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Old 02-11-2015, 20:32
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plus ted kathys brother? yet when phil and grant first came in they had no idea who anyone in walford was and were known as the new family. oh it gets more bizzare.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:47
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plus ted kathys brother? yet when phil and grant first came in they had no idea who anyone in walford was and were known as the new family. oh it gets more bizzare.
It was established years ago that Kathy and her brother Ted knew Den when they were kids. Den and Ted having been best mates as teenagers so introducing Kathy's husband Gavin as a friend of Den's is entirely plausible. However to now have it revealed that Gavin, Ted and Den were also friends with Phil's dad Eric is bizarre as throughout Phil's interaction with brother-in-law Ted in the 90s and with Den in 2003 neither Ted or Den ever mentioned to Phil that they knew his dad.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:50
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It's like the Simpsons, where every single flashback creates a new version of history.
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:03
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It's like the Simpsons, where every single flashback creates a new version of history.
At least with the simpsons it's actually more believable!
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:05
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It was established years ago that Kathy and her brother Ted knew Den when they were kids. Den and Ted having been best mates as teenagers so introducing Kathy's husband Gavin as a friend of Den's is entirely plausible. However to now have it revealed that Gavin, Ted and Den were also friends with Phil's dad Eric is bizarre as throughout Phil's interaction with brother-in-law Ted in the 90s and with Den in 2003 neither Ted or Den ever mentioned to Phil that they knew his dad.
loool either way it dont add up lol.
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:13
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Who was the other person in the back of the photograph? Henry someone? Who Gavin said wasn't really part of the gang. Could he be Vincent's grandfather and something to do with why Claudette and him want revenge on the Mitchell's?
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:15
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But - in fairness - do you know everyone your parents knew in your younger days? When my family moved to Australia, we ended up in this little country town and my Dad - by pure co-incidence, ended up meeting the brother of a former flatmate he had in his twenties when he lived in Sydney, as well as the "Aunty" (we think out-of-wedlock mother) of a local we knew in the village I grew up in England. And that was just a small city of 25, 000 in West Australia. So it is entirely plausible in somewhere like London...
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:27
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Who was the other person in the back of the photograph? Henry someone? Who Gavin said wasn't really part of the gang. Could he be Vincent's grandfather and something to do with why Claudette and him want revenge on the Mitchell's?
I think it'll come out in a few months gavins not her father, this Henry is, Gavin just knows the story. Otherwise what was the point in mentioning Henry..,
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:44
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I think it'll come out in a few months gavins not her father, this Henry is, Gavin just knows the story. Otherwise what was the point in mentioning Henry..,
Henry Hubbard will no doubt be Vincent's father and will tie in somewhere with Vincent and Claudette's vendetta/revenge plot against the Mitchells. Something must have happened between Henry and Eric. I highly doubt he will be Sharon's dad he is black for a start wouldn't Sharon have been mixed race if she had a black father?
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:45
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Henry Hubbard will no doubt be Vincent's father and will tie in somewhere with Vincent and Claudette's vendetta/revenge plot against the Mitchells. Something must have happened between Henry and Eric. I highly doubt he will be Sharon's dad he is black for a start wouldn't Sharon have been mixed race if she had a black father?
loool exactly haha
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:51
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Henry Hubbard will no doubt be Vincent's father and will tie in somewhere with Vincent and Claudette's vendetta/revenge plot against the Mitchells. Something must have happened between Henry and Eric. I highly doubt he will be Sharon's dad he is black for a start wouldn't Sharon have been mixed race if she had a black father?
I think you could be right about him being Vincent's father, Kathy recognised Claudette there must be a reason for that tiny snippet, probably setting the scene for linking all of the group in Gavin's photo, I like little subtle moments like this, so later you can put them all together!
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:03
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Oops didnt actually see the photo, too busy on my phone, so missed that all important detail
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:14
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I wonder how Vincent's mate fits in too.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:21
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I have no problem with Gavin having known Ted and Den when young. Eric Mitchell however is a step too far for me.

As mentioned, when grant and Phil arrived back in 1990 it was made clear that Walford was a new manor to them. Whilst they might not have known everybody that their Dad was friends with, I'm sure they'd have known if they'd lived in Walford when they were children/teenagers. Also, hard to believe that not once during all of Peggy's arguments with sharon, then Phil's interaction with Ted, then fued with den and finally trying to clear Sam of Den's murder would it not come up that Eric had known Den. Somebody would have used it as a weapon.

So, whilst you could argue that it has never been explicitly stated that Den didn't know Eric, it is incredibly hard to believe that it would never have come up over 25 years of interaction between the Mitchell's and Watts.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:29
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I have no problem with Gavin having known Ted and Den when young. Eric Mitchell however is a step too far for me.

As mentioned, when grant and Phil arrived back in 1990 it was made clear that Walford was a new manor to them. Whilst they might not have known everybody that their Dad was friends with, I'm sure they'd have known if they'd lived in Walford when they were children/teenagers. Also, hard to believe that not once during all of Peggy's arguments with sharon, then Phil's interaction with Ted, then fued with den and finally trying to clear Sam of Den's murder would it not come up that Eric had known Den. Somebody would have used it as a weapon.

So, whilst you could argue that it has never been explicitly stated that Den didn't know Eric, it is incredibly hard to believe that it would never have come up over 25 years of interaction between the Mitchell's and Watts.
Exactly, plus Phil and Den had a feud and there was no mention of Den knowing Eric.

Unless Eric, Den and co were up to something naughty so kept their alliance a secret?

Eric was a bully who used to beat up Peggy, if she was at home looking after the children she may have not known who his friends were. Plus, Den may have been cagey about knowing Eric simply to protect Sharon from finding out who her real father was.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:35
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I find it hard to believe that Peggy wouldn't have mentioned it with her various tiffs with Sharon over the years.

Does this mean Peggy had also met Den, as she never implied she knew Den or Angie.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:40
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Exactly, plus Phil and Den had a feud and there was no mention of Den knowing Eric.

Unless Eric, Den and co were up to something naughty so kept their alliance a secret?

Eric was a bully who used to beat up Peggy, if she was at home looking after the children she may have not known who his friends were. Plus, Den may have been cagey about knowing Eric simply to protect Sharon from finding out who her real father was.
I find it utterly unbelievable that Den wouldn't have used knowing Eric against Phil during their fued. Whether he was telling the truth or not, I'd have thought he'd have used it to mentally get at him - say something like "you were such a disappointment to your Dad, he used to talk about what a whining cry baby his boy was" or something like that.
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Old 02-11-2015, 23:17
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I'm so confused
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Old 02-11-2015, 23:37
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Also according to DTC, Sharon's fathers (plural) were best mates with her two-times father-in-law. Where's that rolling eyes smilie when you need it?
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Old 02-11-2015, 23:50
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I find it hard to believe that Peggy wouldn't have mentioned it with her various tiffs with Sharon over the years.

Does this mean Peggy had also met Den, as she never implied she knew Den or Angie.
Perhaps, just perhaps, Eric knew Den before Peggy? Just because you know someone doesn't mean you were particularly close, either. Could just be that Eric drank in the same pub as Den? Perhaps Gavin knew Den and Eric individually better than Den and Eric knew each other (although a photo would be odd, but at the same time, I'm sure we've all been photographed with friends of friends we didn't particularly know that well)?

There is that whole six degrees of separation lark. I don't think my Mam knew everyone my Dad drank with at the pub. Especially back then, I think there were guys that you brought home to the Missus from the pub, and guys that you definitely didn't. Guys that perhaps were alright for a laugh down the pub or a dodgy deal now and again, but perhaps weren't what you'd call a good friend or someone you'd invite to a family wedding?

And it was never explained that they all lived in Walford at the same time, was it? I know you wouldn't believe it with Albert Square, but occasionally, people do occasionally drink in pubs outside of a one-mile radius!
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Old 02-11-2015, 23:58
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Perhaps, just perhaps, Eric knew Den before Peggy? Just because you know someone doesn't mean you were particularly close, either. Could just be that Eric drank in the same pub as Den? Perhaps Gavin knew Den and Eric individually better than Den and Eric knew each other (although a photo would be odd, but at the same time, I'm sure we've all been photographed with friends of friends we didn't particularly know that well)?

There is that whole six degrees of separation lark. I don't think my Mam knew everyone my Dad drank with at the pub. Especially back then, I think there were guys that you brought home to the Missus from the pub, and guys that you definitely didn't. Guys that perhaps were alright for a laugh down the pub or a dodgy deal now and again, but perhaps weren't what you'd call a good friend or someone you'd invite to a family wedding?

And it was never explained that they all lived in Walford at the same time, was it? I know you wouldn't believe it with Albert Square, but occasionally, people do occasionally drink in pubs outside of a one-mile radius!

That photo shows that they knew each other in their late teens/early twenties. Ted wasn't that much older than Kathy who is about ten years older than Phil. So if Ted was twenty, Kathy would have been about eighteen and Phil would have been seven or eight. So Eric would have been married to Peggy when that photo was taken. Eric would probably be a few years older than the others in that photo.
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Old 03-11-2015, 00:44
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Why the pack of letters that Gavin wrote to Carol wanting to know where his kid was if he was the one who gave her away. And wasn't it always said that she was in care til she was 3, and that it was Carol that put her there.
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Old 03-11-2015, 00:56
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What next, I wonder? Maybe a teenage Phil and Grant babysitting little Sharon, as a favour from Eric Mitchell to his "mate" Den Watts.
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Old 03-11-2015, 01:02
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Pat should come back and have known Gavin.
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Old 03-11-2015, 01:02
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Urrggghhhh, I just hate this whole storyline. it just feels like a right mess and it's trampled over everything old school about EE. I wasn't a big fan of the Kathy back from the dead story anyway but to shoe horn in a complete change of history is just nonsense
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