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Poor, poor Katie
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Ann_Dancer
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“There did seem to be a very odd agenda in marking and critiquing that Paso so savagely. It was a perfectly good, basic but dramatic choreography with decent content (which interestingly was well received by the studio audience compared to a lot of the other more middling dances). Katie fluffed two early grips, lost her place/forgot routine mid way through and was very stiff throughout but bearing in mind content and execution it was clearly very much better than Jeremy and I thought Jamelia as well. It is likely to be very demoralising to Katie to be so criticised every week, particularly when others - Jamelia is a case in point - are dealt with so much more leniently. From a viewing point of view I thought the judges way of almost shaming her put a real down on the show from the outset, bearing in mind it was the opening dance. Then seeing the higher marks and kinder comments for plainly less fluent performances must puzzle open minded viewers who don't buy into the "Anton's Latin spells the end of dance as we know it" dogma that delights so many on here.”

I agree with all of that. The judges have mapped out a story for Katie and Anton and nothing is going to change it.

Also Katie comes across as a quite robust person and so maybe they think she can take it, but it still destroys confidence, even for someone as sensible as Katie.
RachelBlackburn
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by Saturn:
“I think they're doing it on purpose to emphasise a story arc. She'll probably have a breakthrough in a couple of weeks.”

That is one possibility. I certainly find it difficult to believe that it's entirely a coincidence that - knowing Anton as everyone does - that her first 6 dances have had four Latins.

Three possibilities
a) They continue to be ridiculously mean to her on her ballroom dances, and she'll get dumped out in due course
b) They'll follow the "you're made for ballroom" story and she'll get great marks until she hits either Charleston or Rumba.
c) They'll allow to her a "breakthrough" dance, maybe Charleston as they did for Louis Smith at which point they'll then mark her Rumba fairly.

The other more cynical possibility is that she is getting such a strong public vote that they've decided they can afford to undermark her and save higher table positions for the likes of Jamelia. Same may or may not be true to a lesser degree for Anita.
Moonbean
01-11-2015
I think Anton works really hard trying to put together a routine that his celeb dancer can actually do. The routine they danced last night was fine - not amazing, but nowhere near as awful as the judges made out. I also agree that Len shouldn't be telling her that Latin isn't her 'thing', as this will just put her off even more.

I still enjoy watching Anton and (I'm obviously in the minority here, but) I actually like his joking about and find him funny.
ricardoylucia
01-11-2015
Just watched on catch-up.... although, not brilliant, but could have been marked a point or two higher. In my personal opinion, I feel the judges, besides trying to map out a story, actually have something against her as well.

The judges already have their favourites, which does not help.
Monsieur23
01-11-2015
It does rather feel that all these low 20s scores are going to be followed by a redemptive Charleston, then 10s for all her Ballrooms, including a 40 for a Waltz or Foxtrot...

...I'm not complaining too much, but try to make it subtle, producers. No amount of cajoling will convince me her Paso Doble was only 1 mark better than her Cha-Cha-Cha...
icequeen
01-11-2015
I agree, I don't think Len should be saying that 'Latin is not your dance'. I'm not understanding the agenda with Katie and Anton. I mean if you compare the judges comments to the comments given to perfect Peter.....
ChrissieAO
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by csiaddict71:
“21 was ridiculous - how she can be scored less than Jeremy (whom I like, but...), is outrageous.”

I agree, but there something about Jeremy. I really enjoy watching him and he always looks so happy.
I would love to see both him and Anton in the final, but it aint gonna happen!!
RachelBlackburn
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by icequeen:
“I agree, I don't think Len should be saying that 'Latin is not your dance'. ..”

Agreed, it's just lazy judging. It's an easy but hurtful comment, and worse it's a writing-somebody-off comment. Tell them it lacked energy or was flat-footed or needed shaping or missed characterisation or was jerky or out of time - all those things can be fixed. Tell them it's not your dance, well, that's bad and lazy too, but saying after four Latin dances - one of which was really good (and he said so!) that someone can't do Latin is both ridiculous and just plain cruel.
jeff_vader
01-11-2015
Looked great. Bad dance. Still huge fan
tabithakitten
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by icequeen:
“I agree, I don't think Len should be saying that 'Latin is not your dance'. I'm not understanding the agenda with Katie and Anton. I mean if you compare the judges comments to the comments given to perfect Peter.....”

Apart from anything else, it doesn't make sense.

ANNOUNCER: This week, dancing the Latin, would you please welcome...
dancingbearbear
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Apart from anything else, it doesn't make sense.

ANNOUNCER: This week, dancing the Latin, would you please welcome...”



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slogga
01-11-2015
Originally Posted by RachelBlackburn:
“Agreed, it's just lazy judging. It's an easy but hurtful comment, and worse it's a writing-somebody-off comment. Tell them it lacked energy or was flat-footed or needed shaping or missed characterisation or was jerky or out of time - all those things can be fixed. Tell them it's not your dance, well, that's bad and lazy too, but saying after four Latin dances - one of which was really good (and he said so!) that someone can't do Latin is both ridiculous and just plain cruel.”

I agree. So many people criticise Craig for being harsh but at least he does actually point out the mistakes albeit not in as pleasant a way as Darcy. I find him far more constructive than Smug Len.
Monkseal
01-11-2015
Len didn't say Latin "isn't her dance" or that she can't do it. He said paso doble wasn't her dance and came out with the usual nonsense about how it's because it's an aggressive spiky dance and she's a beautiful delicate English Rose or some such patronising pseudopsychological bumwaffle. Last week he said she looks less comfortable and assured in latin than ballroom but...that's obviously true, and I'm not sure who'd deny it?
holly berry
01-11-2015
According to the Daily Star she is going to win the glitter ball so perhaps not so poor Katie after all.
WallyWall2013
02-11-2015
I thought her Cha-Cha and Salsa were both properly scored. While I wasn’t too big of a fan of her Paso, it was a good improvement from her Salsa. I don’t get how those two dances scored the same.
Carolyn_Brown
02-11-2015
Originally Posted by ricardoylucia:
“Just watched on catch-up.... although, not brilliant, but could have been marked a point or two higher. In my personal opinion, I feel the judges, besides trying to map out a story, actually have something against her as well.

The judges already have their favourites, which does not help.”

I never bought into the they have favourites conspiracy theory, but this year I really think it's obvious. Just allegedly saying this of course and I could be paranoid! But something is not right.
Rosegrower
07-11-2015
Sorry all her fans, but I absolutely cannot stand Katie at any price. I find her false, over- pleased with herself, and patronising to Anton, as if she were the professional and he the contestant. I admit I am prejudiced, because I detest her appearances on the Proms, where it is all me, me, me, and I have to mute her comments. Likewise on Radio 3. So there we are - I don't usually take against people, but never mind, she doesn't need my approval. Glad to get that off my chest! And again, apologies to her admirers.
bornfree
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mint-Opinion:
“I can't help but blame Anton. I think he's letting Katie down in the training.”

I agree with you. Anton should have been paired with Carol and Katie with Pasha.
csiaddict71
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“I agree with you. Anton should have been paired with Carol and Katie with Pasha.”

Carol & Anton could have been a formidable force!! Probably would have stayed in even longer than Katie will!!
StrictlyVikki
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by Rosegrower:
“Sorry all her fans, but I absolutely cannot stand Katie at any price. I find her false, over- pleased with herself, and patronising to Anton, as if she were the professional and he the contestant. I admit I am prejudiced, because I detest her appearances on the Proms, where it is all me, me, me, and I have to mute her comments. Likewise on Radio 3. So there we are - I don't usually take against people, but never mind, she doesn't need my approval. Glad to get that off my chest! And again, apologies to her admirers.”


You're clearly not so apologetic that you felt the need not to write a fowl post about a talented, successful and intelligent woman.

You clearly invest a lot of time in listenening to and watching her which is a little sad as you clearly hate her so much. I hope you find something more constructive to do with your life soon.
SKID1
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“According to the Daily Star she is going to win the glitter ball so perhaps not so poor Katie after all. ”

let's. All hope so , great achievement if she does ,

Certainly win the best legs
BruciesChin
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by Rosegrower:
“Sorry all her fans, but I absolutely cannot stand Katie at any price. I find her false, over- pleased with herself, and patronising to Anton, as if she were the professional and he the contestant. I admit I am prejudiced, because I detest her appearances on the Proms, where it is all me, me, me, and I have to mute her comments. Likewise on Radio 3. So there we are - I don't usually take against people, but never mind, she doesn't need my approval. Glad to get that off my chest! And again, apologies to her admirers.”

I don't mind her but I do remember when she first started reading the news (1990s) there were reports of her being unpopular with the people she worked with (I can't remember the reason).

I think she was also criticised for showing emotion while she was reading the news (trembling voice etc).
bornfree
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by csiaddict71:
“Carol & Anton could have been a formidable force!! Probably would have stayed in even longer than Katie will!!”

Yes, maybe on reflection, you are right!!
Paace
07-11-2015
Katie was doing so well in that QS until the mistake, then she never recovered . It was very very fast , in keeping with the music but one mistake at that fast pace for a beginner and its very difficult to recover .

I'm afraid Katie is been left behind by the other celebs like Georgia, Anita, Peter who are improving .
SweetAngelx
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by Richwood:
“No way was Katie worse then Jeremy, she is being undermarked. I guess the producers are panicking because so many men are going out. But we can do something about that and keep the better dancers in for as long as they should be.

Anton's been good for the show but his time is up. I think Katie would have been excellent with Pasha. Hope she does the tour, and preferably with the aforementioned Pasha.”

Maybe I am naive but I would hope the judges would mark honestly and would not be influenced by gender ratios...!

But as you quite rightly point out they gave Katie less marks than Jeremy which is absurd and I'm not sure what possible reason they could give to justify that.
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