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New Star Trek Series Coming in January 2017
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Jaycee Dove
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Doesn't the number give it away, though? You would think NCC-1031 would come before Kirk's Enterprise which was NCC-1701.”

At face value it does infer a series set between Enterprise and the 1960s TV series.

But if it was that obvious as to just follow the number clue then why would they not just say so and instead be insisting they are keeping the era the show is set a secret for now to 'tease' fans. That is what the producer said and - whilst I might be over thiking this - that could imply it is not as straightforward as we assume.

There were NCC numbers lower in The Next Generation. So at least ships with these numbers could have been reused over centuries.

The Enterprise had an old number compared with others around the TNG era that just had a suffix added and some other rebuilds of older ships apparently never even got those - they just kept the original.

Plus, the ship being old does not mean the series is set at the time it was built.

You could have a series set in 2016 on a World War Two battleship or refurbished cruise liner from the 1930s.

In Star Trek the ship could date from that era but be in any era via all sorts of reasons.

If it really is dumped in that state as on the clip inside an asteroid how long has it been there?

Just one possibility is that it is a ship built to explore the outer reaches and intended as a longer mission - or that it got lost or captured or sent through time via a wormhole and has arrived 150 years forward from when it was built with a crew who have no idea of the universe they are returning to.

Possibly depends on the fans they want to attract to the show. The old TV fans might want one thing. The ones who have watched the new movies might be alienated by a show set far in the future from the films they are watching. But they also have to avoid confusion between the two and so setting before the movies is one way round that (but will seem backwards looking and a lot like Enterprise) whereas finding a way to get a crew and ship from the movie era into the TV future might appeal to both sets of fans,
James_Picard
25-07-2016
Originally Posted by paulschapman:
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So I thought it look far to Klingon I would prefer something like this

.”

agree- that looks much nicer than the one in the clip.
I like the long, narrower look of the nascelles aswell
Flash525
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“Possibly depends on the fans they want to attract to the show. The old TV fans might want one thing. The ones who have watched the new movies might be alienated by a show set far in the future from the films they are watching. But they also have to avoid confusion between the two and so setting before the movies is one way round that (but will seem backwards looking and a lot like Enterprise) whereas finding a way to get a crew and ship from the movie era into the TV future might appeal to both sets of fans,”

What they need to do is to attract both, but the ship they've shown in that teaser clearly shouts TOS; and that's not going to attract new fans. I am struggling to believe that the ship in the trailer wont be the ship in the show, and if that's true, it's implying a TOS-theme. Fuller is old school, so it makes sense he'd want to go back old school, but in this day and age, cardboard ships that look like that just aren't going to cut it.
excelents
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by GDK:
“They are called STIs these days! ”

As in "Insurrection"
Corwin
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Doesn't the number give it away, though? You would think NCC-1031 would come before Kirk's Enterprise which was NCC-1701.”

The USS Constellation seen in TOS had the number NCC-1017 and this was the same type of ship (Constitution Class) as the Enterprise so would have been built around the same time.


Of course in reality it had this number as they used a model of the Enterprise and could only rearrange the numbers (they could have used NCC-1710 though).

It does though give them an excuse for having a low number on a more modern ship if that is the way they are going.
marjangles
26-07-2016
Didn't realise there was a trailer until just now so gave it a watch. Doesn't give much away.

I did notice the ship looks like a cross between a Bird of Prey and the Enterprise. However, something else made me think this may be a possibility, the music. Parts of it were quite reminiscent of the music used during the original movies when Klingons were on screen, particularly Search for Spock. I wonder if the ship design and the music are hints at heavier involvement for the Klingons in this new iteration.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it!
Flash525
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by marjangles:
“I wonder if the ship design and the music are hints at heavier involvement for the Klingons in this new iteration.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it!”

I honestly think you're just reading into it too much. The ship looks too old (TOS era), and too 'Starfleet' (with the colours) to have any Klingon theme to it.
blueisthecolour
26-07-2016
You would assume that the number is a red herring as otherwise it would seems very likely that the show is set a couple of decades before Kirk.

I would like to place a small bet that we are worrying about the setting a lot more than the creators. I strongly suspect that they just choose a time period that they thought would be interesting and didn't worry too much about the audience overlaps. It could just be the case that they thought it would creatively easier to pick the TOS era.
GDK
26-07-2016
The ship looking a bit Klingon can be explained in-verse.

[Speculation]

It could be a unique ship that was built when Starfleet were trying out designs and techniques they'd seen used on Klingon ships. They thought maybe they could learn something useful from Klingon designs?

Or perhaps it's a design built with unique abilities for a special purpose or to be used in certain conditions.

The registry number and era setting: It could be a really old ship that has survived to a more recent era. If it's not a ship of the line, like the Enterprise, Starfleet may not have to replace them so often (you know how careless Captain's can be with their ships! ).

It could just be some grubby old ship given to a Captain with a chequered career who will redeem her/himself, and his/her crew, during the course of the series. The first assignment could be to chart gaseous anomalies (or something equally unimportant) in some distant, unregarded sector of the alpha quadrant. We've never had a "less than shiney" captain at the start of a series before. Perhaps the crew/captain will change as characters get killed off (like Game of Thrones)!

Perhaps the series will follow the ship through different eras with entirely different crews each season.

[/Speculation]

Starfleet probably only re-use the NCC numbers (with a suffix) of significant vessels when they want to preserve the ship's name.
LostFool
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by James_Picard:
“very happy with the title. discovery is a very fitting word which captures the essence of star trek.
not sure about the ship design. I will have to see more angles of it before I know whether I like it or not. I agree it does look a bit Klingon-ish.”

Yes, I'm slightly more optimistic about the news series now. Hopefully the Discovery title will mean a return to "seek out new life and new civilisations" rather than just fighting the Enemy of the Week.

Personally, I'm nor really bothered where it fits in the timeine
Jaycee Dove
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by LostFool:
“Yes, I'm slightly more optimistic about the news series now. Hopefully the Discovery title will mean a return to "seek out new life and new civilisations" rather than just fighting the Enemy of the Week.

Personally, I'm nor really bothered where it fits in the timeine”

It is nice that they selected the name of a real spacecraft that fits the concept of the Federation using the name of a genuine vessel over and over.

Star Trek Enterprise even showed that in the opening credits with vessels named Enterprise - from the old HMS ship and including the space shuttle - though, ironically, of course, that NASA spacecraft was named Enterprise AFTER the one in Star Trek!

Now, at least, Discovery is named after a real space shuttle that genuinely did have that name first,

As for the era it is set not being important. I think it is, mostly because you seriously restrict yourself if you are writing a show about the future and exploration but have to limit the technology you possess because it has to be 100 years or more older than the stuff invented and in use in the 1980s TV series Star Trek: TNG and all the shows and movies that followed.

That was a problem with Enterprise - though they made the best of it. But doing the same thing twice will hamper a show like Star Trek in my view. Something I suspect they have realised.

A show about space exploration is almost by definition a show about the future and - whilst it seems odd calling 150 years from now not the future - it is very much the past in terms of modern Star Trek.
paulbrock
26-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“I
Now, at least, Discovery is named after a real space shuttle that genuinely did have that name first,”

And the fictional version's registration number is very similar to the real-world one...

NCC-1031 vs OV-103
Jaycee Dove
27-07-2016
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“And the fictional version's registration number is very similar to the real-world one...

NCC-1031 vs OV-103”

That could explain a lot. Seems unlikely to be a coincidence. Maybe all Federation ships called Discovery carry that 1031 number for that reason.
blueisthecolour
28-07-2016
On a related note - I saw an advert in my TotalFilm magazine for a Star Trek convention in Birmingham this October.

Has anyone every been to one before? Are they fun?
Flash525
28-07-2016
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“On a related note - I saw an advert in my TotalFilm magazine for a Star Trek convention in Birmingham this October.

Has anyone every been to one before? Are they fun?”

It's probably out of this world.

Edit: Happen to have a link? B'ham isn't too far out of my way, I may consider attending depending on attractions and cost.
RebelScum
28-07-2016
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“On a related note - I saw an advert in my TotalFilm magazine for a Star Trek convention in Birmingham this October.

Has anyone every been to one before? Are they fun?”

I used be involved in organising charity fan run conventions (as opposed to the corporate events) in the 90s. We got a few actors guests such as John De Lancie, Majel Barrett. Because they were smaller, fan run everts, the guests tended to mingle more. The events were fun, and people got what they wanted out of them.
GDK
28-07-2016
I've been to a few Star Trek conventions though not for a few years.

My first was one in Manchester, years ago just before The Undiscovered Country was released in the UK on video. At the time I was buying Laserdiscs from the US and already had it. I offered the use of my copy and my Laserdisc player to to organisers, but we couldn't fit that in the event schedule. I also got to meet DC Fontana in the convention equivalent of the "green room" through that contact with the convention team.

I went to one of the big ones held at the Royal Albert Hall in London at the time of Voyager's launch. The convention was fun. We didn't yet know how bad Voyager would turn out to be.

I've also been to other conventions and event for other genre shows much more recently.

Remembering all these has brought a smile to my face.

They're a huge amount of fun for fans when well organized,
blueisthecolour
28-07-2016
It's this one:

http://destinationstartrek.com/

Quite a few 'big name' guests announced.
Flash525
28-07-2016
Worst Picture Ever goes to Christopher Lloyd. Klingon's now get stoned?
blueisthecolour
28-07-2016
Originally Posted by Flash525:
“Worst Picture Ever goes to Christopher Lloyd. Klingon's now get stoned? ”

This is my favourite **Sigh**
oathy
28-07-2016
Originally Posted by Flash525:
“Worst Picture Ever goes to Christopher Lloyd. Klingon's now get stoned? ”

LMAO!!!

* the ship design is quite a risk. Its going down Very badly on a lot of sites
It might make more sense when the details of the entire series emerge. Or they will tweak the design. Keeping a totally open mind its just going to be great having a star trek show back on TV, Its been such a long time.
Flash525
29-07-2016
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“This is my favourite **Sigh**”

I can relate.

Originally Posted by oathy:
“* the ship design is quite a risk. Its going down Very badly on a lot of sites. It might make more sense when the details of the entire series emerge. Or they will tweak the design. Keeping a totally open mind its just going to be great having a star trek show back on TV, Its been such a long time.”

You'd think they'd run these new designs by some internal fans or something before giving it the go, wouldn't you?

The new ship is beyond hideous, how anyone thought it would be a good idea is beyond me. Regardless of era, there have got to be better designs out there than that. Even the reboot had better kitbashed designs; couldn't they have based their new ship around one of those?
blueisthecolour
29-07-2016
Originally Posted by Flash525:
“I can relate.

You'd think they'd run these new designs by some internal fans or something before giving it the go, wouldn't you?

The new ship is beyond hideous, how anyone thought it would be a good idea is beyond me. Regardless of era, there have got to be better designs out there than that. Even the reboot had better kitbashed designs; couldn't they have based their new ship around one of those?”

I'm not sure if I read it on here or somewhere else - but the creators did say that the video was just something they knocked up in a couple of weeks and doesn't represent the end design or (obviously) quality of the show.
Flash525
29-07-2016
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“I'm not sure if I read it on here or somewhere else - but the creators did say that the video was just something they knocked up in a couple of weeks and doesn't represent the end design or (obviously) quality of the show.”

It's been said (speculated?) on here, though I don't know if it's been said officially.

Still, if that is true, then I don't see what they've gained from releasing this video. Surely it must have something to do with the actual show; that's a fair amount of special effects just for a teaser that'll amount to nothing.
Corwin
29-07-2016
Originally Posted by Flash525:
“It's been said (speculated?) on here, though I don't know if it's been said officially.

Still, if that is true, then I don't see what they've gained from releasing this video. Surely it must have something to do with the actual show; that's a fair amount of special effects just for a teaser that'll amount to nothing.”

Legends of tomorrow put together a far more elaborate teaser/trailer that was never intended to be part of the actual show.

So it's not like ST DSC is the first show to do it.
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