[quote=Zeus89;80198935]
Thanks I'll check it out.


Neither Phil or Grant were very likeable characters but their storylines were. I always knew that EE was going to take a massive hit when Grant left around 1999. Ross Kemp had been asking for more money and wanted EE to focus on other key characters more like Frank and he was right, but I suppose the BBC could never match what ITV offered Kemp. 3 Million Golden Handcuff deal I think it was and ITV have never repeated one of the very first programmes Ross Kemp done with them either which was "In Defence". I wish they would repeat it as I missed it first time around.

As for Phil, I think he has a lot of milaeage left in him. Characters in Corrie have lasted for longer, so why not with Phil/Ian too in EE?

@ Op/Zeus, Just skim watching that clip, I remember now to an extent. Frank had got Phil to torch the car lot though I can't remember how he got Phil to do it and I suppose the main reason why I didn't remember off the top of my head was because it was not an intentional killing and Phil was not aware the homeless man was in the portakabin at all.

If I remember rightly, it was the guilt of that homeless man's death which made Frank just walk right out of the square and for the second time too, and Pat wasn't in a very forgiving mood when he turned up 2 years later. Kathy played super match maker for some reaosn and wouldn't let it go in trying to get Pat to get back with Frank when he did come back.

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I'm sure he'll last, but I'll never care what happens to him. Ian ditto ATM after what he and his missus have done to people over Bobby. I do like Ian's sense of humour when it surfaces though, and he's not as much to blame as Jane. She didn't even bother to tell him.

[quote=vald;80199746]
Maybe all 3 (Ian,Jane and Bobby) need to get done by the law and they should do it as a storyline? Maybe suspended sentences for Ian and Jane and not sure on Boby though he certainly needs to be monitered with his serious anger issues.

[quote=Styker;80199792]
Jane should get a prison sentence for dumping Lucy's body, perjury and wasting police time. They should also get a hefty fine for wasting taxpayers money. Oh, and they should have to compensate Max for suffering and loss of earning.

[quote=vald;80199856]
Agree with that, any idea about what to do with Bobby?

EE needs Phil. Without him the show would suffer - just like it did when he left last time.

Phil is, with Ian, the only two characters EE needs to survive. Sharon comes and goes all the time.

Sharon hasn't been coming and going all the time. She left twice and Letitia Dean said she's back for many years now

The lad needs a psych evaluation and the appropriate help.

[quote=vald;80199856]
That sounds brilliant. I hate Jane for being such a hypocrite, and would love her to go down for years for what she has done, bobby I'm not that fussed about on sentencing, as I don't think he will go down because it was an accident. Ian crying as he looses thousands to max would make my day, then he could say he "I've got nothing left" to make it perfect.

[quote=Zeus89;80200006]
Jane doesn't deserve to be locked up. Maybe a year sentence is more than enough. She was doing what any mother would do. She was protecting Bobby because he doesn't know he killed Lucy and it would destroy him if he finds out.

She still let max and Jake go to prison, which no matter what he reasons are that was wrong. It is also made worse as she knows max is going to be beaten up most days in prison.

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Ian was in a scene like that once as he was about to go bankrupt (and did I think) and he was begging Phil to help him out and Phil didn't. Phil relished in seeing Ian beg and twisted the knife on Ian as he begged too.

[quote=Styker;80200238]
Yeah I have seen that scene, a few years later phil was in ian situation begging ian for money, when Archie was planning to take over the vic.

[quote=Zeus89;80200274]
And I don't quite remember that scene either but I remember the general storyline. I started to lose a lot of interest in EE after they killed Den off for a second time, I didn't enjoy Andy Hunter and Chrisse Watts, though Johnny Allen wasn't bad. I keep on watching out of habbit.

Of course she does. If Max commits suicide in jail then Jane has blood on her hands. You can't use the excuse of protecting someone to put an innocent person in the slammer.

It wouldn't destroy Bobby if he finds out. He went in the room with the intention to violently attack Lucy and has already asked Ian and Jane if he killed her.

And while we're at it Phil need to be locked up for bribing the jury......anyone would think the panto season was coming up😉

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Bobby did say that Lucy deserved to die so maybe it was his intention to kill her? In any case he needs to be monitered at the very least and for quite some time too. He's another Michael Myers type and no Halloween pun intended.

I have been absolutely sick of the Philth since TPTB made him into a totally invincible God when Grant left.

I mean they are still having him beat up people like Vincent for God's sake.

The fact that he will never leave means the only way I want to watch the character is if Gavin keeps on psychologically destroying him.

Perhaps he will then realise just how many people's lives he has casually ruined and how many victims he has terrorised over the years.

I am on Gavin's side 100%.

I like Gavain he reminds me of when Den returned and broke phil, it just shows that phil is not invincible and people who are more mentally clever can beat him. Also it's nice to see a broken phil it's when steve's at hus best.