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Old 12-10-2016, 14:34
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I enjoyed it so much more then second time around.

But the whole Kara / James thing makes no sense. They were totally into it 10 minutes in, and then suddenly James confronts her and they're just friends again.

Makes. No. Sense. At. All
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Old 12-10-2016, 14:57
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It's been suggested that, after having their first proper smooch, they just realised they weren't compatible, the spark just wasn't there. Or rather Kara realised that, James was just all "darn it, I gave up that Lane sister for nuttin, oh bugger".
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Old 12-10-2016, 15:40
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_(DC_Comics)

It's actually a neat nod as he was re-introduced in the 60's in a story line that also introduced Cadmus (which looks like it is going to be a big part of S2).

And the name of the title this occurred in - Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen (yes this was an actual comic).
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Old 12-10-2016, 17:29
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Have to agree. Thought they'd use flashpoint to bring kara to the main universe but that seems to be all done now and nothing's changed. Curious how they are going to bring them a together now or is it going to be totally forgot about and just be Barry taking Oli on a trip through time and space and just happens upon Kara again?
It's still early days yet, and there was a reference on the latest Flash episode of the world being prepared for something, so the crisis storyline could still potentially happen.
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Old 12-10-2016, 17:32
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It's been suggested that, after having their first proper smooch, they just realised they weren't compatible, the spark just wasn't there. Or rather Kara realised that, James was just all "darn it, I gave up that Lane sister for nuttin, oh bugger".
The thing is, it shouldn't have to be suggested - they should have explained it outright.

And I felt the whole thing was just pants.
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Old 13-10-2016, 19:25
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That was the perfect way to use Superman in a Supergirl episode imho. Tyler Hoechlin really was perfect as Clark Kent and his interactions with everyone were completely on point.

His intro scene, which I'd seen in the season trailer, was superbly done and he just went on to integrate really well. I never felt like he was taking anything away from Kara/Supergirl.

Also loving the incarnation of Superman on the small screen, much more the Man of Hope than the Man of being an utter dick the movies have made him recently. He really is channeling the Christopher Reeve version and I love it. And all the Easter Eggs they chucked in - Ms Tessmacher!

Katie McGrath needs to work on her accent a bit, she slipped a couple of times but, overall I think she's going to be a great addition to the Supergirl stable as Lena Luthor and I'm really pleased to see her having a career in the States.

The plot was an interesting one with laying down a few ongoing threads, Cadmus, Jeremiah's rescue, J'onn and Superman's prior history, the Luthors etc.

Loved the scenes with Cat and Clark and with Cat and Kara. Calista Flockhart has been a triumph in this role for the show and she turns in a top performance every time. Hope she's around more than she's not with her switching to guest star.

Happy the Kara/James thing is over, it really didn't work because they sadly had sod all chemistry. James can get back with Lucy Lane and give Kara the new "Krypton" guy (which is probably what they're gearing up to I suspect).
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All in all a thoroughly enjoyable return.

As for Flashpoint affecting all the other universes. I suspect that's going to happen in the big 4-parter and the affects will be in the second half of the season of each show not at the beginning now.

Oh and on a personal note, Kara's speech to Cat about why she wanted to be a reporter is the very thing which drove me to become one when I was 18, I was very teary at that bit
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Old 13-10-2016, 19:43
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All in all a thoroughly enjoyable return.

As for Flashpoint affecting all the other universes. I suspect that's going to happen in the big 4-parter and the affects will be in the second half of the season of each show not at the beginning now.
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See I thought that but then I thought why would they already include flash in the episode titles and speech, they would normally change that when the event occurs like they change Barrys and Olivers voice overs all the time
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Old 13-10-2016, 19:50
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See I thought that but then I thought why would they already include flash in the episode titles and speech, they would normally change that when the event occurs like they change Barrys and Olivers voice overs all the time
I meant more how it affects the other shows rather than how it's affecting The Flash. We know it's affecting Barry and his immediate world but the knock on for the wider Arrow universe is going to be slower I'd think.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:05
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I meant more how it affects the other shows rather than how it's affecting The Flash. We know it's affecting Barry and his immediate world but the knock on for the wider Arrow universe is going to be slower I'd think.
don't think I explained that well, people are saying about Supergirls world being on a different earth (which it was last season for definite) and they are expecting that to change over the 4 part episode. No idea if that is the case.

But obviously on the supergirl intro now we have the "When I was a child my world ended....I have friends and I have allies (here we see Flash)" I just wouldn't expect him to be there if they were not already on the same earth. As they always change Arrow and Flash intros as they go along)

Maybe that makes no sense?

Time Travel does my head in, you think I would be better at it the amount of timey wimey shows I watch.

Anyhow have to agree Tyler was fantastic loving his Clark Kent so far and could quite happily watch him in numerous episodes as long as it is well handled.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:09
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Think you've misunderstood what I meant, people are saying about Supergirls world being on a different earth (which it was last season for definite) and they are expecting that to change over the 4 part episode. No idea if that is the case.

But obviously on the supergirl intro now we have the "When I was a child my world ended....I have friends and I have allies (here we see Flash)" I just wouldn't expect him to be there if they were not already on the same earth. As they always change Arrow and Flash intros as they go along)

Maybe that makes no sense?

Time Travel does my head in, you think I would be better at it the amount of timey wimey shows I watch.

Anyhow have to agree Tyler was fantastic loving his Clark Kent so far and could quite happily watch him in numerous episodes as long as it is well handled.
Yes we have alternative timelines and alternative realities to contend with.

We haven't reached the point where the realities merge yet.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:10
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But obviously on the supergirl intro now we have the "When I was a child my world ended....I have friends and I have allies (here we see Flash)" I just wouldn't expect him to be there if they were not already on the same earth. As they always change Arrow and Flash intros as they go along)

Maybe that makes no sense?
I get what you're saying, but I think Flash appearing in Kara's intro is just because. I don't know whether the merging of Earth's will take place during/for the crossover event, but I'll be amazed if all the shows aren't existing in the same universe by the wrap of the latest seasons.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:11
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I get what you're saying, but I think Flash appearing in Kara's intro is just because. I don't know whether the merging of Earth's will take place during/for the crossover event, but I'll be amazed if all the shows aren't existing in the same universe by the wrap of the latest seasons.
As far as I'm aware the Flash went back to his universe, so they haven't merged yet. And in the Flash show he has only changed time not reality.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:16
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As far as I'm aware the Flash went back to his universe, so they haven't merged yet.
This I know.
And in the Flash show he has only changed time not reality.
Were Barry is concerned, I wouldn't put it past him to change existence itself.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:19
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As far as I'm aware the Flash went back to his universe, so they haven't merged yet. And in the Flash show he has only changed time not reality.
But isnt that what they have said that that he has gone back into time and created a new reality. So in effect in this one Supergirl could be on this earth if that makes sense?
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:20
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But isnt that what they have said that that he has gone back into time and created a new reality.
Yes sorry I meant a New Earth. As in Earth 1, 2, 3, etc.

It's all so confusing.


E.g. He has changed reality on his earth, but the other Earths are still the same unless their Flash changes their reality.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:23
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Yes sorry I meant a New Earth. As in Earth 1, 2, 3, etc.

It's all so confusing.
I know....but like I say Supergirls titles just got me thinking that she may already be in this reality version of Earth rather than something big occurring...although obviously something big is going to happen in the 4 parter
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:25
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E.g. He has changed reality on his earth, but the other Earths are still the same unless their Flash changes their reality.
I don't think Barry's f-ups effect other Earths, otherwise surely Jay (Daddy Flash) would have said something, or noticed a changed. Likewise, Harrision Wells (Earth 2's) who's due back soon would likely notice a difference or two between Earth's. From what I've seen of the preview, that doesn't look to be the case, so I'm assuming what timeline changes happen on one Earth don't reflect those of another.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:26
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We should ban reality lol and all timey wimey shenanigans on all the other shows except the Flash...though think they should quite them for a while before my head explodes
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:26
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I know....but like I say Supergirls titles just got me thinking that she may already be in this reality version of Earth rather than something big occurring...although obviously something big is going to happen in the 4 parter
I would say unless we have jumped into our Flash's earth, then we are still in Supergirl's Earth and so they haven't merged yet.

When we see the Flash and Supergirl in the titles, it is from their previous encounter, before he went back to his Earth.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:28
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I don't think Barry's f-ups effect other Earths, otherwise surely Jay (Daddy Flash) would have said something, or noticed a changed. Likewise, Harrision Wells (Earth 2's) who's due back soon would likely notice a difference or two between Earth's. From what I've seen of the preview, that doesn't look to be the case, so I'm assuming what timeline changes happen on one Earth don't reflect those of another.
Think that's what he Koantemplation said...just me confusing things
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:29
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I don't think Barry's f-ups effect other Earths, otherwise surely Jay (Daddy Flash) would have said something, or noticed a changed. Likewise, Harrision Wells (Earth 2's) who's due back soon would likely notice a difference or two between Earth's. From what I've seen of the preview, that doesn't look to be the case, so I'm assuming what timeline changes happen on one Earth don't reflect those of another.
Yes I agree that is the way I see how things are affected in the sense of changing reality because of time changes.

A time change on Earth 1 doesn't affect a change on Earth 2, or 3 etc.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:36
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Think that's what he Koantemplation said...just me confusing things
A time change on Earth 1 doesn't affect a change on Earth 2, or 3 etc.
Begs the question though, doesn't it... Yes, another question...

If someone from say, Earth 2 is on Earth 1 when the timeline is altered, what happens to them? Does time change around them? Are they wiped from existence? Are they automatically returned to their origin Earth?
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Old 13-10-2016, 21:56
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don't think I explained that well, people are saying about Supergirls world being on a different earth (which it was last season for definite) and they are expecting that to change over the 4 part episode. No idea if that is the case. .
Ah yes, TPTB have already said, I believe, that
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I know....but like I say Supergirls titles just got me thinking that she may already be in this reality version of Earth rather than something big occurring...although obviously something big is going to happen in the 4 parter
Nope, they're completely different universes at this moment in time or, so far as we, the audience, know at the present viewing point. But if they were the same reality at the moment, then the Venture launch would have been a big thing on Arrow and The Flash as well and it didn't even get a mention

As I explained before, think of it as the Trousers of Time. The Waistband is the starting point - Barry's original Earth-One. As the timeline moves down through the trousers towards the leg, it begins to split so you have, in a conventional pair of trousers, two legs existing in the same place and time but having unique experiences down their leg!

In the present Barry universe, there are 51 other trouser legs and Kara is on so far no-named Earth-(whatever) so her experiences are independent of what's happening down Barry's leg at the moment.
Flashpoint should, and presumably the 4 parter will do so, cause all the Earths to go back to the Waistband of the Trousers and be back to being Earth-One's original timeline and original reality.

However, as I mentioned,
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Old 15-10-2016, 02:03
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Just watched the season premiere, and overall it was a big step up, certainly from last year's pilot, but I would say from most of the first season as well. The sets looked better, particularly the new DEO HQ, and the effects were at times much, much better than we've seen before, even if there were still some dodgy looking sequences here and there.

Tyler Hoechlin was a decent, but not great Superman. I'm still not completely sold on him, particularly if there are plans for him to have his own show, but I guess he did OK as a guest star Superman, who didn't over shadow Supergirl. And it was pretty cool seeing Superman and Supergirl on screen together in live action. But those cape fasteners sure look stupid.

I was surprised how little time were spent on the guy in the Kryptonian pod, considering it was last season's cliffhanger, but I guess the PR people had already sort of deflated the whole thing. Personally I'm not at all in favor of adding more super powered characters to the show, and I'm particularly annoyed with the trend of making every supporting character they don't know what to do with a superhero. Won't spoil it, just in case, but I'm sure everyone knows who I mean.

Happy to see them shut down the horrible Kara / James fauxmance, and moving Wynn to the DEO makes more sense than have him waste his time at Cat Co. The timeline of it all was a little confusing, though. The episode was supposedly set the day after the season finale, but there was no mention of Wynn resigning with Cat Co. And the DEO people's reaction to Superman seemed like he hadn't been to National City for a while, or ever, but his boots were there just the day before, right?
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Old 18-10-2016, 13:23
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Episode 2 was just great. Loads of exciting things going on and some genuinely lovely scenes with Superman.

But
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