Good point about the metahumans suddenly appearing in Supergirl as to me it would seem a missed opportunity to not merge the universes because of Barry actions in the Flash season 2 finale

Otherwise CW will have to think of a reason for metahumans suddenly turning up in Supergirl and also have to think of a reason for a crossover everytime it happens between Supergirl and Flash,Arrow and Legends Of Tomorrow

Also I think a lot of fans will disappointed if something similar to Flashpoint doesn't happen!

I must be the only person who thinks that Superman coming into Supergirl for guest appearances is a terrible idea as it may boost the ratings but it will take away from Supergirl/Kara as a character as it will keep that constant association with her being his cousin!

I think of it in the same way that Flash appears in Arrow. They're all in the same universe, but they each have their own cities (rather than the planet - like Marvel) to protect.

There are countless times Barry could have saved the day in Arrow, but he never shows up. Instead, Ollie and team need to figure it all out and deal with it. Same will apply to Kara. Whilst Clark will be around, he's not always going to be avaliable.

It doesn't necessarily make sense, especially with Barry who should be able to run to Star City with hours to spare, but the Arrow/Supergirl shows would become quite pointless if we had to continually rely on Barry & Superman to save the day.

I've never thought about it in that way with Flash and Arrow but then I guess I just accept them as separate shows until the crossovers/team ups just like the comics

I guess the same logic could go for the rest of comic book films as well be they either Marvel or DC if they go that way but then to me it's just a film

Although I actually meant in the Kara/Clark situation in that nobody cares about Supergirl as a hero as Superman is the character that most of the fans want to see so if he keeps appearing in Supergirl then Supergirl will become a minor character in her own show!

I think the Flash show should address why he doesn't keep zooming to neighbouring states to save people. IIRC they've shown him zipping away to bring back onions from France and Pizza from 300 miles away (ish) so we know he COULD help out in those other states. Maybe the show is hoping the audience just doesn't think about that, but I'd really like to see an ep where he tries to save EVERYONE and pushes himself too darn hard and almost dies through exhaustion. We can then see him learn the lesson that we've seen Superman and Daredevil learn that they CAN'T save everyone and they need to "take some me time" or they'll burn out - specifically thinking of that bit in the Daredevil movie where he is shown to sleep in a sound suppressing tank.

That's exactly what I do. Think of them as separate shows unless there's a crossover event. There'd be too many inconsistencies and questions otherwise, such as why the Time Wraiths aren't after Rip and his team.


If it was in a reoccuring role, then yeah, I guess so, but I expect Clark/Superman to show up only once or twice per season going forward. They can't have the Supergirl show and not have Superman around, because of the characters. You're never going to get one without the other.


Do we really need an explanation though? For every single time that Barry could be saving Ollie and team, or jumping to the future/past to save Rip and team? I think too much of an explanation would ruin the stories on the other shows. We can't keep asking "where's Barry?" or "Give Barry a call." Think back to the episode where Team Arrow was getting beaten by Darkh, Barry swooped in and resuced them all, yet didn't actually take care of Darkh. Had Barry dealt with him, the remaining episodes of Arrow would have been quite crap (not that they were overly brilliant anyway).

Flash 525 I still think that once Superman appears in a few episodes then it start the fans wanting him to appear in Supergirl more and more until he becomes a regular character in it!

I also think that Superman is a cinema DC character who is already in the films so why do they need to cast another one for a guest appearance in Supergirl

I know he has done tv before but I still think he is a big screen character

It also makes DC policy on TV/Cinema make even less sense as why pull Suicide Squad and Harley Quinn from Arrow but allow Superman in Supergirl?

Two reasons:
1. Cost.
2. Cavill has turned out to be a bit of a dud.
3. (bonus reason) The movies clearly exist in a completely different universe.

Basically, after their continuous run of failure with big screen Superman, this is an easy and cost effective way to try out a different take on the character, and at the same time give the Supergirl show a little bit of a boost. Win-win.


WB/DC are in a state of panic at the moment. The failure of Batfleck vs Emo-man has already resulted in a lot of behind-the-scenes shake-ups, and if Suicide Squad is a miss as well, the whole DC movie strategy could be in ruins. As such, I think when the decision to limit certain characters' availabilty was made, they were very much still going by the original WB/DC play book.

Your reason 3 was the point that I've been constantly trying to put across as WB/DC have said before that the TV and Films are in separate universe so that to me makes sense if you have different superheroes in each universe!

However WB/DC have messed it up so much already by doing a Flash film after the TV show has already been running for two seasons, pulling both Suicide Squad and Harley Quinn from Arrow to use them in the Suicide Squad film and finally now bringing Superman into Supergirl

It seems like WB/DC don't know what they are doing as it seems to be whatever suits them at the time especially with the season finale of Legends Of Tomorrow which seems to point another way in this universe

Although the fact is at the moment Supergirl is in a different universe to Arrow,Flash and Legends Of Tomorrow until they find the way to move Supergirl into the same universe as those shows in the second season of Supergirl

It's so confusing with the way WB/DC have it set up now that they shouldn't make it complicated by introducing Superman into the show as soon then we will get Batman on Arrow!

It's possible that this could happen, but then that's no different from Jay Garrick and Wally West becoming regulars in the Flash TV show.


The Superman on the cinema screen is set in an entierly different universe. Besides Cavil would be too expensive for the budget of a tv show.


Quite simply, the executives at DC are morons. They've been adamant about keeping some of their characters on one screen or the other, thus the reason they killed off Deadshot and Amanda from their tv shows, and the reason why they've restricted the use of Deathstroke moving forward; they're all apparently invested in cinematic projects. There was a time when the big names wouldn't dare connect with their tv series. I can only theorize that the DC executives have realized how their BvS film didn't come out quite as they'd hoped, so they're now re-evaluating their position.

not_the_doctor has pretty much already said this, but yeah, that's what it's about. DC executives attempted to have two very different universe, one with their big names, and one with their small. The big name project is looking a little gloomy at the moment, whereas their small screen project (aside from some shoddy writing) is looking quite bright.


It does make sense, yes, but WB/DC don't make sense.


Had WB/DC got their act together two years ago, the Flash tv series would never have happened; they'd have saved the character for the big screen. The Flash tv series would likely have been based on another character, maybe even another (lesser known) Flash.


Considering the current storyline with the Flash (and how Season 2 ended) I think Supergirl (and Superman) will be on Earth 1 quicker than we know.


I don't think logic is strong where these guys are concerned. That said, if Superman can now appear in Supergirl, it shouldn't be long before we see Batman in an episode of Arrow.

I think that's very unlikely. Partly because there's no real need for it, but Arrow has essentially been set up as the TV universe's Batman. It could really only undermine the character to bring in the real Batman. Supergirl was already in trouble, and could only benefit from Superman's appearance. Most people expected it to happen at some point, it just happened sooner than I think anyone would have predicted.

But as confused and illogical as DC's policies seem, I can really only see this being a good thing. Superman is in dire need of a fix, and WB have dug themselves into a hole with the movie version, where they can't really course correct at this point. By creating a new "guest star" Superman on TV, they can try a completely different take on the character without having to commit to a whole new show, supporting cast, etc.

Whilst it is true (for the most part) that Arrow has acted as the replacement for Batman (especially his dealings with Ra), but we do know that Batman (or at the very least, Bruce Wayne) exists in this universe per the news article that Eobard Thawne had with him on that tablet with Gideon.

It's possible that once Arrow concludes Season 5 (and the flashbacks) they'll do one of two things, they'll either feature flashbacks of a new character (presumably one that is introduced in Season 5) or they'll start doing a couple of Flash forwards. If the latter, they can quite easily incorporate Oliver Queen meeting Bruce Wayne, and in turn feature Batman that way.

If Superman is appearing on Supergirl (yes it was a doomed show, but I think that was more to do with the writing and location) then there's still potential for Batman to appear on Arrow, Flash or Legends. Come to think of it, once Legends finds it's footing a little more (cause yeah, it's still in that process) a story where Bruce Wayne attempts to save his parents from untimely death using the Wave Rider only to be talked down by Rip or someone else might be an interesting theme.

Anything is possible, but I think WB/DC are still going to be too protective about Batman to put him on TV. It's a very different story with Superman.

Interesting, they're casting Tyler Hoechlin (of TeenWolf fame) as Superman apparently.

http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2016/06...girls-superman

Hrrrmmm... not impressed.

me either he will have to get rid of that gorgeous facial hair, I wont cope

I'm glad they've finally chosen a Superman for the Supergirl show.

Grant Gustin's Tweet about Tyler playing Superman https://twitter.com/grantgust/status/743494091070013440
and Tyler's Tweet about playing Superman https://twitter.com/TylerL_Hoechlin/...01925392785408

More cast news for Season 2:

I was just coming to post this, it's a great casting choice.

Is it, though? This kind of stunt casting might be fun for established fans, but casting has been one of the show's real problems so far. For instance, as much as I like Helen Slater, she really is a truly terrible actress who was cast purely because she once played Supergirl, and I don't think the lady in the spoiler box is particularly well known for her acting skills either.

And getting back to their choice for Superman, I wonder if they're even going to try to explain why he's suddenly only a few years older than Supergirl. He was already an adult, and firmly established as Superman, when she came to Earth at age... 12-ish?

It worked well in the flash with Henry Allen being played by the same guy who played the Flash in a (now ancient) tv series.


Has his age been established in the show though? He could simply look young(er) for his age.

I don't think its a stunt casting at all, it's a great choice with a recognised actress who already has a big DC Comics presence.

We don't know what age this interpretation of Clark Kent was when Kara landed, he could have been 18 to her 14 and he'd be considered an adult.

YAY. Can't wait. I hope they imply she's the ex Wonder Woman.

/dreams

Well, as mentioned above, in Flash, John Wesley Shipp (who played the Flash in an old tv series), again as Jay Garrick in this new series. It's possible that Lynda Carter could actually play Wonder Woman (or someone from the Amazonian Tribe).

I didn't know that. A big character to bring on screen though, however I suppose if the show producers are doing their own version of the Justice League, it stands to reason why that character would have appearances.