurtful. For all we know, she's enjoying the extra publicity.
BMLisa
26-10-2015
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Heatherbell
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by quique:
“I can't see how it is disrespectful to speculate about any sexual tension between the two of them when they put themselves in a position where people are bound to make speculations. Sure, after all the remarkable and extra ordinary closeness they've shown before; Jay and Aliona are now "prim and proper" on camera; but then, boom! they get filmed holding hands in the back ground! I personally don't find it disrespectful to post what their PDsA suggest to me.

Only Aliona Vilani knows whether all these speculations surrounding her and Jay McGuinnes are truly hurtful. For all we know, she's enjoying the extra publicity.”

Maybe they both are .
shrinkingviolet
26-10-2015
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Why are people getting so prissy about mentioning death? Unfortunately it is a fact of life (excuse the pun). I don't understand why it's perfectly acceptable the speculate on whether a married woman is having sex with a younger single man but a perfectly acceptable analogy of how people show affection and caring is greeted with howls of outrage.”

Because it doesn't fit in with the sordidness of it all, I guess.

The fact that this thread was a nudge nudge wink wink thread because they *weren't* overly affectionate has now turned into a nudge nudge wink wink thread because actually, they were acting the same way only BTS in front of her hubby this time says a lot.

I think some want the gossip, others want a reason to undermine them and some are just trying to stir it up. I know it's the nature of the beast to want a showmance and the drama of it all, but every year people go reaching for it.
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