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Old 21-02-2016, 11:55
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have to say i'm disappointed with the scarcity of news coming out on this show.
It was only been a couple of weeks ago that it was announced that Bryan Fuller would be running the show.
I was thinking the other day about 2 things i'd like to see with this new show. 2 things I've always been a little disappointed with the trek shows to date: we've never really seen the captain have a sustained romance and we never really see a technologically futuristic earth.
*not that I would want it to be the main focus of the show but I would like to see the captain have a sustained love interest with a fellow main cast member. i'd actually like to see it go where picard-beverley hinted at but ultimately never went.
Sisko had a 4 year relationship with Kassidy.

*also it always struck me that earths landscape never really looked that futuristic. I mean you had all these FTL starships and gigantic starbases and yet earth itself never really looked that advanced. look at back to the future 2 (incidentally one of my all-time fav films) and look at how advanced they made 2015 look-LOL. and star trek is set hundreds of years into the future. for the occasional earth-based episodes i'd like to see them be adventurous- flying cars, gravity trains, hoverboards... u name it
The TV shows usually didn't have the budget for that kind of stuff so we got the usual stock footage of Starfleet Academy. Narratively, the non-futuristic styles would seem to indicate that the population of Earth enjoyed traditional designs and lifestyles, probably to reinforce their utopian delusion.
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Old 21-02-2016, 12:04
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^^ Earth in the JJ films sure looked more futuristic
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Old 21-02-2016, 12:14
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^^ Earth in the JJ films sure looked more futuristic
Shhhst, he doesn't like those, you're gonna make him cry.
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Old 21-02-2016, 12:21
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Sisko had a 4 year relationship with Kassidy.


The TV shows usually didn't have the budget for that kind of stuff so we got the usual stock footage of Starfleet Academy. .
*Kassidy didn't count for me. she wasn't a main cast member. and she only came into like half way through. I was quite specific when I said "main cast member" in my post. also VOY hinted at a love triangle between janeway-chakotay-seven but again it flattered to deceive.
*yeah I suspected budget could be a reason. I certainly wouldn't have expected the 60s show to have demonstrated a futuristic look but given the improvement in special FX i'm surprised that the 90s shows and Enterprise didn't really do it. with current special effects surely they could do it now. they could even make earth look something like Coruscant from star wars.
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Old 21-02-2016, 12:26
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Shhhst, he doesn't like those, you're gonna make him cry.
I don't mind those films at all. both are decent action films but they ultimately don't really have that bona fide trek feel to me.

yes he is correct though- the abrams films do give earth a futuristic look
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Old 21-02-2016, 12:48
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*Kassidy didn't count for me. she wasn't a main cast member. and she only came into like half way through. I was quite specific when I said "main cast member" in my post. also VOY hinted at a love triangle between janeway-chakotay-seven but again it flattered to deceive.
If you want to hold on to traditional views of what a main cast member is that's your prerogative, but it would be innaproptiate to do so here. Within the Star Trek universe DS9 redefined the meaning of "main cast member". Many of the "supporting" cast played more pivotal roles than the supposed main cast, and were certainly more interesting and engaging than some of main characters (from any Trek series). Kassidy played an important part in Sisko's life, their relationship lead to important and far reaching decisions.
they could even make earth look something like Coruscant from star wars.
That would go against their utopian outlook. All that fast living and traffic would lead to stress, road rage etc. Having less futuristic landscapes allows more room for greenery, tying into a one with nature utopian outlook ideology.
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Old 21-02-2016, 13:11
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I;m not really bothered about the semantics of main cast member. but not being in the opening credits is a starting point.
sorry I'm not counting Kassidy. I doubt she was even in more than a dozen episodes. I mean a bona fide romance which is hinted at as early as the pilot episode. or at least the first season. its just something I would personally like to see.


*I take your utopian point. maybe coruscant was a bit OTT. but definitely a few flying cars in the background. a space elevator perhaps. maybe a subterrean city in the ocean. something like elon musks Hyperloop might be cool. just something which shows that technology on earth parallels the space technology. the stock footage of Starfleet academy gets boring after a while though.

also maybe show what mars is like. show how it has been terraformed into a green world. that might be an interesting subplot. maybe a couple of jupiters moons could have been colonised aswell.
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Old 21-02-2016, 13:40
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I;m not really bothered about the semantics of main cast member. but not being in the opening credits is a starting point.
Well if they did that the opening credits would probably take up 20 minutes. Again, all part of DS9 redefining the trek rules.
sorry I'm not counting Kassidy. I doubt she was even in more than a dozen episodes. I mean a bona fide romance which is hinted at as early as the pilot episode. or at least the first season. its just something I would personally like to see.
I think she was only in about 15 or so, but the relationship went on for 4 years, even though she was in prison for a while. Anyway, as mentioned, whether you want to count her as a main cast member in the traditional sense that's your prerogative. (We also had the O'Brian's of course, but you won't be counting them either I suspect).

I think if you're going to have a relationship, say from season 1, with two major central protagonists, it would be highly unlikely the relationship would be a constant throuout the series. Good drama and writing demands character and relationship (of any kind) development. They got away with an ongoing relationship like the O'Brians' because even though they were arguably main/important cast, neither of them were "the big two". We couldn't really get away with that kind of ongoing, plodding along relationship if it was, say, the Captain and the First Officer. Even the Sisko / Kassidy relationship had several important bumps in the road.
*I take your utopian point. maybe coruscant was a bit OTT. but definitely a few flying cars in the background. a space elevator perhaps. maybe a subterrean city in the ocean. something like elon musks Hyperloop might be cool. just something which shows that technology on earth parallels the space technology. the stock footage of Starfleet academy gets boring after a while though.
Narratively I think it made sense for them to deliverately avoid landscapes that paralleled space technology on earth (it was there, some still used transporters and replicators, it just wasn't predominant).
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Old 21-02-2016, 13:52
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i'm not counting the o'briens because O'Brien wasn't a captain. I said captain. their romance was fine in my book and added to the show. infact O'Brien and Bashirs bromance was quite good as well-LOL.


I agree with a point u made. I would have it as a reoccurring storyline but I would not 'BOG DOWN' the show with it.
personally I would subtly hint at it in the pilot. i'd probably wait until about the 3rd season before they even got together then break them up after about 6 months. i'd sporadically revisit the topic very occasionally and then have a tragic romeo/Juliet ending in the finale episode. like maybe the love interest dies. something like that.

*oh that leads me to another point. i'd actually like the writers to be more ruthless with killing big characters. not the captain but beyond that anyone could possibly go. I think Tasha and dax were only killed because the actresses themselves wanted to leave the show not because the writers decided to kill them.
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Old 21-02-2016, 14:02
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We'll Always have Paris showed a tube transport system going under the Eiffel Tower - http://www.smikesworld.dk/smworld/st...ris-screen.jpg

ISTR a similar one going over Golden Gate Bridge in some other episode.
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Old 21-02-2016, 16:42
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We'll Always have Paris showed a tube transport system going under the Eiffel Tower - http://www.smikesworld.dk/smworld/st...ris-screen.jpg
No, no, that's just Picard looking at some painting.
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Old 21-02-2016, 17:02
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No, no, that's just Picard looking at some painting.
It was in the Holodeck

https://youtu.be/PZvo2Wl3kck?t=1m22s

Odd really, as his ex was more interested in California Dreaming...
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Old 21-02-2016, 17:08
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I think I recall an episode for enterprise where archer looks out of a window and it looked like a few flying cars were cruising about. in the final episode of TNG oxford university looked slightly futuristic. that's about it. i'm scratching my head for other examples.
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Old 22-02-2016, 13:18
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Aren't Starfleet captains forbidden from having relationships with their subordinates?
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Old 22-02-2016, 15:06
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Aren't Starfleet captains forbidden from having relationships with their subordinates?
I don't believe it's forbidden by regulation. However the episode Lessons makes it clear it might not be such a good idea for several reasons - at least not when serving on the same starship.
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Old 22-02-2016, 20:41
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who says it has to be someone serving on the same ship?

to be fair even if it were forbidden that could be the whole story arc- the fact that the rules keep them apart. tragic love story.
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Old 22-02-2016, 20:46
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who says it has to be someone serving on the same ship?

to be fair even if it were forbidden that could be the whole story arc- the fact that the rules keep them apart. tragic love story.
Sounds awful. No thank you.
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Old 23-02-2016, 00:34
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who says it has to be someone serving on the same ship?

to be fair even if it were forbidden that could be the whole story arc- the fact that the rules keep them apart. tragic love story.
Err, no-one?

I was merely responding to a question.

As for love stories, that's always been something Star Trek has traditionally steered clear of, never really going into relationships in any great depth. Even when a regular is involved you can usually assume it's the love-of-the-week only, and never to be seen or heard from again. The loved one is either tragically dead or "moving on" by the end of the episode. Not exclusively, but usually.

A hangover from 60s and 70s episodic TV.

Call it Kirk's legacy.

Of course, there's no reason for that to remain the same in any new series, especially as TV has itself moved on to linked story telling with multiple threads and arcs running over many episodes and seasons.
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Old 23-02-2016, 07:18
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exactly that's the point. its not really been done before so its something I wouldn't mind them experimenting with.
like you point out towards the end of your post- things change. Television evolves! one example is that TV is more serialised now- it wouldn't shock me to see this ST series far more serialised than ones in the past. (DS9 the exception)


as I stated quite a few times though I DEFINITELY wouldn't bog the show down with the storyline. i'd have it just like picard-beverley storyline. loosely hint at it in the first episode .i.e 'encounter at farpoint' where you could see some sexual tension between them & then occasionally bring it up now and again throughout the show. the same thing happened with ryker & Troi (albeit ryker obviously wasn't a captain). although I would actually make them hook-up unlike picard & Beverley.

I think a relationship would actually really help explore the depth and humanity of the captains character.
we can't do the whole childless thing- picard already did that and mastered it. sisko did the father-son thing, janeway mopped about her husband and kirk was just a james bond playboy in space. archer I can't recall have a relationship longer than one episode.
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Old 23-02-2016, 10:21
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I wouldn't be concerned too much if there was a romance arc, but maybe more something alike Jack & Sam in Stargate; a mutual attraction that doesn't come full circle long-term because of position or whatever?

I'd rather a new show focus on exploration, and thought-provoking stories. One of the reasons I loved ST:Enterprise was because it touched more on the darker aspects of humanity. I don't know when (what century) the new show will be set in, but we need something darker than the lighter tone that is TOS & TNG.

I want to see angry Klingons, true xenophobic Tholians, and a full-time Andorian crew member. Would also prefer that any alien we see isn't a one-time occurance. Many of the other shows had a new species being the focus of an entire episode, I'd rather said [new] species come and go throughout the new show, rather than it being a new species of the week type thing.
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Old 23-02-2016, 13:00
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If this star trek was is fully serialized, I would be out like a shot. If it is along the lines of DS9 with a mixture of arc and standalone, then count me in.
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Old 23-02-2016, 18:32
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I haven't watched enough of stargate to grasp Flash525s point. I've watched it fleetingly.

@littlemonster - I doubt they would change it completely. star trek thrives of one-off episodic episodes but i'm also recognising that the TV landscape has changed in the 21st century. notice how enterprise became more serialised in seasons 3 and 4. it seems a likely probability to me. I think its what (most) TV audiences demand these days.
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Old 23-02-2016, 22:42
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For "Jack and Sam" read "Jean Luc and Beverly". SG-1 wasn't much for developing 'ships either.

In most older episodic TV series long term relationships are kept low key and have virtually no progression for fear of permanently changing the format and damaging the series popularity (so lowering its advertising revenues). For that reason by the time you reach the end of an episode the regulars are (more or less) back where they started. It's why Jean Luc and Beverly never progressed until they (the producers) knew the series was nearing its end and why Riker never took up his own command and why Worf dumped his son into the care of his human "parents" (although they did go down that soap opera route for a while with Alexander).

You do get occasional exceptions, like Wesley and other changes forced by real world issues, such as bringing in Pulaski instead of Crusher for season 2.
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Old 24-02-2016, 08:36
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On underwater cities;

there were underwater cities on Earth, at least in the TNG era. After the Borg incident Picard almost took a job designing the latest one, with them indicating there already are some. I believe DS9 mentions orbital cities of some kind too (floating cities high in the atmosphere).

True future worlds wouldn't be giant Coruscant city messes. The natural side is needed, and in their utopia they'd clearly insist on keeping the natural side intact. No doubt there was huge techno cities on Earth, too. But you have to remember Earth was massively devastated during WW3, so they're not likely to have built back in the same way, either.
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Old 24-02-2016, 10:10
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For "Jack and Sam" read "Jean Luc and Beverly". SG-1 wasn't much for developing 'ships either.
Whilst that is a comparison, it's not a very strong one. I think Stargate portrayed that relationship much better.
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