Even by your definition, they do fall into that category, certainly within Star Trek;

Casting new people to play long established and loved characters was bold. Destroying long established planets (Romulus in the Orininal universe, Vulcan in the JJverse), was bold. Removing our Spock, a central character from the original universe (apparently forever) was bold.

Compared to the style of the previous Star Trek movies these new ones are unconventional.

Love them or hate them they've been provocative, causing some strong emotions and heated discussions amongst fans.

Moving beyond the established Star Trek fanbase, the new movies have made their mark, turning many people into Star Trek fans. They obviously must feel the films have an edge to them, even in the wider action/fantasy movie arena.

Still, if one word in that post is causing you so much trouble, feel free to ignore it. My post is just as applicable without it.

Could we have our first alien captain in the new series I wonder?

Every ST has had an alien somewhere in the main cast.

ST - Science Officer/First Officer
NG - Tactical Officer/Head of Security
DS9 - Half of the command structure
Voy - Chief Engineer
Ent - Doctor

but we've yet to see an alien Captain.

Janeway was human??!!!

Picard was French, which i suspect is alien to half the USA

No trouble at all. Thanks for your concern though.

LOL!

It would seem this new upcoming show is going to be set within the Roddenberry Universe, and focus on a story between TOS and TNG.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/star-tr...ovie-universe/

Personally, I'd rather a tv relaunch, cause I don't see how they're going to keep continuity with the Roddenberry Universe if they're going to attempt to draw in a new crowd here. There's no point launching a new show simply for the old crowd, that's one thing JJ did right; he mixed it up a little.

For a new show to be set with Roddenberry's Trek in mind, set before TNG. I'm fearful of this shows success already.

Sounds like good news to me. At least it's the prime universe and not the JJ Abrams-verse. JJ's is good for action oriented movies, but not for a TV show.

I knew Bryan Fuller wouldn't go for JJ's universe. Purely because Bryan did work on DS9 and Voyager and therefore would always maintain the roddenberry vision that he was apart of.

I'm not sure where star trek has to go. A brutal yet uplifting introspection of humankind's possible futures. Perhaps something like Andromeda where the UFP has gone, and a few ships are left to revive it.

Whilst I agree that a new series set in the JJverse wouldn't work for a TV show, neither will a story set in the prime universe. Not anymore.

If this guy is going to set his series up in a time between TOS and TNG, then he can't just go about creating specific events (cause they'd otherwise be mentioned in TNG/DS9/VOY). He'd be better off rebooting the Trek universe and creating something in Roddenberry's vision, rather than have the show in Roddenberry's universe.

If this report is true, the show will flop.

Hmm. To me that sounds a little too dismissive of the creative talents that are involved. I'm happy to wait and see.

TNG rarely mentioned specific events from the original series and none from Enterprise. The founding of the Federation and the Romulan War are broad historical events from which smaller episodes can be drawn without damaging continuity. Enterprise managed to have early encounters with both the Borg and the Romulans without damaging continuity.

From memory, DS9 didn't mention specific events, except for the Trials and Tribble-ations special episode. And Voyager only referenced The Undiscovered Country.

And the new show needn't have constant back references - just an occasional name-check will do. There's no reason why the older shows, set in the future of this new show, would necessarily mention events in this new series. It's do-able.

I'm sure there were many who wondered, before it began, how a TV series based on the single premise of a zombie apocalypse and the aftermath could be any good.

And yet, six years on, here we are. The dead are still walking.

This is good news. The new movies are ok but they don't feel like Star Trek. I think I'd be happier if they had continued the story rather than go back and fill in/ add a side story or whatever they do but at least it should feel familiar.

That's exactly my point though. How many fans kicked off with the inconsistencies from ST:Enterprise? There was a lot of annoyed fans back then that weren't too please about the continuity issues.

If this new show is set in that lost era (the time between TMP & TNG) then we're not getting a single Romulan. Between TOS and TNG there was no Federation/Romulan interaction (stated in TNG). I suppose a new show could introduce the Cardassian (in turn, leading up to those border wars mentioned in TNG/DS9).

Likewise, a new show would do well to use existing species rather than inventing a bunch of new ones (which they'd likely do - to never be seen again). The only saving grace is that we'd potentially be able to see more interaction with the Tholian, Gorn, maybe even Suliban and Xindi.

Said crew of this new ship would also be wearing that red uniform seen in most of the old films too (cause they're still using that uniform on the Enterprise-C).

Not sure that's entirely correct (I stand to be corrected) but ISTR Picard saying there had been no interaction for the preceding 20 years only, not the entire 80 odd years.

edit: come to think of it, there was an interaction during that time too, when Voyager contacted a Romulan via a wormhole that turned out to link to the past.

But that Romulan was on a deep space scientific mission or something, and wound up dead long before his message (via Voyager) could be received.

If this show goes ahead in the setting it is intended, then we wont (at least) get a hostile interaction between the two. I'll have to do some research, but I'm pretty sure there had been no interaction for a long period of time (if you exclude Khitomer).

I agree with this. If you go back to the shows you're actually surprised by how vague they are with back story or the wider events going on at the time. And all of them are pretty relaxed with continuity, they obviously stick to the well known bits but are happy to 'bend' things from time to time - or just completely ignore them when necessary.

TNG and DS9 finished well over 16 years ago so most casual fans will struggle to remember the exact details. I don't think the show makers would have must issue with glossing over continuity problems. The reason that people go upset with Enterprise was that it largely ignored the major events of the established timeline (creation of the Federation, Romulan war) in order to focus on new ones that simply didn't fit in with the story we knew.

Going back to the Abrams-verse thing; I never quite understood how they could have done a show it in. Obviously it couldn't be set before Kirk, and it wouldn't make sense to set it afterwards as it would then limit the freedom of the movies if they had to stick to it's timeline. The whole point of the 'reset' was give the writers freedom to do anything they wanted; nothing is set in stone any more. So what's left - having a show the runs in the same time period as Kirk? Surely that would be just as restricting?

I don't think anyone is going to be able to convince me that this setting is a good idea. If CBS and Paramount want to relaunch Trek on the small screens, then they need to draw in both the new and existing audience, and whilst that can be done with this setting, I'd think it far easier with either a reboot, or a series set far in the future.

If we get the show set here, then unless it's focused on an Excelsior, Miranda or Ambassador Class, it's a design that will never be seen again. The Klingons will still be using the K'tinga too... Baffles belief.

I hope this show works, I really do, but I'm just not seeing it. What I do want though, as mentioned above, are some episodes that focus extensively on known aliens; let us properly meet the Gorn, the Tholian, the Caitian, Deltan, the Tzenkethi wouldn't go amiss either.

There are many species from the original series too that this new show could have fun with and follow up. Just off the top of my head, for an example, who's to say the inhabitants of Sigma Iotia II don't come looking for a piece of the Federation's action?

If done well it could all weave together the developing "politics" of the alpha quadrant towards what we saw in TNG.

With the Okudas on board for this show it could even tie in visually between the latter original crew movies and TNG.

And there's always the possibility of covert operations with or against the Romulans. And other unknown species or threats. Operations that weren't made public. Operations that later Starfleet officers may still not be able to be open about (even if they knew of them).

I sure hope the visuals from this new show are going to far exceed that which we saw in TNG. Those were years ago now.


These are all valid possibilities, but they should be kept to a minimum I'd think.

It still doesn't change some stuff though; we know what the uniforms are going to be, and we know what other ships we'll likely see (Excelsior, Ambassador, Miranda, Oberth, Constellation), they may include some others such as the Apollo and Hermes, but then we'd have to ask where they went in later years (rather than merely decommissioned).

I don't know... there's potential for sure, but for the audience they'll likely need to make this a success, I fear setting up a new show between TOS/TMP and TNG is the wrong move.

I'm no expert but weren't the Romulans a cousin species of the Vulcans ?

Given that Vulcans were working in Starfleet surely they'd have mentioned their cousins ?

How did they get around that one when the Romulans were first introduced as new species ?

Looked at this and thought "I can't remember an alien race called the Okudas and how do you know they are going to be on board the ship" before I realised what you meant.


Everyone including Spock were rather surprised when the Enterprise first saw a Romulan (there had been a war between Earth and Romulus a century earlier but no human had ever seen a Romulan).

Spock theorized that the Romulans were a previously unknown offshoot of Vulcans from a time when Vulcans were an aggressive colonizing species.

The Romulans originated from a group of vulcans who rejected the movement towards logic and secretly left to go a form a society in another part of the quadrant. The Vulcan had no idea who the Romulans actually were until Spock saw them for the first time in the TOS episode.

Of course that doesn't explain why they look different to Vulcans There wouldn't have been anywhere near enough time for genetic difference to evolve.

I don't think there is any perfect time in the ST universe to set the show. 22nd century has been done with Enterprise, 23rd with TOS and 24th with TNG. I am not sure that stories in the 25th century onwards will be that good as pretty much any problem will be able to be solved by some advanced piece of tech or time travel.