There is more than enough time for both - right up to the point when it's shoved to the front page of every subscriber's Netflix account around the world. It has already been profitable and had the desired boost for CBS' streaming service.

You know, once footage has been shot - you can make proper promotional material, character introductions, full length trailers, TV spots, radio ads and things.

Don't think we need to worry too much about CBS Corp's ability to promote. They have people for that - and have had some of the most watched shows on the planet to prove it.

for me the motion picture is one of the BEST star trek films. never understand the bashing it gets. my 2nd fav TOS film definitely after TWOK. brilliantly written, lots of good character development and well paced film with insanely good music and suspense. and a pretty cool story which is derived from real life NASA space probes released in the 70s. awesome film.
dud point from GDK there.

It has its moments, but one thing it is not, is well paced. They don't call it the slow-motion picture for nothing.

nonsense

that tag is one the stupidest things ever. its definitely one of the best trek films. brilliant film. 3rd out the 13 so far IMO. brilliant film

The undiscovered country is shite. terrible ending to the TOS film segment.

The only time The Motion Picture and the word brilliant should ever be mentioned in the same sentence is when they're separated by the word 'not'.

It's no Star Trek V granted, but TWoK, TVH and TUC are all vastly superior.

Filming has finished on the 2017 Twin Peaks series, & no one has seen a frame of that, nor is any of the cast allowed to say anything about it beyond it's 18 episodes and will be on in 2017 quarter 2.

They no doubt think it too soon to start talking about a show not on till next year. No doubt the same is true of Trek.

TUC is terrible. so booooring. i'm baffled at how many people like it. the only good thing about is the cold war analogy. its awful.

TMP is fantastic from start to finish, excellent film.

Them's fightin' words mister!

Not wishing to go over old ground by analysing The Motion Picture but...

Yes it does have great music, courtesy of the late, great Jerry Goldsmith (who's up there with John Williams, in my opinion).

It has great visuals of the Enterprise itself, but Vulcan and the cloud are not so great.

The story idea is, basically, a rehash of the original series episode The Changeling, wherein an old Earth-built probe wishes to return to its point of origin and meet its creator. So it's not entirely original. (I've watched both again in the last few days and, in my opinion, The Changeling is a better piece of entertainment).

It lacks pace. A vital component for most action/adventure films. Yeah, we get that the Enterprise is beautiful, through the tour and leaving space dock sequences. Yeah we get that the cloud is big. I mean really, really big, but both sequences are too long and rob the story of any dramatic tension through imminent threat.

It's almost entirely devoid of any humour. A vital component of most Star Trek stories.

The director's cut version is much better as it shortens some effects sequences in favour of adding back in character scenes that had been shot, but cut.

I was there when it was released, and watched it many times at the cinema and since. I wanted it to be perfect (as I always do). I am grateful that it got made because its success at the box office (thanks to fans watching it multiple times) meant that Paramount knew there was an audience out there for more Star Trek and that enabled all the Star Trek that followed (the great and the not-so-great) to be made.

I don't hate it, but I retain enough objectivity to recognise its flaws.

You can't really use the 'boring' card for TUC whilst simultaneously extolling the virtues of TMP....TMP is an episode-length idea that's stretched out to feature length, which considering its origins is hardly surprising.

I actually don't mind TMP, but it's far from being one of the better Trek movies. Better than TFF, definitely. Better than TSFS, arguably. Better than any of the others, not while the sun still burns...

Talking of Trek movies . .

I remember that the first time I saw 'The Final Frontier' I was quite young - probably 11-12 years old - it might have even been the first Star Trek I ever watched. At the time I thought it was great

This was before the internet, and the days where people spoke about Star Trek openly in normal society So I had no idea that it was held with such low regard until many years later. I've since watched it again a couple of times and I can see the problems (the whole 'centre of the galaxy thing is obviously cringeworthy'), but it still holds a slight place in my heart.

I actually like all of the TOS movies much more than any of the latter ones. Though The Undiscovered Country is my favourite.

I feel a list coming on....

1. The Undiscovered Country
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. Star Trek 2009
4. First Contant
5. The Voyage Home
6. The Search for Spock
7. Beyond
8. Generations
9. Nemesis
10. Into Darkness
11. Insurrection
12. The Slow-Motion Picture
13. The Final Frontier

1. The Voyage Home
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. Generations
5. First Contact
6. Star Trek
7. Beyond
8. The Motion Picture
9. The Search for Spock
10. Into Darkness
11. Insurrection
12. The Final Frontier
13. Nemesis

I think The Search for Spock is generally underrated. Unfairly so in my opinion. It has more humour and character moments than most remember and a decent story. Along with The Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home, it forms a great trilogy of movies.

My main disappointment with the trilogy was that they had to recast Saavik. Though Robin Curtis did a fine job, she wasn't Kirstie Alley. Kirstie Alley (or her agent) wanted too much money and didn't believe that they'd go ahead without her.

The other disappointment for me is that James Horner didn't do the music for IV. Rosenberg's music is good in its own right, but it doesn't maintain Horner's style and as a consequence the trilogy doesn't hold together musically (unlike the Star Wars movies, for example).

Actually it would have been great if they could've afforded to bring back Jerry Goldsmith. Of all the music for all the Star Trek movies, original crew, TNG and nuTrek, his is the best, in my opinion.

I watched The Final Frontier again in the last few days too. It has its nice character moments, but the humour is overdone. It's too broad and too slapstick for my tastes. The story idea is not bad, but another galactic barrier? Really? If it was so easy to get through, how come no-one has before? I mean, even the Klingon scoutship gets through! There are many directorial miss steps too. I don't think Shatner knew how to get every penny spent up there on the screen. Casting of the Romulan representative was awful.

I used to really like The Undiscovered Country. It's a good entertaining, well paced movie. But I grew to dislike the way Uhura, and Chekov were made to seem like idiots (the Klingon translation scene and the magnetic space boots) just to elevate Valeris to near Spock-like status. The Spock mind rape of Valeris was shockingly wrong and out of character for me. I just didn't believe Spock would do that. It's possibly the single most un-Star Trek like moment in the whole of Star Trek canon. It goes against the optimistic Star Trek ethos. Finally, if it had been Saavik rather than Valeris it would have made the betrayal so much more meaningful. It was obviously intended to be and written for Saavik. They couldn't get Kirstie Alley and Nick Meyer didn't want Robin Curtis, I believe.

FWIW, here's my list:

1. The Voyage Home
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Search for Spock
4. First Contact
5-7. Star Trek / Into Darkness / Beyond
8. The Undiscovered Country
9. Generations
10. Insurrection
11. Nemesis
12. The Motion Picture
13. The Final Frontier

Like I said in my post above, I suppose it depends on what age you were when you watched the films and how much of a trekkie you were at the time to your feeling about them. My opinions on each film change quite a lot.

I saw First Contact in the cinema as a teenager and thought it was the best thing ever. I saw Generations a short time afterwards and really liked the story. However watching them back again as a adult I thought that neither of them made any sense; FC is a good action film, Generations has some interest stuff but the last third of the film is ridiculous. Insurrection and Nemesis and just poor TNG stories that should have never made it past the pitch stage.

I think it's too hard to do a list cos it can change from time to time but as it stands

1. The Wrath Of Khan
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. The Search For Spock
4. The Voyage Home
5. First Contact
6. Generations
7. The Final Frontier
8. The Motion Picture
9. Insurrection
10. Nemesis
11. Beyond
12. Star Trek
13. Into Darkness

As for the series

1. TNG
2. DS9
3. TOS
4. VOY
5. ENT
6. TAS
7. DSC( for now obviously)!

Again that can change at any time depending on how much of each one i'm watching.

The Final Frontier isn't the best, but it has a great brig scene. When Kirk says he's going to nail Spock's ass to the wall, Spock says if he thinks that would help and Bones saying would he like him to hold him. Best part of the film!

TSFS isn't without merit, and as a part of the trilogy it certainly plays its part. The problem for me is that it IS the middle part of a trilogy and noticeably so. TWOK and TVH are great bookends, TSFS is just...filler to a large extent and definitely suffers in being sandwiched between the other two. Don't get me wrong, it has its moments, I just think that on the whole it's largely forgettable compared to a lot of the other movies. And yes, the Saavik thing bothered me as well. I just didn't think that Robin Curtis was in the same league as Kirstie Alley. I'm glad the RC only had a brief cameo in TVH.

TFF - some great Kirk/Spock/McCoy scenes and interaction, but beyond that, I had a lot of issues with it. I've always thought it was my least-favourite Trek movie, but compiling my list earlier, I realised that even given the above, I still rate it higher than Nemesis.

TUC - always enjoyed it. The ONLY thing that bothers me about it is that it's a stark reminder that the cast are aging rapidly and that the end is nigh. Other than that, enjoyed the story, and love the additional cast - David Warner, Christopher Plummer, Kim Cattrall...

Re series rankings;

1. DS9
2. TNG
3. TOS/TAS
4. ENT
5. VOY

I can't rank Discovery yet, obviously. TOS and TAS I consider as a single entity. There's not much between ENT and VOY, but on balance, ENT's third and fourth seasons were relatively strong, and consistent. VOY had strong individual episodes, but consistency was a real issue that it never overcame.

Series rankings

DS9
Voyager
TNG
TOS/TAS
Enterprise

I can see the flaws in Voyager but i feel it is gets a very hard time. But i feel when you are the fourth series in a franchise, fans will begin to want something bigger and better with each new series. And voyager didn't really do that. It was kinda a bit too safe. But i love it.

1. DS9
2. TNG
3. TOS / TAS
4. Enterprise
5. Voyager

DS9
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TNG
VOY
ENT
TOS (Have yet to make it through even the second series, despite multiple attempts)

I am old enough to have a lot of affection for the original series. Many of the stories hold up really well, but you do have to allow for the style of TV making in those days.

The original series
TNG
DS9
Enterprise
Voyager

The animated series I put in a separate category as it's not generally considered canon. It is superior Saturday morning kid's fayre. It does have a couple of stories that are genuinely worthy of being canon. More Tribbles, More Troubles and Yesteryear which concerns Spock's childhood and the Guardian of Forever.

I hope Discovery will be good enough for me to put it near the top of my list!

i'm astonished how highly rated TUC is. I found it incredibly boring bar the Klingon courtroom scene and the nice nostalgic end scene. TMP is just awesome from start to finish. all opinions at the end of the day I guess.
I actually think Nemesis has a really good ending which saves it slightly for me- most of the film is really bad. Final Frontier is bad IMO but I actually think the plot had potential but I just felt the film was quite silly and "too slapstick" as someone already mentioned. I liked the fact the centre of the galaxy had a energy barrier akin to the edge of the galaxy.
-I don't think any of the reboot films are bad. they are decent action films although I honestly feel they are most star wars in nature than star trek. theres definitely something about them which misses the whole essence of trek


1. The Wrath Of Khan = 9/10
2. First Contact = 8.6/10
3. The Motion Picture (so under-rated its unreal) 8.5/10
4. The Voyage Home = 8/10
5. The Search for Spock = 7.5/10
6. Into Darkness 7.5/10
7. Generations 7.2.10
8. Star Trek = 7.1/10
9.Beyond = 6.9/10
10. Nemesis = 6/10 (generally bad but I think the ending was strong)
11. Insurrection = 5.8/10
12. The undiscovered Country 5/10 (bizarrely over-rated IMHO)
13. The Final Frontier = (good plot in principle. in practice the film was silly)

as for tv shows

1) Discovery (ok so I have an optimistic view of the future LOL)
2) TNG
3) TOS
4) DS9
5) ENT = VOY

So, at this point in time I would rate the films:

1. Undiscovered Country
2. The Voyage Home
3. Wrath of Khan
4. The Motion Picture
5. First Contact
6. Search for Spock
7. Generations
8. Star Trek 2009
9. The Final Frontier
10. Insurrection
11. Beyond
12. Nemesis
13. Into Darkness