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21 won Adele seven Grammy Awards in 2012 and 2013 including Album, Song and Record of the Year. Madonna has won seven Grammy Awards in 32 years, but none of them include Album or Record of the Year. She has never received a nomination for Song of the Year. Like Adele, Whitney Houston won Album and Record of the Year. Wikipedia has both Adele and Madonna listed under the best-selling digital singles of all time. Rolling in the Deep has sold 14 million copies and Hung Up, Madonna's highest selling single, has sold nine million copies worldwide. Madonna still hasn't been nominated for an Oscar despite the fact that some of her songs were eligible for nominations. I'll Remember, Who's That Girl, This Used to Be My Playground and Bond theme Die Another Day all missed out on nominations. Adele's Bond theme won an Oscar in 2013 whereas Madonna's received a Razzie nomination. Just sayin'. Just sayin. |
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Summerheart, you will take any chance you can get to trash Madonna. Adele Is currently one of the biggest stars in the world. Madonna is a legend after 30 years in the business. THIRTY YEARS.
You aren't takign into account contemporary ways we buy and listen to music. Using youtube views really? So say if we had You Tube at the time Madonna was releasing Like A Prayer, you don't think that would have broken records? Btw how many "youtube" clicks did the third single from Celien Dion or Barbra Streisands album get?? Oh wait. You will use any excuse to bash madonna and no one other than you knwos why. Very bitter, sad person. However, none of this will change the simple fact, that Madonna remains not only the best selling female artist of all time, but the best selling grossing solo tour of all time as well as being a cultural icon. Stop being so vindictive. Life is not all that bad. They did the amazing feat of occupying all top 5 positions on the US billboard hot 100 when they went big. But even then that's not really what they are remembered for as they were just really a very good boy band who then turned into musical geniuses and cultural icons. |
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Well Adele is certainly no Beatles. Did Sgt Pepper appeal to middle class grannies in the 60's ?
I think the way it works now and why Adele is so popular is that ironically now since album sales are so low a lot of interesting artists are just not getting into the industry and the hype factor will focus on a very few artists who produce MOR granny friendly tunes. Adele is this artist. The instant hype of the internet can do this faster than was ever possible in the past. She is a kind of Dido but has a much more powerful voice but her music is not that interesting so I don't think it will fully stand the test of time. Not in the same way as Kate Bush who did actually do 'out of the park' off the wall interesting stuff which is still remembered to this day. Madonna is a different kettle of fish and while she isn't my cup of tea she is interesting as she has been so successful with do many different styles and genres over the years. In this sense Adele does seem a one trick pony. Finally I think she has to owe her success to Amy Winehouse, who she is a poor mans version of. Amy may not have been as technically good as Adele but her music seem so much more raw fresh and relevant and hard hitting. I think we will still be looking back on Amy's back to black long after Adele has hung up her MOR microphone. ![]() I love The Beatles but Sgt P is no masterpiece, it's closer to how keith Richards described it - a "mish mash of rubbish". Of course Adele is no Beatles, then again neither has she recorded anything as embarrassing as 'when im 64' or as rubbish as 'Good morning good morning'. However i wasn't comparing their relative musical merits which is why i carefully put in "in sales that is",. I'm sorry that passed you by
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yeah that's right it's 30m grannies. They sit on the internet 24 hrs a day do those grannies that's all they do iv'e seen em
![]() I love The Beatles but Sgt P is no masterpiece, it's closer to how keith Richards described it - a "mish mash of rubbish". Of course Adele is no Beatles, then again neither has she recorded anything as embarrassing as 'when im 64' or as rubbish as 'Good morning good morning'. However i wasn't comparing their relative musical merits which is why i carefully put in "in sales that is",. I'm sorry that passed you by ![]() The Beatles comparison isn't really helpful. You may not think Sgt Pepper is a masterpiece, many of us think differently on that. Either way the importance and influence of Sgt Pepper isn't related simply to its sales. |
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What exactly is the influence of Sgt Pepper? It's kinda fallen out of favour in recent years with Rubber Soul, Abbey Road and especially Revolver receiving more praise and analysis these days - and rightly so in my opinion.
And I don't think Adele's influence is simply down to sales either. |
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What exactly is the influence of Sgt Pepper? It's kinda fallen out of favour in recent years with Rubber Soul, Abbey Road and especially Revolver receiving more praise and analysis these days - and rightly so in my opinion.
And I don't think Adele's influence is simply down to sales either. What is Adele's influence outside of outlandish sales? The music is largely retro in style and tone, there is some excellent personal lyricism but sonically there is nothing very innovative. I would even suggest that Amy Winehouse had more influence in terms of the confessional nature of her music. I think Adele's legacy may be dependent on how '21' is regarded in 15/20 years. |
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Summerheart, you will take any chance you can get to trash Madonna. Adele Is currently one of the biggest stars in the world. Madonna is a legend after 30 years in the business. THIRTY YEARS.
You aren't takign into account contemporary ways we buy and listen to music. Using youtube views really? So say if we had You Tube at the time Madonna was releasing Like A Prayer, you don't think that would have broken records? Btw how many "youtube" clicks did the third single from Celien Dion or Barbra Streisands album get?? Oh wait. You will use any excuse to bash madonna and no one other than you knwos why. Very bitter, sad person. However, none of this will change the simple fact, that Madonna remains not only the best selling female artist of all time, but the best selling grossing solo tour of all time as well as being a cultural icon. Stop being so vindictive. Life is not all that bad. |
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Adele is completely different from Kylie and Madonna. Kylie and Madonna are performers and singers they like to put on a show - sing, dance, the whole 9 yards. Adele is there purely to sing, nothing more.
And Adele's success is hardly comparable to a moderately successful boyband who haven't been relevant for almost 20 years. Or one hit wonder like Tina Arena who again hasn't been successful in a long time. Adele has already eclipsed their sales in 3 years compared to their 30-20 year time span. I do think Adele will be around for a long time, even if it's just legacy and tours like Kylie and Madonna, she has made history. Oh and I think Kylie and Madonna still have long careers ahead of them, they may not be topping the charts but they still doing damn good for their ages (that not a criticism btw) with all the competition against the likes of Katy Perry etc. |
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Ironic comment given your comments regarding Adele's weight in the other thread populated by butt hurt stans of artists who's album selling days were many years ago.
Anyways, it was making a light hearted joke. Unlike that poster Summerheart, you won;t find me on a weekly basis trying to find an angle to attack Adele or discect her sales or try and persuade others why she is or isn't relevant. I actually am pleased that Adele is stopping absolute crap liek bieber and Drake top the charts. It's awesome. Also, the rather snide comment about other artists sales means you can just shut up about people judging, otherwise, you look like a hypocrite... |
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I thought you were about right in showing astonishment at Adele's sales figures. There is a question about why such sales are astonishing though. I'm not sure what your answer to that is.
The Beatles comparison isn't really helpful. You may not think Sgt Pepper is a masterpiece, many of us think differently on that. Either way the importance and influence of Sgt Pepper isn't related simply to its sales. Obviously there's no musical comparison with The Beatles, for one thing ground can only be broken once. |
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Sgt Pepper is influential for a number of reasons: the first fully developed concept/thematic album; the multicultural influences; the use of the studio as instrument; the structuring and extending of songs; but most importantly, it introduces the idea of the album as a work of art. 'Pet Sounds' is a competitor to be fair.
What is Adele's influence outside of outlandish sales? The music is largely retro in style and tone, there is some excellent personal lyricism but sonically there is nothing very innovative. I would even suggest that Amy Winehouse had more influence in terms of the confessional nature of her music. I think Adele's legacy may be dependent on how '21' is regarded in 15/20 years. With regards to Adele's influence, we've already seen new 'copycat' acts finding success by trying to get in on her corner of the market - Sam Smith, Emeli Sandé etc. One could also argue that she's opened the door for a new wave of British success in the US. And just the fact that she's the antithesis of a lot of the image-obsessed, controversy manufacturing, sex-selling pop divas is a big deal, putting actual vocal talent back at the centre of attention. Quote:
i didn't make a comparison with The Beatles, that was the poster who responded to my post who failed to see the point of it. Which was that as she's on the way to having possibly the biggest selling studio album of all time in the UK, and showing no signs of running out of steam the idea that she's this season's Dido or N Jones is getting more ludicrous everytime it's made.
Obviously there's no musical comparison with The Beatles, for one thing ground can only be broken once. |
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I'm not sure that Sgt Pepper does all the things you say it does, certainly not first. Like you said, Pet Sounds rivals it in terms of an album as a work of art and the innovative use of sound. I would also suggest that Dylan was making albums as works of art too, or at least singular bodies of work. The multicultural influences were already coming into the Beatles work with Revolver and the Stones released Paint It Black in 1967 as well. There's also serious discussion over what the first concept album actually is.
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With regards to Adele's influence, we've already seen new 'copycat' acts finding success by trying to get in on her corner of the market - Sam Smith, Emeli Sandé etc. One could also argue that she's opened the door for a new wave of British success in the US. And just the fact that she's the antithesis of a lot of the image-obsessed, controversy manufacturing, sex-selling pop divas is a big deal, putting actual vocal talent back at the centre of attention.
I would agree with the new wave of British talent which is a great thing. Rather than describe Adele as the antithesis of pop divas etc, would it not better to describe her as authentic? Authentic in terms of music, lyrics, emotion, style and image. That's Adele's great, probably lasting contribution to modern pop music. Quote:
I don't think it's a good idea to just say that no one can ever be compared to The Beatles. I understand their influence etc. put I'm not a fan of anyone being put on such a singular pedestal.
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People keep going on about ageism in the music industry, but it's only a problem when it comes to the Top 40 and radio plays. Barbra Streisand is 73 years old, but her last album sold over 300,000 copies in the UK and over a million copies in the US. Annie Lennox's last album has sold over 100,000 copies in the UK, and Celine Dion's last album has sold 300,000 copies. Vera Lynn hit number one on the album chart a few years ago. I can understand why older acts find it hard getting a hit on the Top 40 singles chart, but I wish people would stop using ageism as an excuse as to why their favourite pop star underperforms on the album chart. Madonna fans need to accept that her single and album sales have sucked in the UK for years now. MDNA has only sold 135,000 copies in nearly four years.
21 by Adele was bigger than anything released by Madonna: 1. None of Madonna's studio albums have sold anywhere near the 4.7 million copies that 21 has sold in the UK in just five years. Her highest selling studio album in the UK has sold 1.9 million copies and it has taken 30 years for it to sell that much. 2. Adele had two million-selling singles in the UK during the 21 era, but Madonna's never had one in her entire career. 3. Adele had three number one singles on the Hot 100 during the 21 era, something Madonna has never achieved (Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston have). 4. 21 has sold over 11 million copies in the US in five years, none of Madonna's albums have sold that many copies. 5. Even during the height of Madonna's career in the 1980s, none of her studio albums sold over 30 million copies worldwide like 21 has. True Blue is her highest selling studio album with sales of 25 million copies in nearly 30 years. 21 has sold over 30 million copies in just five years. The Immaculate Collection has sold 30 million copies worldwide, but it's taken 25 years to do it. The Immaculate Collection is Madonna's highest selling album in the UK and worldwide, but it's a greatest hits album, not a studio album. Some fans claim that it's sold over 40 million copies worldwide, but there's no proof (fan "receipts" don't count) nor has there been an announcement by her record label. If it had sold 40 million copies, its sales wouldn't be down as 30 million, it wouldn't be missing ten million sales. Madonna fans are just desperate for her to topple the colossal 45 million copies that The Bodyguard by Whitney Houston has sold. It won't....ever. I'm not expecting Adele to continue selling 4.7 million copies of every album she releases, but I don't think it's unrealistic to predict that she will surpass Madonna's UK album sales at some point in the next 10-20 years. Adele has sold nearly seven million albums in the UK with just two releases in seven years, 25 will probably her up total album sales to 9-10 million by the end of 2016, that's already over half what Madonna has sold in 32 years. Let's face it, Madonna is hardly selling albums in vast quantities anymore, Rebel Heart has only sold 70,000 copies so far and fell out of the chart in May. And before anyone starts arguing about the leak, the demos leaked, not the final album. Who knows if Adele will be having number one hit singles in 30 years, but I have a feeling she'll be fine if she isn't. Hello has achieved 130 million views in one week whereas Bitch I'm Madonna has had the same number of views in four months and only because of the celebrities in it. Adele is the queen of the industry now. |
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Summerheart, you will take any chance you can get to trash Madonna. Adele Is currently one of the biggest stars in the world. Madonna is a legend after 30 years in the business. THIRTY YEARS.
You aren't takign into account contemporary ways we buy and listen to music. Using youtube views really? So say if we had You Tube at the time Madonna was releasing Like A Prayer, you don't think that would have broken records? Btw how many "youtube" clicks did the third single from Celien Dion or Barbra Streisands album get?? Oh wait. You will use any excuse to bash madonna and no one other than you knwos why. Very bitter, sad person. However, none of this will change the simple fact, that Madonna remains not only the best selling female artist of all time, but the best selling grossing solo tour of all time as well as being a cultural icon. Stop being so vindictive. Life is not all that bad. Adele's new single is MOR unoriginal, borrng and bland, perfect for the grammies. |
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I don't think it's a good idea to just say that no one can ever be compared to The Beatles. I understand their influence etc. put I'm not a fan of anyone being put on such a singular pedestal. The Beatles should be compared to other guitar bands and Adele with other singers. |
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You are a derranged loon ! do you have a life, you seem to spend all your time on the internet bashing Madonna. Crazy! you need to take your meds
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People keep going on about ageism in the music industry, but it's only a problem when it comes to the Top 40 and radio plays. Barbra Streisand is 73 years old, but her last album sold over 300,000 copies in the UK and over a million copies in the US. Annie Lennox's last album has sold over 100,000 copies in the UK, and Celine Dion's last album has sold 300,000 copies. Vera Lynn hit number one on the album chart a few years ago. I can understand why older acts find it hard getting a hit on the Top 40 singles chart, but I wish people would stop using ageism as an excuse as to why their favourite pop star underperforms on the album chart. Madonna fans need to accept that her single and album sales have sucked in the UK for years now. MDNA has only sold 135,000 copies in nearly four years.
21 by Adele was bigger than anything released by Madonna: 1. None of Madonna's studio albums have sold anywhere near the 4.7 million copies that 21 has sold in the UK in just five years. Her highest selling studio album in the UK has sold 1.9 million copies and it has taken 30 years for it to sell that much. 2. Adele had two million-selling singles in the UK during the 21 era, but Madonna's never had one in her entire career. 3. Adele had three number one singles on the Hot 100 during the 21 era, something Madonna has never achieved (Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston have). 4. 21 has sold over 11 million copies in the US in five years, none of Madonna's albums have sold that many copies. 5. Even during the height of Madonna's career in the 1980s, none of her studio albums sold over 30 million copies worldwide like 21 has. True Blue is her highest selling studio album with sales of 25 million copies in nearly 30 years. 21 has sold over 30 million copies in just five years. The Immaculate Collection has sold 30 million copies worldwide, but it's taken 25 years to do it. The Immaculate Collection is Madonna's highest selling album in the UK and worldwide, but it's a greatest hits album, not a studio album. Some fans claim that it's sold over 40 million copies worldwide, but there's no proof (fan "receipts" don't count) nor has there been an announcement by her record label. If it had sold 40 million copies, its sales wouldn't be down as 30 million, it wouldn't be missing ten million sales. Madonna fans are just desperate for her to topple the colossal 45 million copies that The Bodyguard by Whitney Houston has sold. It won't....ever. I'm not expecting Adele to continue selling 4.7 million copies of every album she releases, but I don't think it's unrealistic to predict that she will surpass Madonna's UK album sales at some point in the next 10-20 years. Adele has sold nearly seven million albums in the UK with just two releases in seven years, 25 will probably her up total album sales to 9-10 million by the end of 2016, that's already over half what Madonna has sold in 32 years. Let's face it, Madonna is hardly selling albums in vast quantities anymore, Rebel Heart has only sold 70,000 copies so far and fell out of the chart in May. And before anyone starts arguing about the leak, the demos leaked, not the final album. Who knows if Adele will be having number one hit singles in 30 years, but I have a feeling she'll be fine if she isn't. Hello has achieved 130 million views in one week whereas Bitch I'm Madonna has had the same number of views in four months and only because of the celebrities in it. Adele is the queen of the industry now. Are you Guy Ritchie?
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Well Adele is certainly no Beatles. Did Sgt Pepper appeal to middle class grannies in the 60's ?
I think the way it works now and why Adele is so popular is that ironically now since album sales are so low a lot of interesting artists are just not getting into the industry and the hype factor will focus on a very few artists who produce MOR granny friendly tunes. Adele is this artist. The instant hype of the internet can do this faster than was ever possible in the past. She is a kind of Dido but has a much more powerful voice but her music is not that interesting so I don't think it will fully stand the test of time. Not in the same way as Kate Bush who did actually do 'out of the park' off the wall interesting stuff which is still remembered to this day. Madonna is a different kettle of fish and while she isn't my cup of tea she is interesting as she has been so successful with do many different styles and genres over the years. In this sense Adele does seem a one trick pony. Finally I think she has to owe her success to Amy Winehouse, who she is a poor mans version of. Amy may not have been as technically good as Adele but her music seem so much more raw fresh and relevant and hard hitting. I think we will still be looking back on Amy's back to black long after Adele has hung up her MOR microphone. http://www.nme.com/news/adele/89318 i've never bought an Adele album, but i like some of her songs...and unlike some 'popstars' she can really SING ![]() she will have a long successful career in music if she chooses to imho |
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Adele's crossover appeal hasn't been seen in decades. Amy did not have that much reach. With more time she probably would have (and Back To Black is one of my favorite albums. It is a masterpiece). Madonna didn't have that much appeal, for all her iconic fame. Maybe there's a subconscious likability factor going on as well. How does someone sell 30 million copies today?
Obviously most artists are genre specific. They have a group that loves them. Young kids and Taylor Swift, indie guys and Mumford, rockers and Metalica. Adele has all of those groups and 25 more. Rappers and sopranos love her. Country people even love her. I don't think theres a fan base that fights with her. Taylor's are getting pissed but most of them don't have access to the internet yet. Whitney had a large reach but her legacy will be remembered more by her time with Bobby Brown and not that incredible voice. Both her and Amy will be what ifs. And Kylie may be huge over there but not much in the states. I've seen her in concert and it was good. Most of my friends don't know her. If Adele stays mostly out of the spotlight in between albums and keeps dropping an album every 5 years, she will be good at 50. |
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Adele's crossover appeal hasn't been seen in decades. Amy did not have that much reach. With more time she probably would have (and Back To Black is one of my favorite albums. It is a masterpiece). Madonna didn't have that much appeal, for all her iconic fame. Maybe there's a subconscious likability factor going on as well. How does someone sell 30 million copies today?
Obviously most artists are genre specific. They have a group that loves them. Young kids and Taylor Swift, indie guys and Mumford, rockers and Metalica. Adele has all of those groups and 25 more. Rappers and sopranos love her. Country people even love her. I don't think theres a fan base that fights with her. Taylor's are getting pissed but most of them don't have access to the internet yet. Whitney had a large reach but her legacy will be remembered more by her time with Bobby Brown and not that incredible voice. Both her and Amy will be what ifs. And Kylie may be huge over there but not much in the states. I've seen her in concert and it was good. Most of my friends don't know her. If Adele stays mostly out of the spotlight in between albums and keeps dropping an album every 5 years, she will be good at 50.
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Too premature, some people need to calm their tits! lol
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Kylie who though?
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They all have completely different markets so appeal to different genre's, thats why Lady Gaga bombed after a massively successful era whereas Adele looks set to repeat everything, and maybe more, she did with 21. Adele has a massive cross market appeal to all ages. Unless this changes she will continue to sell by the bucket load.
One question though, Kylie big at 50? when did anything recently from her make an impact? granted Madonna isn't selling either but the Rebel Heart Tour is going to be her most successful which is a credit to the fact Madonna can still earn millions every night. Kylie and her fans could only wish for that tbh. |
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