But she was also boring. Being different isn't interesting in itself; it depends on what the difference is.

I don't agree that she simply completed a twist that was forced on her. Susie didn't have to nominate anyone. That should always have been obvious, but Siavash and others proved it in bb10. (Susie didn't know about that proof, since it hasn't happened yet, but we do, and it was always the case that a housemate could refuse to nominate and take the consequences.)

In any case, nothing about the twist forced her to pick Grace and Nikki. She came in with outside knowledge, and she used it.

I don't think it matters if "any decision she made would have been 'wrong' in some way to someone."


I don't agree, though of course she was right to be suspicious of Susie and of the task. If we look at what Grace actually did it was things like splashing in the pool and making costumes and dancing. Susie was so "intimidated" by the costumes and dancing that she continued to make pasta sauce (or whatever it was) and let Grace taste it when the dancing was over. Not intimidated at all, in other words.


Who are these "allies" supposed to be, so that there are a lot of them? Sezer was gone. George (if he'd ever been an ally) was gone. Lisa and Imogen and Mikey is like 3 people, not a lot. Some people say Imogen was already moving away. Also, how were they "protection"?


No, what she did on the circus show was very different from being stuck standing on a box for ages, and being on her feet dancing is very different too. It was a task very unsuited to Grace who like to deal with problems by doing something, but by standing around and waiting. If it had been a movement task, or a strength task, or a balance task, you might have a point, but it wasn't.


It came that close to saving her only because of things that weren't inherent in the task, and there were so many ways it could go wrong that it was much more likely that she wouldn't win than that she would.

People claimed it was intended to save Grace so they could shout "fix". Indeed, many were shouting "fix" before the task was even over.

You could say the same about all nominations and every single twist, they're taking part in BB.
It's a similar thing as Becki's Judas Kiss. She didn't have to do it but it's what they signed up for.


She had loads of allies - George, Sezer, Mikey, Imogen, Lisa, Glyn, Nikki. But it began falling apart with George and Sezer leaving and Grace's inability to pull in any newbies.


Dancing isn't just prancing around because you're unable to stand still, it's about stamina and discipline. Plus the boxes were large enough for small movements and a dancer would know how to balance their weight, therefore it was very fitting for Grace.
Even without that, the producers knew that Grace would fight tooth and nail for it, with perhaps even enough influence to get people to throw it to her. It was a clear lifeline.

I not only could say it. I often do say it.

And Becki did not sign up for something like the Judas Kiss.

When had something like the Judas Kiss happened before, so that HMs would know they were "signing up" to it?


You're moving the goal posts. You claimed "Grace clearly had a lot of influence and allies" and "this twist completely took that away from her." Now you're saying much of it was done by other, earlier things. When did this supposed point where Grace actually had a lot of influence and allies occur? Sezer went in week 2, so it had to be before then so that his exit could be part of it "falling apart". It's hard to see Glyn as an ally then (he nominated her in week 2), and her relationship with Nikki had been rocky.

Anyway, as I already pointed out, at the time of the twist, George and Sezer were gone, and Imogen (some will tell you) was already moving away. Glyn and Nikki weren't quite what I'd call "allies".

And unless "inability to pull in any newbies" is just a loaded way to say that newbies didn't join her supposed allies, I don't know what you could have got it from. She was able to change some other peoples' minds about her, so where's the "inability"? Besides, if it was, as claimed, the twist that took away "all the power she had built up in there" / the influence and allies, then the only "newbie" who's relevant is Susie and her outside knowledge.


Nothing I said had anything to do with the ridiculous idea that dancing is "just prancing around because you're unable to stand still". But you have to distort what I said, because my actual point is completely sound. The key to the task is not balancing your weight or making small movements. As I said, If it had been a (proper) movement task, or a strength task, or a balance task, you might have a point, but it wasn't.

Remember that the claim about this task is that BB gave her a lifeline: that BB picked a task especially well suited to Grace in particular, so that she would win. The cries of "fix" were deafening. But it was NOT a task best suited to Grace. I saw that from the start and never thought Grace would win it.


So now any task BB set would be a "lifeline". That's what the "lifeline" conspiracy theory comes down to: Grace had many strong qualities that would make her good at tasks, and BB set a task. A task that was unsuited to her (when many better suited ones could have been picked), but still a task. And if they thought she would " fight tooth and nail for it", they were wrong.

But at least you're recognising that Grace made progress in the task through things that weren't inherent in a "wait in boxes" task, though you declined to quote that part of my post.

The previous season Sam handled water being thrown very well, in that case it came from someone in the crowd outside who she didn't know and she would have had no idea what it was at first unlike with Suzie.

I'm still not convinced, it just seems like arguing for the sake of arguing for the sole purpose of trying to stick up for Grace.
And comments like the ones above takes the fun out of it, treating it way more seriously than it needs to be, so there's not much point continuing on.

I leave stuff out of quotes so that it won't go on forever once the conversation has hit a brick wall (or had a glass of water thrown over it, so to speak).

Suzie handled it brilliantly , Grace was a jumped up little snob and her arrogance was her downfall .

Your post doesn't even agree with itself about what I'm doing, and I'd appreciate if it you stopped making comments about me and stuck to discussing BB.

Money and class seemed to be Aisleyne's main issue with Grace, yet it's turned out that Aisleyne had Thatcher as a heroine.

Yes, Sam handled that very well. Other HMs have handled it well too. Susie doesn't stand out there.

Also, there was more and nastier water-throwing in bb6 than in bb7, yet the one incident in bb7 got a far bigger reaction even though it wasn't a big deal to Susie, or to the other HMs. As I mentioned earlier, Richard re-enacted it later with Jennie, said it was "liberating", and asked Aisleyne if she wanted to try it. Now Aisleyne even seems to think it's ok to throw liquids.

Absolutely. She demonstrated an admirable amount of restraint and class.

Of course it bothered her but yes she showed class by demonstrating restraint and not saying too much, in the heat of the moment. "You're certainly no lady, Grace". Simple and to the point.

That's what I always try to do until accusations like the ones above start heading my way.
That's why it's best to avoid the aggro.

Besides it distracted from the original point about Susie's admirable behaviour. There's a few things to criticize Susie for during her time in the house, but it's jolly hard when it comes to her first week.

loved that .

I think you're being unfair to Susie. She had no idea she was the only person nominating that week until right after she had done it.

I don't see how we can be sure she had no idea, but do you think Susie would have chosen differently if she had known? If not, then so what if she didn't know?

She knew! After all she wasn't just the Willy Wonka chocolate factory entry. She applied several times before and Nikki identified her straight away as being an applicant that made it far in BB7 selection process. So she was a big fan of BB and knew to give the crowd what they wanted and to nominate Grace. Also nominating Nikki was so she wouldn't upset the rest of the house, she couldn't nominate Lisa and she knew Nikki wouldn't go. She knew what she was doing! Let's not forget she bought her ticket for 5k after buying shit loads of kitkats so she wanted it bad and is not someone that doesn't know about BB.

I have another theory and that is Suzie might of chose Lisa over Nikki if she could. So Mikey and Glyn might of saved Grace if they didn't get off the podium and outlasted Lisa and won the immunity. Who would of went over Grace and Lisa? My money is on Lisa going and Grace would of survived.

Then don't give sarcastic replies that distort what I said.


I don't think it's hard at all to criticise Susie's first week; and if you want to stick to the original point, why didn't you? I suspect that the reason that much of the thread is really about a different housemate is that there isn't anything interesting to say about Susie beyond saying she handled the water-throwing well -- though no better than other HMs have done.

It's interesting, though, that Susie treating the water-throwing as unimportant is praised when other HMs are attacked for having a similar view. Aisleyne is often presented as the only praiseworthy one because of how strongly she reacted. If Susie's to be praised as well, and the other HMs still criticised, I suppose there may be some rationale for it, but I suspect it will be a rather specious one.

Susie's a sort of HM who'd normally be disliked. Dull. Put on a false front. Looked down on other HMs. Fame hungry. Wanted to be in BB only for 'exposure' and seemed to think she might get tv work out of it, but didn't seem to realise you had to provide some other reasons too. That seems to be why she did so little in the house and didn't understand why Davina called her on it. But then she did little with the 'exposure' too, once she'd had it.

She'd tried for years to get into BB. The producers were right to reject her, and made a mistake in not filtering her out when she'd managed to get a golden ticket.

Susie may have even been intending to vote Nikki and Lisa, depending on Grace's behaviour in the house and the winner of immunity.
Susie nominated Nikki straight-away and then her tone of voice drops when she moves onto Grace. So she was either just building up to nominating Grace like she always intended to do, or she was just going for Grace simply because Lisa was immune.

I don't know about Lisa going over Grace as the momentum against Grace had been building for a week or two. Though I think it could have been much closer like 60/40 rather than 80/20 like it was with Grace vs Nikki. Perhaps some voters may have thought it could be the only chance to get Lisa out.

Looking at it another way, if Susie really was tactical she could have always left Grace for another week, which would perhaps have kept Susie safe once the noms went back to normal and she would be an obvious target. She would just have to let the other housemates in on what Grace is really like, but not the way Jayne did with blabbing outside information to all and sundry and getting everyone punished.

I always enjoyed watching Susie , she had a great calm dignity , and it was great to get rid of Grace who was such a bitchy snob .

and its hardly surprising Susie nommed Grace , Grace treated her with obvious contempt , and she had to nomm somebody

You've posted my thoughts exactly. I absolutely loathed the woman and cheered Grace when she chucked water at her. Ah, those were the days

If that is the case Grace should never had got off the podium and if Mikey wanted to save Grace he could of easily of won the immunity therefore saving Grace.

Suzie was never tactical and I agree if she was she could have saved Grace in case she was put up in the future. But as it was she put up Nikki and Grace knowing Grace would go. I don't buy that she couldn't of guessed that she would be the only nominee since she was a big fan of the show and had been trying to get on it for several seasons.

In retrospect Suzie nominating Nikki did her a huge favour as we got "Who is she? Who is she? where did you find her! Nikki's famous catchcry.