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Amazon: Clarkson could face jail

i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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The case against Jeremy Clarkson has been reopened in Argentina.
Jeremy Clarkson and his Top Gear crew could face three years in prison after a judge reopened the investigation into their controversial number plate stunt in Argentina.

Clarkson sparked anger last year after driving through Argentina on a 1,400-mile road trip for a Top Gear Christmas special in a Porsche with the number plate H982 FKL.

War veterans accused the motormouth presenter of goading them over the Falklands and the crew were attacked by furious locals as they tried to flee the country.

In an attempt to quell the unrest, the car's number plates were switched to H1 VAE – but this opened them to a charge of falsification in the South American country.

Meanwhile close to 60 Clarkson has become a mere jobbing actor, how degrading.

What next flogging insurance and giving away a free pen?
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    I see the UK has an extradition treaty with Argentina, looks like Clarkson could be up a river without a paddle?
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    i4u wrote: »
    I see the UK has an extradition treaty with Argentina, looks like Clarkson could be up a river without a paddle?

    Why Clarkson? I know he's become the anti-Beeb, but you reckon he swapped the number plates? Not say, a junior producer? Or the producer would be responsible.. And for his cut of the £160m rumored, I'm sure he doesn't mind making a few adverts. He did enough of them at the Bbc after all.
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    Why Clarkson? I know he's become the anti-Beeb, but you reckon he swapped the number plates? Not say, a junior producer? Or the producer would be responsible..

    The Argentinians think its worth re-opening the case, if anyone was driving a car with false number plates wouldn't you expect them to be questioned if not arrested?

    The article says Clarkson and team and Andy Wilman very old school chum, business partner and apologized was the Executive Producer.
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    ohglobbitsohglobbits Posts: 4,482
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    Chances of Clarkson getting extradited must be tiny and as others have said it probably falls under collective responsibility so unless they want to haul the entire Top Gear team to their kangeroo court..
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    Mark.Mark. Posts: 84,930
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    i4u wrote: »
    I see the UK has an extradition treaty with Argentina, looks like Clarkson could be up a river without a paddle?
    And the legal arguments could go on for years. e.g. is falsifying an Argentinian number plate the same offence as falsifying a UK number plate? Or is it just the general act of falsifying a number plate that's relevant?

    In any case, any charges would be entirely politically-motivated. I can hardly see the government (and a Conservative government at that) bending over backwards to accommodate an extradition request from Argentina over an issue connected to the Falklands.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    i4u wrote: »
    The Argentinians think its worth re-opening the case, if anyone was driving a car with false number plates wouldn't you expect them to be questioned if not arrested?

    In an attempt to quell the unrest, the car's number plates were switched to H1 VAE – but this opened them to a charge of falsification in the South American country.

    So who switched the number plates? A presenter, or someone from the crew?
    The article says Clarkson and team and Andy Wilman very old school chum, business partner and apologized was the Executive Producer.

    But that doesn't necessarily make them responsible. Do you know if there was any legal advice given to the production crew? And who would be ultimately responsible? The channel controller? The director of TV?
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    JordyDJordyD Posts: 4,007
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    It will never happen - his supporters here in the UK will be protesting.

    Nothing like standing up for a thug eh?
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    JordyD wrote: »
    Nothing like standing up for a thug eh?

    Mark Thompson once bit a member of staff, and that didn't stop him becoming DG. One just has to be the right sort of thug to get away with that kind of behaviour at the Bbc it seems. See also Operation Yewtree..
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    This is a thread about Clarkson & Team possibly facing jail, if someone wishes to rant about a former DG they should create a separate thread.
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    In an attempt to quell the unrest, the car's number plates were switched to H1 VAE – but this opened them to a charge of falsification in the South American country.

    So who switched the number plates? A presenter, or someone from the crew?

    But that doesn't necessarily make them responsible. Do you know if there was any legal advice given to the production crew? And who would be ultimately responsible? The channel controller? The director of TV?

    Don't ask me I wasn't there I assume the case has been re-opened to get to the truth of the matter and jail any law breakers.

    If Clarkson drove the car knowing the plates had been illegally changed then he questions to answer, anyone driving on false plates in the UK would have been arrested.

    But I guess having the Prime Minister as a mate and neighbour helps.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    i4u wrote: »
    This is a thread about Clarkson & Team possibly facing jail, if someone wishes to rant about a former DG they should create a separate thread.

    I thought it was about the legal system vs revenge fantasies. Why would a presenter face jail for something the production team was responsible for?
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    I thought it was about the legal system vs revenge fantasies. Why would a presenter face jail for something the production team was responsible for?

    Someone hands you an illegal gun and you then shoot someone with it, are you really suggesting the person who pulled the trigger is blameless?

    If Clarkson knowingly drove a car with false plates then he's banged to rights and facing years in jail.

    Is Argentina on friendly terms with Mexico...he could end up doing a test drive of South American prisons?
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    Mark.Mark. Posts: 84,930
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    i4u wrote: »
    Someone hands you an illegal gun and you then shoot someone with it, are you really suggesting the person who pulled the trigger is blameless?
    Reductio ad absurdum.

    Or false analogy. Shooting someone is in itself illegal, regardless of the source of the gun.

    Driving on false numberplates is only an offence if done so knowingly.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    i4u wrote: »
    Someone hands you an illegal gun and you then shoot someone with it, are you really suggesting the person who pulled the trigger is blameless?

    Well, after all the complaints about Clarkson, wasn't he under close supervision with all his stunts requiring approval from the corporation?
    If Clarkson knowingly drove a car with false plates then he's banged to rights and facing years in jail.

    I dunno, being in fear for your life and wanting to avoid a lynch mob, the previously approved number plates got swapped to something less offensive. Seems a reasonable bit of mitigation don't you think? Plus on the way out of Argentina, the offending vehicle had a police escort, didn't it?
    Is Argentina on friendly terms with Mexico...he could end up doing a test drive of South American prisons?

    Now that is drifting firmly into fantasy land. Why would Mexico have any claim?
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    Mark. wrote: »
    Reductio ad absurdum.

    Well one has to go to extremes to make the point for some people.

    I suppose I could have said someone steals a car and someone else drives it knowing it to be stolen doesn't make the driver an innocent party.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    Mark. wrote: »
    Reductio ad absurdum.

    Bbc dumbing down I think.. :)
    Or false analogy. Shooting someone is in itself illegal, regardless of the source of the gun.

    Not always, we do have justifiable homicide. So someone shoots a police officer and is about to fire into the crowd. You pick up the gun and shoot the attacker. You'd be in possession of the firearm illegally, but your actions may be justifiable..
    Driving on false numberplates is only an offence if done so knowingly.

    And hardly worth extradition, especially with the mitigation.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    i4u wrote: »
    I suppose I could have said someone steals a car and someone else drives it knowing it to be stolen doesn't make the driver an innocent party.

    So in the scenes where the Porsche was fleeing with it's police escort, do you really think Clarkson was driving?
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    Now that is drifting firmly into fantasy land. Why would Mexico have any claim?

    If the Argentinians have re-opened the case for political reasons, didn't he or one of chums upset a Mexican diplomat?

    Maybe he could find himself sloping off to Burma, on a world tour of prisons.
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    So in the scenes where the Porsche was fleeing with it's police escort, do you really think Clarkson was driving?

    No idea...but the Argentinians seem to think there a case to investigate.

    If you are asking me if I believe what Clarkson and his apologized Andy Wilman say, I have great doubts they give a full and frank account of themselves. There have been too many incidents for them to have been poor judgement or bad luck.
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    i4u wrote: »
    If the Argentinians have re-opened the case for political reasons, didn't he or one of chums upset a Mexican diplomat?

    And? Lèse-majesté doesn't usually apply to diplomats. And I thought it was Hammond who offended Mexico.
    There have been too many incidents for them to have been poor judgement or bad luck.

    Yup. Such a tightly scripted show it would be inconceivable.. But helped sales.. So remind me, who at the Bbc was responsible for the anti-Clarkson frenzy and killing that particular golden goose?
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    i4ui4u Posts: 55,020
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    And? Lèse-majesté doesn't usually apply to diplomats. And I thought it was Hammond who offended Mexico.

    To the Mexicans the tree Amigos all the same?

    Yup. Such a tightly scripted show it would be inconceivable.. But helped sales.. So remind me, who at the Bbc was responsible for the anti-Clarkson frenzy and killing that particular golden goose?

    Oh that's simple Jeremy Clarkson & his old public school chum, apologized and executive producer Andy Wilman.

    Making an unprovoked physical and sustained verbal attack on innocent person may pay a small part. Ian Hislop queried if drink such as Coke had played a part in the lengthy tirade.
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    mikwmikw Posts: 48,715
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    . So remind me, who at the Bbc was responsible for the anti-Clarkson frenzy and killing that particular golden goose?

    None other than Clarkson himself, which he has admitted.
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    albertdalbertd Posts: 14,362
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    Where does Amazon (either the company or the river) come into this??
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    mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,308
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    i4u wrote: »
    Meanwhile close to 60 Clarkson has become a mere jobbing actor, how degrading.

    What next flogging insurance and giving away a free pen?
    He's appearing in a trailer for the new show on Amazon.

    As stated:
    Jeremy Clarkson’s first trailer for his new Amazon show is here – and it takes a cheeky swipe at the BBC

    Genius.

    This is the sneaky first look at Jeremy Clarkson’s union with Amazon. While the advert starts off as a promotion for Amazon’s Fire Stick, it soon starts referring to Clarkson’s imminent car show with the company.

    As he flicks through the available channels, an image of him with James May and Richard Hammond flashes up when he reaches Amazon Prime, suggesting that the show is coming soon.

    While he’s at it, he brushes straight past BBC I Player, just for the lols.
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    SnrDevSnrDev Posts: 6,094
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    Oh look - i4u has found another excuse to have a childish pop at his least favourite tv persona on the planet. Jobbing actor... Is that the best you could come up with? Multi-millionaire producer & writer takes part in a promotional video as part of the reported £160m deal for his show? That doesn't quite have the same air of desperation & dismissiveness does it?

    BTW if anyone imagines that Clarkson will ever face an Argy court over this, they're living in dreamworld.
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