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Barbara Windsor says people who don't wear the poppy can sod off.
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Pink_Smurf
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by cobwebsoup:
“I don't know any left wing activists who hate our troops, hate is a strong word. Some don't support them invading Iraq and Afghanistan which is fair enough.”

Unfortunately I do know left wing activists who have stated that yes they do in fact hate our Armed Forces and it's a handful of people and not just one person. I actually know them and have spoken to them plus such stuff is on their facebook pages. One of them has a brother in the Army and she refuses to speak to him.
Whedonite
29-10-2015
*sods off*
little-monster
29-10-2015
The fact that people do not wear a poppy, hardly shows any disrespect. People show respect and support in different ways.

The real disrespect is if anyone was to use the symbol of the Poppy is a disgusting disrespectful manner. Like that drunk teenager years ago who was caught pissing all over the War memorial which had poppy's on.

I support many charities but i don't feel the need to wear those wristbands or constantly brag to everyone that I do. Why should I?
Scrabbler
29-10-2015
People shouldnt be made to feel pressurised to support charities, there arr so many of them and you have to draw the line somewhere.
-Unicorn-
29-10-2015
I personally don't wear one, I tend to break them or lose them and it just annoys me but I'm happy to support the charity out of respect.

I don't think anyone should feel pressurised into wearing a poppy and I hate it when people get on their high horse about it. I could have donated a grand* to the charity but not taken a poppy... condemn me!

*Wish I had a grand
J-B
29-10-2015
I neither wear nor want one, find them to be empty gestures, and would like Barbara to sod off.
Gulftastic
29-10-2015
I'll make her a deal. If she sods off, I'll wear one.
Foxster Hotpot
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by Gulftastic:
“I'll make her a deal. If she sods off, I'll wear one.”

vald
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by Gulftastic:
“I'll make her a deal. If she sods off, I'll wear one.”

Sounds fair.
cyrilandshirley
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“I respect anyone in the Armed Forces, I have like many people, relatives who died in WW1 and fought in WW2, but people have a right to wear the poppy or not and it doesn't mean there a horrible person because they don't.

What about the government officials who wear theses poppies concealing the hypocrisy behind them considering they provide barely any after-care to soldiers after they leave the army, how many do we have that are suffering mental health issues with no support to help them back in to civilisation, inadequately equipped housing for veterans who have been disabled by war or even homeless and getting no help, be more concerned about that then someone not wearing a poppy.”

Originally Posted by _elly001:
“I have the utmost sympathy and respect for the men who fought and died for us in both world wars; young men, most of them, scared and dying in trenches on both sides of the battlefield. But I refuse to wear a symbol of military propaganda that glorifies current wars that I don't support, whether that was the original intention of the symbol or not.

Instead I'll remember them in my own way, by reading Dulce Et Decorum Est on the 11th November, as is my tradition.”

Just want to join in applauding both of these. You give me hope for humanity.

The hypocrisy of a lot of those who wear poppies, and insist others do as well, is staggering.

The meaning of the poppy has totally changed in my lifetime. It used to mean "never again". Now it seems to mean "I have no problem sending young men off to get blown up on a regular basis as long as we look after them afterwards." That's very different. I've got no truck with poppy fascism, and the insistence that not wearing them is unpatriotic. I'll stick money in a box for a veterans' fund no problem, because they do a tough job for very little reward, and can suffer horribly. But I won't wear what's become a symbol of war-mongering.
Hildaonpluto
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by Lady Voldemort:
“This is my go-to counter argument every year, and one I've yet to receive a good response to ”

Great minds think alike on this occasion! 😁
RetroMusicFan
29-10-2015
I always buy a poppy but tend to lose the paper ones off. I've bought a bracelet this year and a reflector keyring just in case I lose the paper one as usual.
Lady Voldemort
29-10-2015
So the general consensus is that Barbara Windsor can sod off herself?
Hildaonpluto
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by Lady Voldemort:
“So the general consensus is that Barbara Windsor can sod off herself?”

Pretty much! 😁
Sandra Bee
29-10-2015
I bet those lovely Kray boys used to wear one.
Foxster Hotpot
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by Lady Voldemort:
“So the general consensus is that Barbara Windsor can sod off herself?”

Yep
Harlowe
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Just want to join in applauding both of these. You give me hope for humanity.

The hypocrisy of a lot of those who wear poppies, and insist others do as well, is staggering.

The meaning of the poppy has totally changed in my lifetime. It used to mean "never again". Now it seems to mean "I have no problem sending young men off to get blown up on a regular basis as long as we look after them afterwards." That's very different. I've got no truck with poppy fascism, and the insistence that not wearing them is unpatriotic. I'll stick money in a box for a veterans' fund no problem, because they do a tough job for very little reward, and can suffer horribly. But I won't wear what's become a symbol of war-mongering.”

Here, Here, excellent post.

I have no issue of wearing them or supporting the charities behind them as there the ones who need the support, it's the governments who as you said happy to send soldiers off to war to fight in their interests but when it's over and done with and they need support, help and aftercare, it's a big up yours basically, left to good hearted charities to try and help those in need with little support or funding from the governments, it opens your eyes big time.

Originally Posted by Lady Voldemort:
“So the general consensus is that Barbara Windsor can sod off herself?”

I think her comment might of been well intended in her eyes but comes across as patronising.
zx50
29-10-2015
I don't really care what she thinks about those that don't wear a poppy. I don't need a bit of paper/card and plastic to remember those that gave their lives so we could have our freedom. I think Barbara Windsor's the type that likes to show off when in front of the camera anyway. If others out there want to wear it, I have absolutely no problem with that.
Foxster Hotpot
29-10-2015
Sod off Babs
attitude99
29-10-2015
And she can sod off an' all
Hildaonpluto
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by zx50:
“I don't really care what she thinks about those that don't wear a poppy. I don't need a bit of paper/card and plastic to remember those that gave their lives so we coI uld have our freedom. I think Barbara Windsor's the type that likes to show off when in front of the camera anyway. If others out there want to wear it, I have absolutely no problem with that.”

Here Here she was a tad to judgemental on this!
0...0
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Just want to join in applauding both of these. You give me hope for humanity.

The hypocrisy of a lot of those who wear poppies, and insist others do as well, is staggering.

The meaning of the poppy has totally changed in my lifetime. It used to mean "never again". Now it seems to mean "I have no problem sending young men off to get blown up on a regular basis as long as we look after them afterwards." That's very different. I've got no truck with poppy fascism, and the insistence that not wearing them is unpatriotic. I'll stick money in a box for a veterans' fund no problem, because they do a tough job for very little reward, and can suffer horribly. But I won't wear what's become a symbol of war-mongering.”

I concur with all of you. The fetishization of war has done our country so much damage over the last few years, not to mention others.
PS, nice to see you back elly!
srhgts
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by cyrilandshirley:
“Just want to join in applauding both of these. You give me hope for humanity.

The hypocrisy of a lot of those who wear poppies, and insist others do as well, is staggering.

The meaning of the poppy has totally changed in my lifetime. It used to mean "never again". Now it seems to mean "I have no problem sending young men off to get blown up on a regular basis as long as we look after them afterwards." That's very different. I've got no truck with poppy fascism, and the insistence that not wearing them is unpatriotic. I'll stick money in a box for a veterans' fund no problem, because they do a tough job for very little reward, and can suffer horribly. But I won't wear what's become a symbol of war-mongering.”

Another fantastic post.

Originally Posted by 0...0:
“I concur with all of you. The fetishization of war has done our country so much damage over the last few years, not to mention others.
PS, nice to see you back elly! ”

And another.

Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“I bet those lovely Kray boys used to wear one. ”

Lol!
SegaGamer
29-10-2015
I don't wear a poppy because i don't want too, i think they look stupid.

It's a crappy little plastic flower thing, why would i want to wear one of those ?
cyrilandshirley
29-10-2015
Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“I bet those lovely Kray boys used to wear one. ”

Yeah, she's not really in a position to lecture anyone about ethics really is she?

Originally Posted by 0...0:
“I concur with all of you. The fetishization of war has done our country so much damage over the last few years, not to mention others.
PS, nice to see you back elly! ”

Actually find it really encouraging to realise other people feel the same way. The whole thing has become really divisive, and the last thing it needs is some ex soap actress stirring it up.
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