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The long-term future of soaps -TV BIZ people getting jittery -The Independent
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Hildaonpluto
04-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Thanks

And one other thing I noticed about the article the OP posted was that the author seems to think Corrie is out of touch with reality, with stunts and violence and that Kate Oates is by going to bring it back down to earth. Clearly the writer has not watched an episode of Emmerdale since Kate's been in charge, they at times i think they have more violence and stunts than Hollyoaks.”

Yes but to be fair I don't that undermines his central point and idea.
Mark_Washingto1
04-11-2015
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Yes but to be fair I don't that undermines his central point and idea.”

True, but it makes me question the validity of the article. I'm sure most people on here know what Emmerdale is like under Kate Oates.
Hildaonpluto
04-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“True, but it makes me question the validity of the article. I'm sure most people on here know what Emmerdale is like under Kate Oates.”

I do feel that in the main the characters in Emmerdale are more real under Kate Oates even if some of the events aren't.
I feel the characters under Kate are better written than previously.
Hildaonpluto
04-11-2015
Originally Posted by Scrabbler:
“For some reason they prefer their women to be victims, they generally either make them victims of abuse or unable to have children/have had a child taken away from them or sometimes both.

It's why I was annoyed that Shirley's backstory was that she had a baby taken from her, we've seen that before so it was nothing new and it mean you struggled to care, especially as Cora had a similar storyline not that long prior to it.”

Lack of storytelling imagination? Stuck in a dependable but repetitive groove?

Originally Posted by Polly_Perkins:
“I have always been a huge fan of soaps, loving them all but my love has waned in recent years.

I really struggle now and find that my benchmark for what is a good story or character has lowered.

Despite what the article says I do feel a soap would work today but one along the lines of early Brookside. A soap that feels real, with real people having real issues. Brookside built a following and reputation on this. Sadly it seems that Producers are terrified of loosing their audience so feel the need to be fast, furious and over the top.

Sad days really. I know people loved how Deidre's death was marked in Corrie but all the reality of it was ripped out. I had watched her for over 20 years and should have been completely upset by it but wasn't, I guess neither were Ken or Tracey. Unforgivable.

I could go on. ”

Oh I do hope that you are THEE Polly Perkins! 😘I adored you in Eldorado (which should never have been axed!) and as Rose Cotton in EastEnders!
Mark_Washingto1
04-11-2015
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“I do feel that in the main the characters in Emmerdale are more real under Kate Oates even if some of the events aren't.
I feel the characters under Kate are better written than previously.”

Yeah I can see that, Emmerdale is more enjoyable than Corrie IMHO but its not more realistic. To me Emmerdale in its current state is a countryside version of Hollyoaks with better writing and acting and to expect someone who produces a show like this to make Corrie more realistic makes zero sense.
Hildaonpluto
04-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“Yeah I can see that, Emmerdale is more enjoyable than Corrie IMHO but its not more realistic. To me Emmerdale in its current state is a countryside version of Hollyoaks with better writing and acting and to expect someone who produces a show like this to make Corrie more realistic makes zero sense.”

I think Corrie viewers though will end up with better written characters by and large and a clearing out of some of the deadwood.
I think Emmerdale sensationalism is a better class of it and better done than Hollyoaks version
Mark_Washingto1
04-11-2015
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“I think Corrie viewers though will end up with better written characters by and large and a clearing out of some of the deadwood.
I think Emmerdale sensationalism is a better class of it and better done than Hollyoaks version”

I agree 100%, I just think the writer of the article is wrong about Kate Oates bringing Corrie back down to earth. You can say whatever you want about Blackburn but he keeps things more realistic.
Hildaonpluto
04-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mark_Washingto1:
“I agree 100%, I just think the writer of the article is wrong about Kate Oates bringing Corrie back down to earth. You can say whatever you want about Blackburn but he keeps things more realistic.”

He's too hit and miss for me -He's not really a soap producer with a clear vision or ability.
Hildaonpluto
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by Danny_Francis:
“I agree, I think soap audiences are generally dying out because there is a greater selection of choice on TV nowadays compared to 'back in the day'. However, soap fans will remain in part as long as there is a balance between light and dark IMO. Some soaps are better at that concept than others, CS (traditionally), ED and Neighbours for example. HO seems to be so far fetched and fanatical sensation it's beyond belief these days, EE just isn't my cup of tea anymore and hasn't been for a while the style is too dreary , writing is isn't as good and is predictable IMO, plus it's got too much shouting in it. Give me Home and Away anyday ”

Are soaps in general becoming too predictable because they've been around so long?
Danny_Francis
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Are soaps in general becoming too predictable because they've been around so long?”

You could say that, there is a repetitive formula to it whereby storylines tend to move in circles just with different characters. Perhaps that contributes to it as well.
Hildaonpluto
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by Danny_Francis:
“You could say that, there is a repetitive formula to it whereby storylines tend to move in circles just with different characters. Perhaps that contributes to it as well.”

I suspect it does, they can be very formulaic in content and feel at times and that can take them into wallpaper tv territory at times.
Jessica_Bobbing
07-11-2015
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Are soaps in general becoming too predictable because they've been around so long?”

I think you've got it. With soaps you're limited as too what you can do. You can't exactly have someone abducted by aliens or become a vampire if you've run out of stories. I suppose it's the same with some dramas, but they have a fixed amount of episodes, you see the story from start to finish and that's it.

Despite that, I still enjoy soaps and it'd be a shame too cancel them, it's not like they are down to 8000 viewers an episode. I'll just enjoy them while they last and try not to worry, it's a bit of entertainment on a cold night when I've got nothing to do. I won't get worked up over it
Hildaonpluto
08-11-2015
Originally Posted by Jessica_Bobbing:
“I think you've got it. With soaps you're limited as too what you can do. You can't exactly have someone abducted by aliens or become a vampire if you've run out of stories. I suppose it's the same with some dramas, but they have a fixed amount of episodes, you see the story from start to finish and that's it.

Despite that, I still enjoy soaps and it'd be a shame too cancel them, it's not like they are down to 8000 viewers an episode. I'll just enjoy them while they last and try not to worry, it's a bit of entertainment on a cold night when I've got nothing to do. I won't get worked up over it ”



Indeed theres certainly no point stressing about it so just cherish,chill and enjoy them while their here.Soaps in a way were of their time,their roots are in the 4-5 terrestrial tv channel era.The explosion in digital choice and the internet was always going to cause a challenging shift.The tectonic plates in the media industry are and will continue to move!One reason why I feel DVD boxsets and shorter series like Mad Men are increasingly more popular is because their shorter duration actually unleashes more creativity in the storymaking process and thus entices in many viewers.Longterm though I think soaps are going to struggle even more with the competition to be original and eye catching without descending into the sensationalist and the ridicicolous were will that take us?Interesting times but no era by definition lasts forever and the heyday at least is definitely over.
Hildaonpluto
12-11-2015
Originally Posted by mojo5000:
“As much as we all complain about the over-sensationalized plots in soaps - and their increasing nature - the soaps are fighting a losing battle. In their eyes, they have to keep up the shocks, the twists and the stunts to hook viewers and entice them into watching four/five days a week. It's a commitment for a viewer, not like binging a boxset whenever you want or a once-a-week show. To follow soaps storylines you've got to want to watch every episode and if they're on every day you've got to make room for that. And if you're watching something four or five times a week then the view would be that you need to be enticed and hooked into doing so. You NEED to watch the next episode because you NEED to know the outcome. For a soap this is much harder because of its nature and long running storylines.

Slower paced character led drama worked in a quieter media market - when there were only four channels and no internet - now there is much more competition and soaps feel they have to be "louder" in order to attract the viewers. If soaps reverted back to how they used to be then they'd lose viewers.

A happy balance is the dream and I think the producers still aspire to it, it's more likely the channels themselves pushing the big event episodes and shock twists purely for headlines, hype and ratings.

But in perspective the soaps are still huge draws even in the current TV world so it's not the end of days yet.”

Not the end of days atm no but I do feel long term the ground is shifting.It seems that less and less young people are watching soaps regularly if at all.Maybe they view soaps as old hat and the more structured and definitive resolution of stories and their arcs in shorter series much more satisfying and much more in their control which they value more?

You make good points about sensationalism -Its become both a curse and a blessing,a double edged sword and I dont see how soap bosses can completly extract themselves fom that.Perhaps theyve very much become a victim of their own success?
Hildaonpluto
26-12-2015
I think that the Christmas tv ratings for soaps raise some interesting long-term questions about soaps again anew.
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