Aside from the design of the ship, nothing I have heard is a negative to me. It looks like it will be Star Trek with stories told in the current TV storytelling style, fit for a 21 century audience.
New Star Trek Series Coming in January 2017
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Originally Posted by Fizzbin:
“Have you ever thought of writing for Star Trek?”
“Have you ever thought of writing for Star Trek?”
Yes actually, but I don't think they'd take me on.
Originally Posted by GDK:
“I wouldn't count on it. After all, it has managed to come back after both Voyager and Enterprise!”
“I wouldn't count on it. After all, it has managed to come back after both Voyager and Enterprise!”
Temporal shenanigans aside, I didn't mind Enterprise.
Originally Posted by GDK:
“Discovery is already assured financial success because of the Netflix deal, but even if it turns out to be a relative failure, Star Trek will still come back. Eventually. It's too deeply embedded in popular culture now to ever go away permanently. In that way, Star Trek in the US is like Doctor Who is in the UK and we're just about to reach the end of the equivalent of Doctor Who's 1987-2005 drought.”
“Discovery is already assured financial success because of the Netflix deal, but even if it turns out to be a relative failure, Star Trek will still come back. Eventually. It's too deeply embedded in popular culture now to ever go away permanently. In that way, Star Trek in the US is like Doctor Who is in the UK and we're just about to reach the end of the equivalent of Doctor Who's 1987-2005 drought.”
I was being sarcastic. Obviously it wont ever die.
Originally Posted by Ulsterguy:
“I want this to be a success. However, I get the feeling that it won't be. I want to be wrong there.”
“I want this to be a success. However, I get the feeling that it won't be. I want to be wrong there.”
My thoughts too.
Originally Posted by GDK:
“Aside from the design of the ship, nothing I have heard is a negative to me. It looks like it will be Star Trek with stories told in the current TV storytelling style, fit for a 21 century audience.”
“Aside from the design of the ship, nothing I have heard is a negative to me. It looks like it will be Star Trek with stories told in the current TV storytelling style, fit for a 21 century audience.”
It's the ship design that's killing it for me. As strong as the show is, if that design is the one they go with, it's going to take a lot away from the show, not just with that ship, but all the others we'll likely see as well. Just imagine if ST: Nemesis, or even ST: First Contact was shot with ships that look like something out of TOS. It would just look all wrong and yeah, I know we're in a prequel era, but that doesn't mean they need to use a ship that looks like garbage. Even the ENT era ships (NX Class, Intrepid Type and the Challenger Type) look better than the pile of shit that is the Discovery.
Originally Posted by Flash525:
“Yes actually, but I don't think they'd take me on.
Temporal shenanigans aside, I didn't mind Enterprise.
I was being sarcastic. Obviously it wont ever die.
My thoughts too.
It's the ship design that's killing it for me. As strong as the show is, if that design is the one they go with, it's going to take a lot away from the show, not just with that ship, but all the others we'll likely see as well. Just imagine if ST: Nemesis, or even ST: First Contact was shot with ships that look like something out of TOS. It would just look all wrong and yeah, I know we're in a prequel era, but that doesn't mean they need to use a ship that looks like garbage. Even the ENT era ships (NX Class, Intrepid Type and the Challenger Type) look better than the pile of shit that is the Discovery.”
“Yes actually, but I don't think they'd take me on.
Temporal shenanigans aside, I didn't mind Enterprise.
I was being sarcastic. Obviously it wont ever die.
My thoughts too.
It's the ship design that's killing it for me. As strong as the show is, if that design is the one they go with, it's going to take a lot away from the show, not just with that ship, but all the others we'll likely see as well. Just imagine if ST: Nemesis, or even ST: First Contact was shot with ships that look like something out of TOS. It would just look all wrong and yeah, I know we're in a prequel era, but that doesn't mean they need to use a ship that looks like garbage. Even the ENT era ships (NX Class, Intrepid Type and the Challenger Type) look better than the pile of shit that is the Discovery.”
Actually, Enterprise has grown on me since a re-watch last year. Voyager is by far the weakest series for me. I wasn't too fond of the NX01 design originally but I came to accept it. I do think this ship is uglier than NX01, and the ugliest mainstream Federation ship we've seen so far.
While visual appeal has its place and is important it really is secondary to character and plot. If the stories are great I can overlook the ship design.
I've just begun a re-watch of Deep Space 9 and I'm enjoying it all over again. I haven't seen it in years, apart from Trials and Tribble-ations. I kept putting off a DS9 re-watch, hoping it would get the TNG HD treatment. I've concluded that, if it's ever going to happen at all, it won't be for several years yet. 
Anyway, I'm enjoying the actual episodes. I've now watched the first 7 stories. Unlike the other Star Trek series, which stayed away from characters and any direct reference to previous shows in their early stories, while the show new characters get established, there are lots of returning characters from TNG. In the first 7 stories Picard, Vash, Q, Lursa, B'Etor. We've also had the Enterprise itself (though strangely absent of any TNG characters except Picard). In the main cast there's Chief Miles O'Brien of course and, as a recurring character again, Keiko O'Brien.
In these first few stories there have already been explorations of the pasts of Sisko, Dax and Kira and the introduction of major recurring characters Gul Dukat, Garak and Kai Opaka. It's much more character driven than TNG though still very much embedded in the TNG world.
Anyway, I'm enjoying the actual episodes. I've now watched the first 7 stories. Unlike the other Star Trek series, which stayed away from characters and any direct reference to previous shows in their early stories, while the show new characters get established, there are lots of returning characters from TNG. In the first 7 stories Picard, Vash, Q, Lursa, B'Etor. We've also had the Enterprise itself (though strangely absent of any TNG characters except Picard). In the main cast there's Chief Miles O'Brien of course and, as a recurring character again, Keiko O'Brien.
In these first few stories there have already been explorations of the pasts of Sisko, Dax and Kira and the introduction of major recurring characters Gul Dukat, Garak and Kai Opaka. It's much more character driven than TNG though still very much embedded in the TNG world.
Originally Posted by LuvJamTarts:
“Cant wait for this, Always loved star trek series.”
“Cant wait for this, Always loved star trek series.”
Same here ,does any1 know when in Jan it airs?
Originally Posted by GDK:
“And in other news...
"Balance of Terror" is a touchstone for the new series”
“And in other news...
"Balance of Terror" is a touchstone for the new series”
Interesting. Although "Balance of Terror" had the first contact between humans and Romulans for over a century (according to Spock) so I'm not sure what they're planning to do in the years before TOS when Discovery is set.
Maybe some top secret missions into the Neutral Zone to see what the Romulans were up to? That might put a new twist on Trek to have a starship or a Starfleet crew going on covert off-the-book missions rather than seeking out new life etc.
Originally Posted by Eraserhead:
“Interesting. Although "Balance of Terror" had the first contact between humans and Romulans for over a century (according to Spock) so I'm not sure what they're planning to do in the years before TOS when Discovery is set.”
“Interesting. Although "Balance of Terror" had the first contact between humans and Romulans for over a century (according to Spock) so I'm not sure what they're planning to do in the years before TOS when Discovery is set.”
As this show is a prequel, they'll be wanting to stick to the lore and not further screw up continuity, so any interaction between the Federation and Romulans will likely involve Section 31, and some high ranking intelligence official making it quite clear that nobody aboard the Discovery is allowed to discuss the event/mission.
Originally Posted by Redunited:
“pushed to may2017, fugg off all because of the good wife spin off nonsense. This is not happening.”
“pushed to may2017, fugg off all because of the good wife spin off nonsense. This is not happening.”
Wrong. It's being delayed so that more time can be spent on making sure the finished product is what they envisage. The Good Wife spin-off is merely taking it's broadcast slot. It is happening and for good reasons. It's a shame there will be a slightly longer wait but if it's for the best then so be it.
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/star...te-1201860613/
Kudos to the poster earlier in the thread who was questioning whether they had given themselves enough time to do this.
Does seem odd though; maybe one of the actors they cast was unavailable until later.
Does seem odd though; maybe one of the actors they cast was unavailable until later.
I wonder if they have seen some of the fan comments and thought we need a bit more time to polish the story and concepts, including the ship.
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“Actually as i've rewatched Voyager over the years i've grown to like the characters a little bit more each time. I see what they were trying with Nelix but they just needed to reign him in a bit. And his relationship with Kes was just wrong. Similarly Kim was supposed to be character who we could relate to but I think he was just miscast.
These days my main feelings are that Chakotay was completely wasted - he should have been a lot more combative rather than being Friendzoned by Janeway - and that B'Lana was too weak a character for a Klingon.”
“Actually as i've rewatched Voyager over the years i've grown to like the characters a little bit more each time. I see what they were trying with Nelix but they just needed to reign him in a bit. And his relationship with Kes was just wrong. Similarly Kim was supposed to be character who we could relate to but I think he was just miscast.
These days my main feelings are that Chakotay was completely wasted - he should have been a lot more combative rather than being Friendzoned by Janeway - and that B'Lana was too weak a character for a Klingon.”
Been re-watching Voyager on Netflix after such a long time and I agree, especially with Chakotay. He went from a main character to a supporting role as the seasons went along. I'll always have a soft spot for this series over the others though, who doesn't like a Homeward Bound story? Though Ronald D Moore was right about the ship and the crew, Voyager needed to show a bit more wear and tear as time went on.
I never cared for Enterprise at all, Trip Tucker and Dr Neel...I mean Phlox especially
Originally Posted by swills:
“New Jan 2017 series of ST has been put back to May 2017”
“New Jan 2017 series of ST has been put back to May 2017”
If anybody remembers, I did wonder earlier at the lack of casting information, plot lines and set hints. Putting it back only reinforces my opinion STD is going to be s lemon.
Originally Posted by Redunited:
“pushed to may2017, fugg off all because of the good wife spin off nonsense. This is not happening.”
“pushed to may2017, fugg off all because of the good wife spin off nonsense. This is not happening.”
Originally Posted by malcy86:
“Wrong. It's being delayed so that more time can be spent on making sure the finished product is what they envisage. The Good Wife spin-off is merely taking it's broadcast slot. It is happening and for good reasons. It's a shame there will be a slightly longer wait but if it's for the best then so be it.”
“Wrong. It's being delayed so that more time can be spent on making sure the finished product is what they envisage. The Good Wife spin-off is merely taking it's broadcast slot. It is happening and for good reasons. It's a shame there will be a slightly longer wait but if it's for the best then so be it.”
Originally Posted by swills:
“New Jan 2017 series of ST has been put back to May 2017”
“New Jan 2017 series of ST has been put back to May 2017”
Hardly surprising considering how little information has been released thus far.
Originally Posted by blueisthecolour:
“Does seem odd though; maybe one of the actors they cast was unavailable until later.”
“Does seem odd though; maybe one of the actors they cast was unavailable until later.”
Maybe they've not cast anyone, and suddenly realise they need too?
I'm hoping one of the reasons for this is to (re)design that ship.
Originally Posted by Ulsterguy:
“Is there an official reason for the retiming?”
“Is there an official reason for the retiming?”
According to the article:
"CBS executives stressed that the delay was driven by the need to give the “Star Trek” creative team more time to meet expectations for the series, particularly with special effects. "
“We aim to dream big and deliver, and that means making sure the demands of physical and post-production for a show that takes place entirely in space, and the need to meet an air date, don’t result in compromised quality. Before heading into production, we evaluated these realities with our partners at CBS and they agreed: ‘Star Trek’ deserves the very best, and these extra few months will help us achieve a vision we can all be proud of.”
As for the fact that they don't have a cast yet, they did specifically say that that wasn't the reason for the delay.
Originally Posted by Pob-Bundy:
“Been re-watching Voyager on Netflix after such a long time and I agree, especially with Chakotay. He went from a main character to a supporting role as the seasons went along. I'll always have a soft spot for this series over the others though, who doesn't like a Homeward Bound story? Though Ronald D Moore was right about the ship and the crew, Voyager needed to show a bit more wear and tear as time went on.
I never cared for Enterprise at all, Trip Tucker and Dr Neel...I mean Phlox especially”
“Been re-watching Voyager on Netflix after such a long time and I agree, especially with Chakotay. He went from a main character to a supporting role as the seasons went along. I'll always have a soft spot for this series over the others though, who doesn't like a Homeward Bound story? Though Ronald D Moore was right about the ship and the crew, Voyager needed to show a bit more wear and tear as time went on.
I never cared for Enterprise at all, Trip Tucker and Dr Neel...I mean Phlox especially
”
It seemed to me that Chakotay lost focus as a character once the marquis integrated into the crew and he fully accepted Janeway. The romance with Seven towards the end was the very definition of 'tacked-on'.
I will watch Voyager over Enterprise any day of the week. It was such a bad show.
Originally Posted by Ulsterguy:
“Is there an official reason for the retiming?”
“Is there an official reason for the retiming?”
Whatever they say, I think at heart it was "they only had three scripts written".
Everything else (including casting) got knocked over like dominoes as a result, I'd bet. It could have gone ahead without all 13 episodes written, I suppose, but a measly 3 wasn't nearly enough.
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