http://news.sky.com/story/1578184/wi...t-wear-a-poppy
Babs chides those who make a different decision to her
Babs chides those who make a different decision to her
Barbara Windsor says people who don't wear the poppy can sod off.
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People who don't believe in freedom of expression should sod off...maybe Barbara would be happier living in North Korea.
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“http://news.sky.com/story/1578184/wi...t-wear-a-poppy
Babs chides those who make a different decision to her”
“http://news.sky.com/story/1578184/wi...t-wear-a-poppy
Babs chides those who make a different decision to her”
Barbara Windsor should think things through before she makes such crass remarks ...
I tend to wear a different coat or jacket whenever I go into town, but I've usually only bought the one poppy.
This year I thought I'd go the extra fiver and buy two .. which still isn't really enough because I forgot today and left the house with just a light jacket which, lo and behold, didn't have a poppy pinned to it!
I put a poppy in my car windscreen where the tax disc holder was. I don't wear one on me as I'm always getting changed
I find they fall off but I do agree with supporting our Troops and I bought a wristband in support of our Troops from a soldier in London a while back. I still have it. Unfortunately certain people (ie certain anarchists and left wing activists) hate our Armed Forces which I find ridiculous as if it came to it who do they think would protect us if we were invaded or bombed by an enemy army etc? Our Armed Forces are prepared to die for the rest of us. That deserves respect. I'll buy a poppy but it will only stay on some of my clothes so Ms Windsor if I'm not wearing it that's why 
Personally I like to wear the poppy in remembrance but some people dont and thats fine. The poppy is a symbol but it is the idea of remembering those who died in battle and supporting the armed forces that is the important message.
Originally Posted by Pink_Smurf:
“I find they fall off but I do agree with supporting our Troops and I bought a wristband in support of our Troops from a soldier in London a while back. I still have it. Unfortunately certain people (ie certain anarchists and left wing activists) hate our Armed Forces which I find ridiculous as if it came to it who do they think would protect us if we were invaded or bombed by an enemy army etc? Our Armed Forces are prepared to die for the rest of us. That deserves respect. I'll buy a poppy but it will only stay on some of my clothes so Ms Windsor if I'm not wearing it that's why”
“I find they fall off but I do agree with supporting our Troops and I bought a wristband in support of our Troops from a soldier in London a while back. I still have it. Unfortunately certain people (ie certain anarchists and left wing activists) hate our Armed Forces which I find ridiculous as if it came to it who do they think would protect us if we were invaded or bombed by an enemy army etc? Our Armed Forces are prepared to die for the rest of us. That deserves respect. I'll buy a poppy but it will only stay on some of my clothes so Ms Windsor if I'm not wearing it that's why
”
Why is wearing poppies defined as THEE way of showing respect to our armed forces? To insist it is this way or the highway in this situation is actually irrational.
Originally Posted by vald:
“People who don't believe in freedom of expression should sod off...maybe Barbara would be happier living in North Korea.”
“People who don't believe in freedom of expression should sod off...maybe Barbara would be happier living in North Korea.”
We've only got freedom of speech because of those whose lives we commemorate with the poppies.
Originally Posted by valkay:
“We've only got freedom of speech because of those whose lives we commemorate with the poppies.”
“We've only got freedom of speech because of those whose lives we commemorate with the poppies.”
But that's the paradox of freedom -you can't insist people feel the same and have the same view.
These soldiers were fighting so that opinions and ways of life couldn't be imposed on others against their will.
Originally Posted by Pink_Smurf:
“I find they fall off but I do agree with supporting our Troops and I bought a wristband in support of our Troops from a soldier in London a while back. I still have it. Unfortunately certain people (ie certain anarchists and left wing activists) hate our Armed Forces which I find ridiculous as if it came to it who do they think would protect us if we were invaded or bombed by an enemy army etc? Our Armed Forces are prepared to die for the rest of us. That deserves respect. I'll buy a poppy but it will only stay on some of my clothes so Ms Windsor if I'm not wearing it that's why”
“I find they fall off but I do agree with supporting our Troops and I bought a wristband in support of our Troops from a soldier in London a while back. I still have it. Unfortunately certain people (ie certain anarchists and left wing activists) hate our Armed Forces which I find ridiculous as if it came to it who do they think would protect us if we were invaded or bombed by an enemy army etc? Our Armed Forces are prepared to die for the rest of us. That deserves respect. I'll buy a poppy but it will only stay on some of my clothes so Ms Windsor if I'm not wearing it that's why
”
I don't know any left wing activists who hate our troops, hate is a strong word. Some don't support them invading Iraq and Afghanistan which is fair enough.
Originally Posted by cobwebsoup:
“I don't know any left wing activists who hate our troops, hate is a strong word. Some don't support them invading Iraq and Afghanistan which is fair enough.”
“I don't know any left wing activists who hate our troops, hate is a strong word. Some don't support them invading Iraq and Afghanistan which is fair enough.”
I agree with this.
Originally Posted by valkay:
“We've only got freedom of speech because of those whose lives we commemorate with the poppies.”
“We've only got freedom of speech because of those whose lives we commemorate with the poppies.”
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“But that's the paradox of freedom -you can't insist people feel the same and have the same view.
These soldiers were fighting so that opinions and ways of life couldn't be imposed on others against their will.”
“But that's the paradox of freedom -you can't insist people feel the same and have the same view.
These soldiers were fighting so that opinions and ways of life couldn't be imposed on others against their will.”
I agree with both points which is why I personally choose to wear the Poppy but believe others shouldnt be told to "Sod off" or whatever because they choose not to.
What a ridiculous thing to say. There are a million reasons someone might not wear one, how supremely arrogant to suggest anyone who doesn't also doesn't respect the people who've died. I'm sure she can see into people's minds just by looking at what is or isn't on their jacket...
An excellent point.
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“But that's the paradox of freedom -you can't insist people feel the same and have the same view.
These soldiers were fighting so that opinions and ways of life couldn't be imposed on others against their will.”
“But that's the paradox of freedom -you can't insist people feel the same and have the same view.
These soldiers were fighting so that opinions and ways of life couldn't be imposed on others against their will.”
An excellent point.
Originally Posted by SepangBlue:
“Barbara Windsor should think things through before she makes such crass remarks ...
I tend to wear a different coat or jacket whenever I go into town, but I've usually only bought the one poppy.
This year I thought I'd go the extra fiver and buy two .. which still isn't really enough because I forgot today and left the house with just a light jacket which, lo and behold, didn't have a poppy pinned to it!”
“Barbara Windsor should think things through before she makes such crass remarks ...
I tend to wear a different coat or jacket whenever I go into town, but I've usually only bought the one poppy.
This year I thought I'd go the extra fiver and buy two .. which still isn't really enough because I forgot today and left the house with just a light jacket which, lo and behold, didn't have a poppy pinned to it!”
And then one good downpour and your poppy's a goner.
I always get a poppy, but as you say, I chop and change coats and don't always remember I have a poppy to change as I'm flying out of the door at 8am.
I have an official bracelet one as well this year. But I guess if La Winsor can't see it affixed to my left boob...
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“But that's the paradox of freedom -you can't insist people feel the same and have the same view.
These soldiers were fighting so that opinions and ways of life couldn't be imposed on others against their will.”
“But that's the paradox of freedom -you can't insist people feel the same and have the same view.
These soldiers were fighting so that opinions and ways of life couldn't be imposed on others against their will.”
This is my go-to counter argument every year, and one I've yet to receive a good response to
I respect anyone in the Armed Forces, I have like many people, relatives who died in WW1 and fought in WW2, but people have a right to wear the poppy or not and it doesn't mean there a horrible person because they don't.
What about the government officials who wear theses poppies concealing the hypocrisy behind them considering they provide barely any after-care to soldiers after they leave the army, how many do we have that are suffering mental health issues with no support to help them back in to civilisation, inadequately equipped housing for veterans who have been disabled by war or even homeless and getting no help, be more concerned about that then someone not wearing a poppy.
What about the government officials who wear theses poppies concealing the hypocrisy behind them considering they provide barely any after-care to soldiers after they leave the army, how many do we have that are suffering mental health issues with no support to help them back in to civilisation, inadequately equipped housing for veterans who have been disabled by war or even homeless and getting no help, be more concerned about that then someone not wearing a poppy.
I have the utmost sympathy and respect for the men who fought and died for us in both world wars; young men, most of them, scared and dying in trenches on both sides of the battlefield. But I refuse to wear a symbol of military propaganda that glorifies current wars that I don't support, whether that was the original intention of the symbol or not.
Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dulce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.
Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dulce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.
Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“I respect anyone in the Armed Forces, I have like many people, relatives who died in WW1 and fought in WW2, but people have a right to wear the poppy or not and it doesn't mean there a horrible person because they don't.
What about the government officials who wear theses poppies concealing the hypocrisy behind them considering they provide barely any after-care to soldiers after they leave the army, how many do we have that are suffering mental health issues with no support to help them back in to civilisation, inadequately equipped housing for veterans who have been disabled by war or even homeless and getting no help, be more concerned about that then someone not wearing a poppy.”
“I respect anyone in the Armed Forces, I have like many people, relatives who died in WW1 and fought in WW2, but people have a right to wear the poppy or not and it doesn't mean there a horrible person because they don't.
What about the government officials who wear theses poppies concealing the hypocrisy behind them considering they provide barely any after-care to soldiers after they leave the army, how many do we have that are suffering mental health issues with no support to help them back in to civilisation, inadequately equipped housing for veterans who have been disabled by war or even homeless and getting no help, be more concerned about that then someone not wearing a poppy.”
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“I have the utmost sympathy and respect for the men who fought and died for us in both world wars; young men, most of them, scared and dying in trenches on both sides of the battlefield. But I refuse to wear a symbol of military propaganda that glorifies current wars that I don't support, whether that was the original intention of the symbol or not.
Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dolce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.”
“I have the utmost sympathy and respect for the men who fought and died for us in both world wars; young men, most of them, scared and dying in trenches on both sides of the battlefield. But I refuse to wear a symbol of military propaganda that glorifies current wars that I don't support, whether that was the original intention of the symbol or not.
Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dolce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.”
Fantastic posts.
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“I have the utmost sympathy and respect for the men who fought and died for us in both world wars; young men, most of them, scared and dying in trenches on both sides of the battlefield. But I refuse to wear a symbol of military propaganda that glorifies current wars that I don't support, whether that was the original intention of the symbol or not.
Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dolce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.”
“I have the utmost sympathy and respect for the men who fought and died for us in both world wars; young men, most of them, scared and dying in trenches on both sides of the battlefield. But I refuse to wear a symbol of military propaganda that glorifies current wars that I don't support, whether that was the original intention of the symbol or not.
Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dolce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.”
Well said.
I always buy a poppy, but I stick it in a little vase on my bureau. That way it's a reminder to me, not something to show the world I care. Each to their own.
Sod off, suggests to me she is saying the non poppy wearers should go away, so where to?
To another country? Is that what she is saying?
I do wear one, but not out of fear of being made to sod off.
To another country? Is that what she is saying?
I do wear one, but not out of fear of being made to sod off.
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“I have the utmost sympathy and respect for the men who fought and died for us in both world wars; young men, most of them, scared and dying in trenches on both sides of the battlefield. But I refuse to wear a symbol of military propaganda that glorifies current wars that I don't support, whether that was the original intention of the symbol or not.
Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dulce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.”
“I have the utmost sympathy and respect for the men who fought and died for us in both world wars; young men, most of them, scared and dying in trenches on both sides of the battlefield. But I refuse to wear a symbol of military propaganda that glorifies current wars that I don't support, whether that was the original intention of the symbol or not.
Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dulce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.”
What a brilliant post - well said.
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