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Never been a fan of the fan films. They tend to be dire. Even the more professional ones with actual actors have an awkward feel to them - like the actors know they're scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
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Never been a fan of the fan films. They tend to be dire. Even the more professional ones with actual actors have an awkward feel to them - like the actors know they're scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
Prelude to Axanar was enjoyable. Something different. |
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Never been a fan of the fan films. They tend to be dire. Even the more professional ones with actual actors have an awkward feel to them - like the actors know they're scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
![]() But Prelude was a cut above in my opinion. Some of the dialogue was a bit 'am-dram' at times but generally speaking there was a good pace with some interesting plot. |
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Prelude to Axanar is the only fan film (or lead in to one) that I've ever watched and thought that it could be half decent. I've not seen of Gods and Men, but both Horizon and Renegades were terrible in my opinion; I know they were fan films with a lower budget, but god, everything about them was unbelievably tacky.
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Prelude to Axanar is the only fan film (or lead in to one) that I've ever watched and thought that it could be half decent. I've not seen of Gods and Men, but both Horizon and Renegades were terrible in my opinion; I know they were fan films with a lower budget, but god, everything about them was unbelievably tacky.
Okay, the acting isn't great, but Vic Mignogna is hilarious as Kirk. He's obviously studied Shatner's performance in great detail; he gets a lot of the little nuances that only someone who's watched the original series umpteen times would spot. The stories are a bit too preachy for me (Vic's a born-again Christian), but they're very enjoyable as homages to the OS. I did used to like the New Voyages/Phase II episodes (even though Kirk appeared to be played by Shakin' Stevens) but "...Continues" has surpassed them in terms of enjoyability. I've had a look at Renegades on youtube but had to stop after five minutes, it was that awful. |
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The best ones at the moment are the Star Trek Continues episodes. The production values are incredibly faithful to the original series; sometimes it's almost like watching a long lost original episode. The sets and lighting are perfect, and the use of the original incidental music brings a rush of nostalgia. As someone who is old enough to have been brought up on the original series I can appreciate the effort that has been put into these productions.
Okay, the acting isn't great, but Vic Mignogna is hilarious as Kirk. He's obviously studied Shatner's performance in great detail; he gets a lot of the little nuances that only someone who's watched the original series umpteen times would spot. The stories are a bit too preachy for me (Vic's a born-again Christian), but they're very enjoyable as homages to the OS. I did used to like the New Voyages/Phase II episodes (even though Kirk appeared to be played by Shakin' Stevens) but "...Continues" has surpassed them in terms of enjoyability. I've had a look at Renegades on youtube but had to stop after five minutes, it was that awful. |
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The best ones at the moment are the Star Trek Continues episodes. The production values are incredibly faithful to the original series; sometimes it's almost like watching a long lost original episode. The sets and lighting are perfect, and the use of the original incidental music brings a rush of nostalgia. As someone who is old enough to have been brought up on the original series I can appreciate the effort that has been put into these productions.
Okay, the acting isn't great, but Vic Mignogna is hilarious as Kirk. He's obviously studied Shatner's performance in great detail; he gets a lot of the little nuances that only someone who's watched the original series umpteen times would spot. The stories are a bit too preachy for me (Vic's a born-again Christian), but they're very enjoyable as homages to the OS. I did used to like the New Voyages/Phase II episodes (even though Kirk appeared to be played by Shakin' Stevens) but "...Continues" has surpassed them in terms of enjoyability. Quote:
Have you tried Romulan Wars
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I grew up with TNG, so I never got the TOS nostalgia. Even to this day, I can't enjoyably watch an episode of TOS; too dated for me.
It's still the only incarnation of Trek I can happily watch over & over again (which I am at the moment with the BluRays). |
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That's a lot of the appeal, it has a charm that's missing from TNG et al because it was made in a so-called more innocent time. Of course the acid-inspired colour schemes, miniskirts & hairdos, and the overly-dramatic direction all scream 'The 1960s' which may be too camp and dated for younger viewers. But for me, it was exciting and thought-provoking to watch as a child; in my 20s it was camp fun to watch with a group after a night out clubbing (and a bit *erm* worse for wear, shall we say).
It's still the only incarnation of Trek I can happily watch over & over again (which I am at the moment with the BluRays). It's odd though because I really enjoy the films. |
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I don't know if it's a strictly generational thing or whether different tastes come into it as well but I find TOS completely unwatchable. I tried my best to get into it and made it all the way to halfway through season 2 before giving up.
It's odd though because I really enjoy the films. I'm impressed that you watched as many as you did, given that you weren't enjoying them. ![]() Are there any TV series from the 60s that you do enjoy? I've a feeling it's more the style of episodic TV from that era that you don't enjoy, rather than Star Trek itself. |
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^^Agree! There aren't that many truly loved characters from the later series compared to TOS and that's why that era still has legs. Take TNG, there's Picard, Worf and Data who are loved (Q too probably) but are Riker, Troi, Geordie and the Crushers. In Voyager, 7of9 is loved of course but anyone else? Deep Space Nine, anyone at all? Enterprise, anyone? The hot Vulcan?
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^^Agree! There aren't that many truly loved characters from the later series compared to TOS and that's why that era still has legs. Take TNG, there's Picard, Worf and Data who are loved (Q too probably) but are Riker, Troi, Geordie and the Crushers. In Voyager, 7of9 is loved of course but anyone else? Deep Space Nine, anyone at all? Enterprise, anyone? The hot Vulcan?
![]() Personally, I like most of the characters in DS9, they're a lot more complex than in the other series. |
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^^Agree! There aren't that many truly loved characters from the later series compared to TOS and that's why that era still has legs. Take TNG, there's Picard, Worf and Data who are loved (Q too probably) but are Riker, Troi, Geordie and the Crushers. In Voyager, 7of9 is loved of course but anyone else? Deep Space Nine, anyone at all? Enterprise, anyone? The hot Vulcan?
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I knew people would call me out!
Yeah I suppose it is pretty subjective on loved characters but I loved Picard!!
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It's odd though because I really enjoy the films.
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^^Agree! There aren't that many truly loved characters from the later series compared to TOS and that's why that era still has legs. Take TNG, there's Picard, Worf and Data who are loved (Q too probably) but are Riker, Troi, Geordie and the Crushers. In Voyager, 7of9 is loved of course but anyone else? Deep Space Nine, anyone at all? Enterprise, anyone? The hot Vulcan?
As per Enterprise, I'd say Trip was the one guy you felt for the most if you followed the storylines, and (similarly to Garak in DS9), Shran was an excellent character in ENT. |
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TNG didn't allow the characters to express much humour till they went to the movies - starting with the dunking of Worf in Generations. And then Crusher by Data. I disagreed with Geordi - I thought it was funny.
![]() I'm re-watching DS9 at the moment (nearing the end of Season 2), and I have to admit the characters are far better developed than TNG and one result of that is that there is more humour. Odo and Quark especially, but you also have Bashir and Dax, Bashir and O'Brien and Bashir and Garak. DS9 explores the backgrounds of the main characters well too and, even before Worf's arrival and the Dominion War arc, there are several long running threads. I'm also amazed at just how many character appearances from TNG and references to events in TNG there are (and even the original series - I've just watched Crossover). Quite the opposite of TNG. Berman and Roddenberry felt TNG had to establish itself separately from the orginal series at first. There's just one cameo and one reference to the original series in the whole of TNG's first season. Voyager awaits a re-watch, but I think generally it handled its characters very badly, Maybe it's because I was at a certain age when I first watched the original series, but in my book, none of them can hold a candle to Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
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This new show on CBS all access is now pushed back to May 2017, never heard of a major series in the States being launched in late Spring. Not a good sign, with it only being available to see on subscription streaming services in the the US and Europe, it looks doomed from the get go.
CBS got badly burned by the rating flop of Star Trek Enterprises and Voyager was not stellar either, looks like they are playing safe and attempting to avoid making a loss. |
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Yeah that was announced about the middle of September that Star Trek Discovery was being pushed back to May 2017 as CBS said they didn't want to compromise on quality by rushing it to an air date!
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This new show on CBS all access is now pushed back to May 2017, never heard of a major series in the States being launched in late Spring. Not a good sign, with it only being available to see on subscription streaming services in the the US and Europe, it looks doomed from the get go.
CBS got badly burned by the rating flop of Star Trek Enterprises and Voyager was not stellar either, looks like they are playing safe and attempting to avoid making a loss. |
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This new show on CBS all access is now pushed back to May 2017, never heard of a major series in the States being launched in late Spring. Not a good sign, with it only being available to see on subscription streaming services in the the US and Europe, it looks doomed from the get go.
CBS got badly burned by the rating flop of Star Trek Enterprises and Voyager was not stellar either, looks like they are playing safe and attempting to avoid making a loss. |
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That's overly negative. If CBS really felt that way they wouldn't be making it all.
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You do know the show is already in profit? Netflix paid buckets for it sight unseen.
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They'll buy anything at the moment which is why they'll probably be out of business before they ever get to show it! Bubble's gonna burst one day for online TV and possibly quite soon.
Besides Netflix know exactly what it's subscribers are watching and so have a very good idea of what a show is worth. This is why they weren't willing to outbid Amazon for the new Top Gear (Grand Tour). |
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They'll buy anything at the moment which is why they'll probably be out of business before they ever get to show it! .
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They'll buy anything at the moment which is why they'll probably be out of business before they ever get to show it! Bubble's gonna burst one day for online TV and possibly quite soon.
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