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#301 |
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There is an alternative conclusion to be made from your figures to do with the judges and not the public, ie, that they score non white celebrities slightly lower than white celebs
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Originally Posted by daziechain
But that doesn't take into account that there are far less non-white contestants taking part. Out of approx 177 contestants .. only 37 (again approx) are non-white. So the percentage of white contestants hitting the bottom 2 should be markedly higher.
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Can you run those numbers again for black and other as we keep being told that mixed race doesn't count.
Someone would have to give me a list of contestants to consider, I'm not going to start guessing at the specifics of the background of, say, Verona Joseph, where I don't know and her wikipedia page doesn't cover it.
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What a load of bull .
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Not buying this whole 'racism' angle, I'm afraid. I find it highly unlikely that more than a deluded minority would use this as a reason not to back her. Her middle of the road dancing skills, and an unmemorable personality are to blame in my view. Her dances all seemed to lack the wow factor for me, save for her Charleston; the same week she wasn't in the dance off.
I imagine Jeremy and Carol get through despite their dire dancing skills because of their warm, enthusiastic attitudes, and their relatable underdog nature. They just come across as lovely and normal, which counts for a lot. Stick a charming, or likable black celebrity in there and the public will warm to them just fine. Jamelia just isn't it. I hope, that in this day and age, not many people would sit down in front of SCD and say "I won't be voting for so-and-so because of their colour", but unfortunately there is still a lot of unconscious racism, where your average white viewer may be less likely to vote for a black dancer than a white or mixed race one. It's very hard to prove this one way or the other, but the fact that there hasn't been a single black winner makes me feel that it is probably true. And there have been plenty of likeable black celebrities over the years; John Barnes, Alison Hammond, Heather Small, Denise Lewis etc etc. |
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With the greatest respect, you are missing the point here.
I hope, that in this day and age, not many people would sit down in front of SCD and say "I won't be voting for so-and-so because of their colour", but unfortunately there is still a lot of unconscious racism, where your average white viewer may be less likely to vote for a black dancer than a white or mixed race one. It's very hard to prove this one way or the other, but the fact that there hasn't been a single black winner makes me feel that it is probably true. And there have been plenty of likeable black celebrities over the years; John Barnes, Alison Hammond, Heather Small, Denise Lewis etc etc. ![]() ![]() I'm not sure that's helping your argument. She irritated me so much I had to mute her when she was talking ![]()
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![]() ![]() I'm not sure that's helping your argument. She irritated me so much I had to mute her when she was talking ![]() ![]()
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And there have been plenty of likeable black celebrities over the years; John Barnes, Alison Hammond, Heather Small, Denise Lewis etc etc. |
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With the greatest respect, you are missing the point here.
I hope, that in this day and age, not many people would sit down in front of SCD and say "I won't be voting for so-and-so because of their colour", but unfortunately there is still a lot of unconscious racism, where your average white viewer may be less likely to vote for a black dancer than a white or mixed race one. It's very hard to prove this one way or the other, but the fact that there hasn't been a single black winner makes me feel that it is probably true. And there have been plenty of likeable black celebrities over the years; John Barnes, Alison Hammond, Heather Small, Denise Lewis etc etc. |
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![]() ![]() I'm not sure that's helping your argument. She irritated me so much I had to mute her when she was talking ![]() ![]()
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Ha ha! Yes, maybe I could have chosen a better example there!!
![]() ![]() But yes, I do see what you are saying about the issue itself. I'm willing to accept I may have deep seated prejudices I am not aware of . I really hope not but it is possible We are complex animals aren't we?
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. I really hope not but it is possible We are complex animals aren't we?