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EE Gavain vs Den
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Zeus89
30-10-2015
Who do you perfer and who would win in a fight?
Also who's a better dad for sharon?
Lizzie Brookes
30-10-2015
Den for all his faults is a far better dad than Gavin would ever be - no competition.
LHolmes
30-10-2015
I wouldn't want either of them to be my father.

Den started fancying Sharon.
Zeus89
30-10-2015
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“I wouldn't want either of them to be my father.

Den started fancying Sharon.”

I don't believe he fancied her he just wanted to control her, he was just a control freak.
Adrian_Ward1
30-10-2015
Hopefully Den
danyell
30-10-2015
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“I wouldn't want either of them to be my father.

Den started fancying Sharon.”

Did he? Don't remember that. Just thought he was an over protective father.
Lizzie Brookes
30-10-2015
There were small indications - Den's over jealousy of Sharon and Dennis's relationship in particular, his dislike of Sharon dating men in general while not caring who Dennis dated provide it wasn't Sharon, his possessiveness of Sharon, and the fact that he adopted her and they are not blood related certainly makes it possible for him to have romantic and sexual feelings towards her even though he shouldn't and would obviously be in denial about them.
0...0
30-10-2015
Den, no contest.
Highlypsycotic
31-10-2015
sorry to jump in here but its pretty clear that Den was the better father. like gavin said tonite "I didn't even want her", yet as was told to Sharon by the solicitor, den insisted he was Sharon's father and it was time the world knew it

p.s. when it comes to den watts, I will defend him to the hilt!
Zeus89
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Highlypsycotic:
“sorry to jump in here but its pretty clear that Den was the better father. like gavin said tonite "I didn't even want her", yet as was told to Sharon by the solicitor, den insisted he was Sharon's father and it was time the world knew it

p.s. when it comes to den watts, I will defend him to the hilt!”

Same for all his faults he was a good guy I believe and he is king of the square
mickmars
31-10-2015
Bring Den back from the dead,for a showdown,I'm sure they could do it somehow
Lizzie Brookes
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Zeus89:
“Same for all his faults he was a good guy I believe and he is king of the square”

Originally Posted by Highlypsycotic:
“sorry to jump in here but its pretty clear that Den was the better father. like gavin said tonite "I didn't even want her", yet as was told to Sharon by the solicitor, den insisted he was Sharon's father and it was time the world knew it

p.s. when it comes to den watts, I will defend him to the hilt!”

Originally Posted by 0...0:
“Den, no contest.”

I agree. I'm sure Sharon and most others on here would if given the choice rather have Den for a father than a vile psychopath, fascinating as he is to watch.
0...0
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Highlypsycotic:
“sorry to jump in here but its pretty clear that Den was the better father. like gavin said tonite "I didn't even want her", yet as was told to Sharon by the solicitor, den insisted he was Sharon's father and it was time the world knew it

p.s. when it comes to den watts, I will defend him to the hilt!”

Don't be sorry! Good post.
Highlypsycotic
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by 0...0:
“Don't be sorry! Good post. ”

i was truely gutted they re-used den's line. that line had such happy memories, now they've tainted it with a psyco
Io
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Zeus89:
“I don't believe he fancied her he just wanted to control her, he was just a control freak.”

I agree. It occurred to him she had grown up.
Io
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes:
“There were small indications - Den's over jealousy of Sharon and Dennis's relationship in particular, his dislike of Sharon dating men in general while not caring who Dennis dated provide it wasn't Sharon, his possessiveness of Sharon, and the fact that he adopted her and they are not blood related certainly makes it possible for him to have romantic and sexual feelings towards her even though he shouldn't and would obviously be in denial about them.”

It was really confusing with what they were doing, but I thought he struggled with the fact that she grew up while he was 'dead' and wanted to keep her as his little princess. Any meaningful relationships she ever had was only after his disappearance. He saw himself as her father and a relationship with his son undermined that.
bass55
31-10-2015
I don't think Den actually ever fancied Sharon, but there were some very awkward scenes between them during the whole Shannis saga that implied it was a bit more than 'daddy love'. If I recall correctly, Chrissie even commented on it. She was no fool and could see what was going on.
0...0
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Highlypsycotic:
“i was truely gutted they re-used den's line. that line had such happy memories, now they've tainted it with a psyco”

I can understand that but I liked it. It made me laugh and it was like Den's ghost was there too. The worse thing EE did after killing off the Watts to treat them as if they never existed.
0...0
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes:
“I agree. I'm sure Sharon and most others on here would if given the choice rather have Den for a father than a vile psychopath, fascinating as he is to watch.”

Yes I concur.
0...0
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by Io:
“It was really confusing with what they were doing, but I thought he struggled with the fact that she grew up while he was 'dead' and wanted to keep her as his little princess. Any meaningful relationships she ever had was only after his disappearance. He saw himself as her father and a relationship with his son undermined that.”

That makes sense. I thought that was quite interesting.
Andybear
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by mickmars:
“Bring Den back from the dead,for a showdown,I'm sure they could do it somehow”

Den has already been brought back from the dead once - I doubt they'll do it again.
Highlypsycotic
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by 0...0:
“I can understand that but I liked it. It made me laugh and it was like Den's ghost was there too. The worse thing EE did after killing off the Watts to treat them as if they never existed.”

Totally agree. The whole family are deeply inbedded in the very fabric of that square and yet since they have gone, there has been hardly any mention of them (until last night). Even dot mentioned nick coming back from the dead to kathy but no mention of den watts
Lady Voldemort
31-10-2015
Originally Posted by mickmars:
“Bring Den back from the dead,for a showdown,I'm sure they could do it somehow”

Well it must be nearly time for his decennial ressurection.
Highlypsycotic
31-10-2015
Unfortunately i doubt leslie grantham would ever go back. There was an interview with him somewhere online a couple of yrs ago and they said would he go back if he could and his reply was "i cant go back. Im dead. Maybe my twin brother might show up but they'd never be able to afford him"
Zeus89
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by Highlypsycotic:
“Unfortunately i doubt leslie grantham would ever go back. There was an interview with him somewhere online a couple of yrs ago and they said would he go back if he could and his reply was "i cant go back. Im dead. Maybe my twin brother might show up but they'd never be able to afford him"”

Its sad that he feels that way but I do understand where he is coming from, when they brought him back they needed to make sure he had the Vic straight away, and he was firmly at the centre of the show for it to work. I do think DTC would have made his storylines more fun and enjoyable, and I think DTC would have kept him even after that web cam incident, which didn't actually hurt anybody but just showed he was a bit of a pig.
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