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Old 03-01-2017, 12:37
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DS9 is fine. I've been re-watching lately and it's by far the strongest opener of all the Star Trek's. Good drama from the get go, with some careful development of the antagonists that would feature heavily in later seasons.

The only thing that really lets it down in the 21st century is the absence of an HD remastering and blu ray release a la TNG. Sadly there's currently no prospect of that happening. Sales of TNG on blu ray were not successful enough, apparently.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:13
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I fear for all Trek fans that just like big the Orange fella, the new series may be a big puff ball of nothingness. If you take a look at the Voyager and Deep Space Nine episodes now, most of them look exactly the same and and are comatose-inducing viewing.
DS9 is the best stsr trek imo.
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Old 03-01-2017, 23:30
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What UK channel will this be on as its on CBS All Access in the US?
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Old 04-01-2017, 01:19
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What UK channel will this be on as its on CBS All Access in the US?
Netflix. They have international rights to it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:44
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DS9 is the best stsr trek imo.
Indisputably but it had a bit of shaky start if we're all totally honest! It definitely improves series by series.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:53
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Indisputably but it had a bit of shaky start if we're all totally honest! It definitely improves series by series.
Shaky start as in not yet reaching its fuller potential, yet still the strongest start of any of the "modern-era" series (TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT)
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:47
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Shaky start as in not yet reaching its fuller potential, yet still the strongest start of any of the "modern-era" series (TNG, DS9, VOY & ENT)
Voyager had the best pilot.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:49
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Voyager had the best pilot.
This I actually agree with. The Voyager Pilot and Message in a Bottle were two of it's finest episodes. Shame the same can't be said for the rest of the show.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:52
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Voyager had the best pilot.
Voyager's was ok, for me DS9's Emissary was the best pilot.
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Old 04-01-2017, 22:37
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In other news . . . . it looks like the fan film production Axanar is likely to lose it's court case against CBS/Paramount (the one they announced would be dropped just before Star Trek Beyond came out but then changed their minds afterwards).

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr...y-trial-960703

Their main defense (that it was fair use) was rejected and now it's going to come down to a jury trial to decide the seemingly obvious point of whether Axanar is "Star Trek" or not. Though thankfully for the Axanar team the damages awarded should be pretty low.

It hasn't happened yet but it seemed inevitable to me that Axanar would lose this court case from the start. Otherwise it would a fundamental attack on the current concept on copyright.
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In other news . . . . it looks like the fan film production Axanar is likely to lose it's court case against CBS/Paramount (the one they announced would be dropped just before Star Trek Beyond came out but then changed their minds afterwards).
That's a shame. I don't know the full story (regarding the producer(s) of Axanar benefiting from the funding, but for CBS/Paramount to shut it down for any other reason is just anal of them, and everyone who is half interested in Trek is going to know about it.
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Good decision.
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Is it?
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Yeah, no one is stopping them playing Star Trek in their garage though.
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That's a shame. I don't know the full story (regarding the producer(s) of Axanar benefiting from the funding, but for CBS/Paramount to shut it down for any other reason is just anal of them, and everyone who is half interested in Trek is going to know about it.
I don't think anyone outside of the groups involved knows the full story.

What I would say is that I think the motives of the people involved in Axanar were generally good. They saw a gap in the market to create a form of Star Trek that appeals to the fans but wasn't amateurish. The 'proof of concept' they produced (Prelude to Axanar) was just a fantastic example Trek story telling and it gave thousands of donors hope that a full length film could be done.

However . . . . I think it's fair to say that they very much blurred the line between fan film and commercial enterprise. The crowd funding campaigns were for vast sums of money and they simply weren't open with what they were doing. Backers of the first Kickstarter campaign no doubt assumed it was to produce the film (well the main 'award' was a BluRay of it) when in reality it was just to build an independent studio where the film could be made. And the next Indiegogo campaign was for only the first part of the film. It seems obviously to me that they were effectively 'selling' the film and other Trek merchandise to fans through these campaigns in order to complete a professional project.

So I was completely unsurprised to see that CBS eventually taking action to shut it down and ward off other similar projects. I would have loved to seen Axanar, i'm sure it would have been great. But people are being naive if they didn't see it for the copyright nightmare that it was for CBS. You would have hoped that the studio would have had the sense to take this project in-house and produce it itself given all the good-will for it - but no one knows if that was offered to the Axanar people or not.

I feel sorry most for all the backers, some of them who pledged thousands of dollars to be in the film, because they are never going to get their reward. And I have sympathy for the Axanar team but really they should have found a way to end this as soon as the CBS action started. Fighting it was just a vanity project.
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Yeah, no one is stopping them playing Star Trek in their garage though.
Did you have something against the project?

I don't think anyone outside of the groups involved knows the full story.
You're probably right. I wonder if the rest of us ever will.

What I would say is that I think the motives of the people involved in Axanar were generally good. They saw a gap in the market to create a form of Star Trek that appeals to the fans but wasn't amateurish. The 'proof of concept' they produced (Prelude to Axanar) was just a fantastic example Trek story telling and it gave thousands of donors hope that a full length film could be done.
Indeed. The prelude was brilliant.

I feel sorry most for all the backers, some of them who pledged thousands of dollars to be in the film, because they are never going to get their reward. And I have sympathy for the Axanar team but really they should have found a way to end this as soon as the CBS action started. Fighting it was just a vanity project.
Heh, yeah, realistically, considering the money and power involved, there was little chance of them winning. It is though, as you've said, a shame, especially as it had the support of many Trek actors too; many of which did cameos for the prelude. I guess, ultimately, the power got to their heads (the project team) a little bit, and they didn't fully anticipate (or understand) the consequences until it was too late?

Thought I wasn't a huge fan of TOS, I do think this project had huge potential. One of the things I was hoping to see with Star Trek III (the new one) was a battle with Klingons, but we didn't get that, and we wont get it with Axanar either, not now. Hopefully Star Trek IV will work out!
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Did you have something against the project?
I'm not fan of these fan made projects, they're bottom of the barrel stuff.

Thought I wasn't a huge fan of TOS, I do think this project had huge potential. One of the things I was hoping to see with Star Trek III (the new one) was a battle with Klingons, but we didn't get that, and we wont get it with Axanar either, not now. Hopefully Star Trek IV will work out!
DS9's The Way of the Warrior had a great battle with the Klingons, as well as hand to hand combat. There were other pretty epic space battles throughout the series, also involving the Klingons.
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I'm not fan of these fan made projects, they're bottom of the barrel stuff.
Most of them are, I'll agree, but Axanar seemed to be of a higher level.

DS9's The Way of the Warrior had a great battle with the Klingons, as well as hand to hand combat. There were other pretty epic space battles throughout the series, also involving the Klingons.
Klingons (whilst still awesome characters) were too tame and too known throughout DS9 & TNG. With TOS, they were more mysterious, and with the rebooted universe, the writers could have really gone to town on them. There's a deleted scene from Star Trek where a bunch of Klingon ships intercept the Narada, and they're all talking if Klingon, but it's not the barking-like language we see in TNG/DS9, it's much more fluid, and really adds character to the species.

That, and I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Constitution Class starship fighting some D7 Warbirds.
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Prelude to Axanar was visually very good. Up to pro standards, I'd say. But the content wasn't. For me it was over long and self indulgent (fans usually have trouble cutting things that need to be trimmed for pace).

A lot of it was "talking heads" (no doubt to keep the most of the visuals simple and cheap), filmed as historical documentary interviews with the main players after the events that would have been shown in the full film. This worked well for the human and Vulcan characters, not so much for the Klingon characters.

The full film might have been good and it certainly would have been nice to see a bit of Star Trek lore filled in.

Though Rogue One has done it for Star Wars fans, I can't see the makers of Star Trek ever doing a bit of fan service and filling in a piece of missing "historical" background in this way.
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Klingons (whilst still awesome characters) were too tame and too known throughout DS9 & TNG. With TOS, they were more mysterious, and with the rebooted universe, the writers could have really gone to town on them. There's a deleted scene from Star Trek where a bunch of Klingon ships intercept the Narada, and they're all talking if Klingon, but it's not the barking-like language we see in TNG/DS9, it's much more fluid, and really adds character to the species.

That, and I wouldn't mind seeing more than one Constitution Class starship fighting some D7 Warbirds.
Well known sure, but tame, in comparison to...what-could-be? Thinking along those lines renders just about everything tame.

I've never delved too deeply into the whole Klingon culture, but it is an actual language. Some klingongs are just posher than others; in The Undiscovered Country Christopher Plumber's General Chang was suaver than other Klingons. Some of the Klingons the in Rura Penthe deleted scene sound just as rough as the DS9/TNG Klingons.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pchkWmhCMXM
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Prelude to Axanar was visually very good. Up to pro standards, I'd say. But the content wasn't. For me it was over long and self indulgent (fans usually have trouble cutting things that need to be trimmed for pace).

A lot of it was "talking heads" (no doubt to keep the most of the visuals simple and cheap), filmed as historical documentary interviews with the main players after the events that would have been shown in the full film. This worked well for the human and Vulcan characters, not so much for the Klingon characters.

The full film might have been good and it certainly would have been nice to see a bit of Star Trek lore filled in.

Though Rogue One has done it for Star Wars fans, I can't see the makers of Star Trek ever doing a bit of fan service and filling in a piece of missing "historical" background in this way.
Obviously these things are subjective but I loved 'Prelude' and it seemed to have a lot of support among the fans.

Though talking of filling in Trek lore - obviously that's what STD is going to be doing. From the sounds of it they are going to be covering the same ground as Axanar (which explains further why CBS intervened.).
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Well known sure, but tame, in comparison to...what-could-be? Thinking along those lines renders just about everything tame.

I've never delved too deeply into the whole Klingon culture, but it is an actual language. Some klingongs are just posher than others; in The Undiscovered Country Christopher Plumber's General Chang was suaver than other Klingons. Some of the Klingons the in Rura Penthe deleted scene sound just as rough as the DS9/TNG Klingons.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pchkWmhCMXM
Yes, well that's the duality with the Klingons isn't it. One one side they are a vicious, merciless warrior race but on the other they have a strict sense of honour, a love of class and a passion for the arts and life. They are like a medieval English royal family as portrayed by Shakespear
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Yes, well that's the duality with the Klingons isn't it. One one side they are a vicious, merciless warrior race but on the other they have a strict sense of honour, a love of class and a passion for the arts and life. They are like a medieval English royal family as portrayed by Shakespear
True, though I like to compare them more with Vikings. Watching the series (Vikings), they are vicious are ferocious, with a strong sense of honour and spiritual beliefs (similar belies about the afterlife also).
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Obviously these things are subjective but I loved 'Prelude' and it seemed to have a lot of support among the fans.

Though talking of filling in Trek lore - obviously that's what STD is going to be doing. From the sounds of it they are going to be covering the same ground as Axanar (which explains further why CBS intervened.).
YMMV, of course. I'd agree as an appetite whetter it served its purpose well.

As for ST: DSC, yes, the Battle of Axanar could be within its time frame. ST: DSC is said to be set 10 years before Kirk (is that before his birth? before he joined Starfleet? Before he captained the Enterprise?) Exactly when the Battle took place is not well defined, but it seems a tad short for the battle to become required reading by the time Kirk gets to the academy. We can't be sure of Garth's age in Whom Gods Destroy. You can't go off his appearance due to the cellular regeneration technique given to him.
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YMMV, of course. I'd agree as an appetite whetter it served its purpose well.

As for ST: DSC, yes, the Battle of Axanar could be within its time frame. ST: DSC is said to be set 10 years before Kirk (is that before his birth? before he joined Starfleet? Before he captained the Enterprise?) Exactly when the Battle took place is not well defined, but it seems a tad short for the battle to become required reading by the time Kirk gets to the academy. We can't be sure of Garth's age in Whom Gods Destroy. You can't go off his appearance due to the cellular regeneration technique given to him.

I suppose the blunt answer to that is the battle takes place whenever CBS says it takes place

Unless a piece of Trek history is very well known I imagine that the show will just skate round it. I mean, they wouldn't show Starfleet officers meeting Romulans because it's a key plot point of a TOS episode and they made the effort to not do so in Enterprise. But whether they worry about continuity with the odd line of dialogue or people's ages is another matter. Wasn't zefram cochrane supposed to be in his early 30s in First Contract?
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