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Old 27-10-2015, 21:10
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I actually dislike Robbie more
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Old 27-10-2015, 21:18
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I actually dislike Robbie more
I hate the way he is potrayed as some sort of anti hero who we are supposed to be rooting for but in reality he is just a murderer who stole his brother's girlfriend. Although I find the character of Robbie more detestable too,.
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Old 27-10-2015, 21:23
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Because the actor is shit and despite being horrendous he is shoehorned into every storyline and forced on the viewers
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Old 27-10-2015, 21:39
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Because the actor is shit and despite being horrendous he is shoehorned into every storyline and forced on the viewers
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Worst actor in soap and not even good looking enough to put up with
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Old 27-10-2015, 23:52
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Robbie is technically the worse character but what makes freddie worse is he's a shocking actor. Whereas robbies not bad.
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Old 28-10-2015, 01:09
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Someone could throw up, put it on a plate and the plate of sick would have a better acting range.
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Old 28-10-2015, 01:11
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So everyone here hates Freddie but i dont see any hate for the worst actor in the show which is Nico and she makes Freddie look like Robert De Niro
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Old 28-10-2015, 01:45
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Well it is all subjective but I think it is a combination of things.

Whilst i don't expect my characters to be black and white and soaps to be morality plays, I rather dislike characters who do one bad thing after another but are presented as sympathetic and role models who we are supposed to root for and i think freddie falls into that category. He killed Fraser in colc blood, he set his brother up to take the fall for it, he seduced his brother's fiancee during this time and had previously convinced her to have a termination by saying his brother had walked out on her when he believed he was dead. But, we are supposed to be invested in him and Lindsay, think he deserves happiness with her and it was really mean of Grace and Mercedes to set him up for her 'murder'.

I also, personally, think he is quite badly acted.
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Old 28-10-2015, 01:49
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So everyone here hates Freddie but i dont see any hate for the worst actor in the show which is Nico and she makes Freddie look like Robert De Niro
Well, views on acting is subjective and people have a right to prefer one performance over another.

I don't happen to think Nico is acted very well either but personally I think she is better than Freddie.

Also, Nico is presented as being wrong in a lot of the things she does - we're meant to think she is a bit round the twist and we can understand why and sympathize to a certain extent due to her background and what we've seen her go through with Sienna, Dodger and Patrick in the last two years.
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Old 28-10-2015, 01:54
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I hate the way he is potrayed as some sort of anti hero who we are supposed to be rooting for but in reality he is just a murderer who stole his brother's girlfriend. Although I find the character of Robbie more detestable too,.
That's it for me as well, it is mainly how the character has been written.

He is hardly alone in this, Ste, Sinead, Diane have all, also done dreadful things but I think we're meant to like them and sympathize with them and root for them but they are all at least played by competent, or even good actors which makes it easier to swallow.
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Old 28-10-2015, 01:57
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The character is poorly written and gets away with everything. Then there is the acting. My dad was laughing at the TV the other day at his scene in the water and it was meant to be serious stuff, Robbie is played by a tremendous actor who never lets the cracks show. Also i tried to get my friend to watch it once around the fraser SL and she used Freddie as the example about the old myth Oaks is full of gorgous ppl who cannot act. Basically i think he does Hollyoaks no favours, look how many people were delighted when it just seemed he was gone for good, too good to be true...

When Freddie is doing nice things or day to day things in the garage it is bearable - its this gangster thing and the hardman routine or a dramatic scene, i cannot believe it at all.
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Old 28-10-2015, 02:44
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I don't like Freddie or Robbie.
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Old 28-10-2015, 02:45
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I do also think that he has been very badly written in so much as we have no idea why he decided to get into crime, become violent etc. I'm not sure how accurateit is to real life, but generally in soap we are given some kind of history to explaine nad behaviour - for example in EastEnders Phil witnessed his father hitting his mother and then became the punching bag himself himself to protect her, Grant and Sam as soon as he was old enough. Grant's anger management issues stemmed from his experiences during the Falkland War. Even in Hollyoaks, we have had an explanation for Trevor and Grace due to their fathers being career criminals and not giving them the attention they craved or dying violently.

But Freddie - nothing? Why is he such a ++++ing mess when Joe and Ziggy are basically okay and they've shared the same genes and upbringing? It can't all be down to having been in love with Lindsay and seeing her with Joe surely?

I have the same issue with Mercedes. Why is she such a mess - pathologically unable to keep her knickers on, obsessed with going after her siblings partners, relentless in the pursuit of money and uncaring who she hurts when she and Jacqui were so close in age and shared a heritage. Why is Jacqui basically a decent human being and Mercy not?

As i say, i know that people that share both parents and are brought up together can still be very different people, they aren't clones after all bt usually in Soap we are given some explanation for people being as unrelentingly conscienceless as Freddie or Mercedes in contrast to their siblings and we never have been with them.
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Old 28-10-2015, 04:15
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I actually dislike Robbie more
Neither are great characters but Robbie is at least very well acted.


So everyone here hates Freddie but i dont see any hate for the worst actor in the show which is Nico and she makes Freddie look like Robert De Niro
Loads of people criticise Nico all the time. Maybe you're reading the wrong threads of something. She probably is worse than Freddie but he's pretty terrible, as are Harry and Jason.
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Old 28-10-2015, 04:21
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Loads of people criticise Nico all the time. Maybe you're reading the wrong threads of something. She probably is worse than Freddie but he's pretty terrible, as are Harry and Jason.
Exactly.

There are loads of Nico bashing threads.

Also, two wrongs don't make a right. Because there is an equally bad (or worse) actor than Freddie, those of us that don't like him shouldn't say so?
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Old 28-10-2015, 04:28
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Exactly.

There are loads of Nico bashing threads.

Also, two wrongs don't make a right. Because there is an equally bad (or worse) actor than Freddie, those of us that don't like him shouldn't say so?
Good point. They all deserve criticism, heh. It's a shame there are such hilariously poor actors in the show because there really are some terrific ones too. It seems a waste of the talents of the good actors putting them in scenes with the terrible ones.
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Old 28-10-2015, 04:42
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Yes, there are some terrific actors in Hollyoaks and a lot of more than competent ones. I don't think the ratio is actually any worse than the other Soaps, and arguably better than some.

But unfortunately, a couple of actors in Hollyoaks really do let the side down and perpetuate the myth that looks is all that counts and Charlie Clapham is one of them.
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Old 28-10-2015, 08:05
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He only has one facial expression so its hard to know what he is actually trying to convey:

Happiness -
Sadness -
Fear -
Remorse -
Love -
Anger -
Bewildered -
Mad -
Shocked -
Relieved -
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Old 28-10-2015, 08:09
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I actually like Freddie. Reading Digital Spy I know I am in the extreme minority but I can't help it! The one I can't stand is Jason. I really find him unbearable.
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Old 28-10-2015, 08:22
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I actually like Freddie. Reading Digital Spy I know I am in the extreme minority but I can't help it! The one I can't stand is Jason. I really find him unbearable.
I utterly loathe Jason. Freddie is crap but not utterly torturous to watch like Jason. Possibly the worst character ever to be in the show.
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Old 28-10-2015, 08:28
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I think he's a terrible actor (though by no means the only one in the cast) and I hate the show's moral double standard when it comes to him. We weren't supposed to see Sinead as in the right when she cheated with a family member's partner. We aren't supposed to champion Lindsey for killing Rick or Will, even though like Freddie she did it because she thought they were evil. We aren't supposed to cheer on Sienna and Patrick when they cover up a crime to protect someone in the family. So why does the show tell us all these things are A-OK when Freddie does them?
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Old 28-10-2015, 09:16
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I do also think that he has been very badly written in so much as we have no idea why he decided to get into crime, become violent etc. I'm not sure how accurateit is to real life, but generally in soap we are given some kind of history to explaine nad behaviour - for example in EastEnders Phil witnessed his father hitting his mother and then became the punching bag himself himself to protect her, Grant and Sam as soon as he was old enough. Grant's anger management issues stemmed from his experiences during the Falkland War. Even in Hollyoaks, we have had an explanation for Trevor and Grace due to their fathers being career criminals and not giving them the attention they craved or dying violently.

But Freddie - nothing? Why is he such a ++++ing mess when Joe and Ziggy are basically okay and they've shared the same genes and upbringing? It can't all be down to having been in love with Lindsay and seeing her with Joe surely?

I have the same issue with Mercedes. Why is she such a mess - pathologically unable to keep her knickers on, obsessed with going after her siblings partners, relentless in the pursuit of money and uncaring who she hurts when she and Jacqui were so close in age and shared a heritage. Why is Jacqui basically a decent human being and Mercy not?

As i say, i know that people that share both parents and are brought up together can still be very different people, they aren't clones after all bt usually in Soap we are given some explanation for people being as unrelentingly conscienceless as Freddie or Mercedes in contrast to their siblings and we never have been with them.
This.

Freddie and Lindsey is made out to be some romantic love story, we were supposed to feel for them when he got shot during the hospital siege and are we really supposed to believe that the whole time Joe and Lindsey were together Freddie was after her? It also doesn't help that CC is an awful actor but the whole Roscoe family (apart from Joe) are terrible anyway.
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Old 28-10-2015, 09:48
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I also agree about Jason too and the whole PC man over night made it worse and awarded him with unbelievable writing to top it off. I was getting excited at one point last week thinking the show was moving forward with Robbie, Ziggy and Joe as the remaning Roscoes. Think it would have been for the best.
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Old 28-10-2015, 09:54
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Like other posters, I would say it's because he's been shoehorned into too many story lines and when the acting is weak that's never gonna be a good thing.

The stuff with Lindsey was the worst.
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Old 28-10-2015, 09:58
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I have to say I get the impression that at least some of the Freddie-hate is because of dislike of Kirkwood, particularly his obvious favouritism towards Freddie and pandering to a certain fanbase (mainly young teenagers on Twitter) who love Freddie. I try to be cautious of criticising the Twitter fanbase as I don't think it fair to pile on kids for liking something (see how awful some of the media was in reporting fans' reaction to Zayn Malik leaving One Direction) but the criticism of Kirkwood is IMO entirely justified
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