I stopped taking the article seriously when it mocked the cross-dressing storyline which has been handled really well. Also Gavin beating up Phil.. does this critic even watch the show I wonder as Gavin was shown to have hired muscle when he kidnapped Phil?
EastEnders has lost its marbles -Daily Mirror Critic (not O'Sullivan!)
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Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“LOL 😃😄 Spot on article. In other words the shark has been jumped.”
“LOL 😃😄 Spot on article. In other words the shark has been jumped.”
The whole Kathy returning storyline is a massive shark jump as was the drivel of Max's trial.
It's just gotten to ridiculous and convoluted to be credible.
Originally Posted by Scrabbler:
“Say hello to Sorcha if you see her out on hers too
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“Say hello to Sorcha if you see her out on hers too
”
Behave Sorcha is adorable!
😁😘
I agree with the last bit, Kathy's back from the dead and nobody's really batted an eyelid. She's back in the caff helping out Ian like she never 'died' at all.
Originally Posted by ManOfEast:
“I tend to think they should've either not done it or followed through on it.
I think the article only superficially addresses the problems with the show. Because Eastenders has never been completely believable, of course not. The problem is that even within the show's internal logic, it's beginning to look completely ridiculous. It doesn't even feel like the characters live there sometimes and Albert Square doesn't feel like an actual place. Instead it all resembles a fan fiction.
Somewhere along the line we've forgotten that explosions and fires and murders and kidnaps are only truly engaging if we actually care about the characters involved. Otherwise it's simply one exciting episode and then months of boredom. Only familiarity, some decent character writers and a great cast are keeping it going at the moment.”
“I tend to think they should've either not done it or followed through on it.
I think the article only superficially addresses the problems with the show. Because Eastenders has never been completely believable, of course not. The problem is that even within the show's internal logic, it's beginning to look completely ridiculous. It doesn't even feel like the characters live there sometimes and Albert Square doesn't feel like an actual place. Instead it all resembles a fan fiction.
Somewhere along the line we've forgotten that explosions and fires and murders and kidnaps are only truly engaging if we actually care about the characters involved. Otherwise it's simply one exciting episode and then months of boredom. Only familiarity, some decent character writers and a great cast are keeping it going at the moment.”
What a great post. It is fan fiction absolutely. I said Producers were paying too much attention to super fan cabal on social media. It's lost its foundation. It's what contrived / convoluted plot can I come up with next involving EE history. I've never known so many characters be damaged and/or destroyed as there have been this year. Beale family destruction is unforgivable. Dysfunctional they may have been but not criminals like the Mitchells.
Originally Posted by Aurora13:
“What a great post. It is fan fiction absolutely. I said Producers were paying too much attention to super fan cabal on social media.”
“What a great post. It is fan fiction absolutely. I said Producers were paying too much attention to super fan cabal on social media.”
It feels like they're not detached enough from the show and its history.
Quote:
“It's lost its foundation.”
“It's lost its foundation.”
It has and it has been losing it for ages. Since around 2001-2003 onwards the show has become more about more about dark secrets, reveals, murders, love affairs and what have you. These things are fine, of course, it's a soap opera! It's drama. It's going to be hyper-reality.
But when the show is incapable of making us care about the characters in their everyday interactions, their everyday lives, their everyday problems then we have a problem. More sensationalism is not a substitute for this, but it's what's been happening, and we've had an increasing frequency of murders, rapes, love affairs, fires, what have you... increasingly without any real consequence and with diminishing returns.
The producers and writers either don't want or are incapable of doing the hard graft of actual developing likeable characters and a real setting so that these events actually have a pay off. We're living off name and brand recognition at this point.
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“It's what contrived / convoluted plot can I come up with next involving EE history. I've never known so many characters be damaged and/or destroyed as there have been this year. Beale family destruction is unforgivable. Dysfunctional they may have been but not criminals like the Mitchells.”
“It's what contrived / convoluted plot can I come up with next involving EE history. I've never known so many characters be damaged and/or destroyed as there have been this year. Beale family destruction is unforgivable. Dysfunctional they may have been but not criminals like the Mitchells.”
There are no actual families left in EE, which is problematic when it's the foundation of the show. Families are chopped, changed, recast, moved in, moved out, move house, torn apart, stuck back together, with such frequency that we can't connect to them anymore. The Beales are no longer a credible family - ruined for short term gains.
Originally Posted by ManOfEast:
“It feels like they're not detached enough from the show and its history.
It has and it has been losing it for ages. Since around 2001-2003 onwards the show has become more about more about dark secrets, reveals, murders, love affairs and what have you. These things are fine, of course, it's a soap opera! It's drama. It's going to be hyper-reality.
But when the show is incapable of making us care about the characters in their everyday interactions, their everyday lives, their everyday problems then we have a problem. More sensationalism is not a substitute for this, but it's what's been happening, and we've had an increasing frequency of murders, rapes, love affairs, fires, what have you... increasingly without any real consequence and with diminishing returns.
The producers and writers either don't want or are incapable of doing the hard graft of actual developing likeable characters and a real setting so that these events actually have a pay off. We're living off name and brand recognition at this point.
There are no actual families left in EE, which is problematic when it's the foundation of the show. Families are chopped, changed, recast, moved in, moved out, move house, torn apart, stuck back together, with such frequency that we can't connect to them anymore. The Beales are no longer a credible family - ruined for short term gains.”
“It feels like they're not detached enough from the show and its history.
It has and it has been losing it for ages. Since around 2001-2003 onwards the show has become more about more about dark secrets, reveals, murders, love affairs and what have you. These things are fine, of course, it's a soap opera! It's drama. It's going to be hyper-reality.
But when the show is incapable of making us care about the characters in their everyday interactions, their everyday lives, their everyday problems then we have a problem. More sensationalism is not a substitute for this, but it's what's been happening, and we've had an increasing frequency of murders, rapes, love affairs, fires, what have you... increasingly without any real consequence and with diminishing returns.
The producers and writers either don't want or are incapable of doing the hard graft of actual developing likeable characters and a real setting so that these events actually have a pay off. We're living off name and brand recognition at this point.
There are no actual families left in EE, which is problematic when it's the foundation of the show. Families are chopped, changed, recast, moved in, moved out, move house, torn apart, stuck back together, with such frequency that we can't connect to them anymore. The Beales are no longer a credible family - ruined for short term gains.”
This is a brilliant thoughtful post but the future looks likely grim long-term going by this assessment
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-review...course-6742184
Will chime with some on here”
“http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-review...course-6742184
Will chime with some on here”
I don't bother with tv critics much as they're just like forum members with a readership but its interesting that the other Mirror critic said it was the best episode since live week!
https://mobile.twitter.com/HylandIan...362752/actions
Originally Posted by ManOfEast:
“It feels like they're not detached enough from the show and its history.
It has and it has been losing it for ages. Since around 2001-2003 onwards the show has become more about more about dark secrets, reveals, murders, love affairs and what have you. These things are fine, of course, it's a soap opera! It's drama. It's going to be hyper-reality.
But when the show is incapable of making us care about the characters in their everyday interactions, their everyday lives, their everyday problems then we have a problem. More sensationalism is not a substitute for this, but it's what's been happening, and we've had an increasing frequency of murders, rapes, love affairs, fires, what have you... increasingly without any real consequence and with diminishing returns.
The producers and writers either don't want or are incapable of doing the hard graft of actual developing likeable characters and a real setting so that these events actually have a pay off. We're living off name and brand recognition at this point.
There are no actual families left in EE, which is problematic when it's the foundation of the show. Families are chopped, changed, recast, moved in, moved out, move house, torn apart, stuck back together, with such frequency that we can't connect to them anymore. The Beales are no longer a credible family - ruined for short term gains.”
“It feels like they're not detached enough from the show and its history.
It has and it has been losing it for ages. Since around 2001-2003 onwards the show has become more about more about dark secrets, reveals, murders, love affairs and what have you. These things are fine, of course, it's a soap opera! It's drama. It's going to be hyper-reality.
But when the show is incapable of making us care about the characters in their everyday interactions, their everyday lives, their everyday problems then we have a problem. More sensationalism is not a substitute for this, but it's what's been happening, and we've had an increasing frequency of murders, rapes, love affairs, fires, what have you... increasingly without any real consequence and with diminishing returns.
The producers and writers either don't want or are incapable of doing the hard graft of actual developing likeable characters and a real setting so that these events actually have a pay off. We're living off name and brand recognition at this point.
There are no actual families left in EE, which is problematic when it's the foundation of the show. Families are chopped, changed, recast, moved in, moved out, move house, torn apart, stuck back together, with such frequency that we can't connect to them anymore. The Beales are no longer a credible family - ruined for short term gains.”
I do have some sympathy with this pov. You need a balance between solid characterization and the OMG plots. EE has lost some of that.
Originally Posted by vald:
“It did make me smile.
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“It did make me smile.
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The saddest thing for me is that it made me laugh because its true
Im not a fan of newspaper critics because theyre always negative, however on this occasion I find it hard to argue with the article.
Originally Posted by CherryRose:
“The saddest thing for me is that it made me laugh because its true
Im not a fan of newspaper critics because theyre always negative, however on this occasion I find it hard to argue with the article.”
“The saddest thing for me is that it made me laugh because its true
Im not a fan of newspaper critics because theyre always negative, however on this occasion I find it hard to argue with the article.”
I think I'm past being sad about the state of the show. I've been hanging on by the skin of my teeth since the Beales persuaded Liam to bu**er off to German, leaving his uncle to rot.
The Les Coker story is realistic and true to life. Maybe not for the crític but for many men it is.
These articles get rolled out everytime the show does something big. The same rag and forum users in the next week will attack it because "nothing is happening"
EastEnders will never win
These articles get rolled out everytime the show does something big. The same rag and forum users in the next week will attack it because "nothing is happening"
EastEnders will never win
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