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Old 02-11-2015, 20:33
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So Den's "allo Princess" line was really from Gavin all along?

They are shitting all over the continuity of this show
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:34
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Well I loved it tbh a fantastic episode in it's own right
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:34
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Dom needs to go... the bloke is out of control. His lapdog Alex Lamb isn't much better.

I would use lots of smilies to show my disgust, but they are a 5th of the size they were this morning due to the DS owners letting an intern loose on the website and doing a shitty job.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:35
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I'm hoping its revealed down the line that he heard Den say it.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:36
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Yeah, i don't like this. DTC seem's to be changing the history of the show, i'm not comfortable with him doing that. He need's to leave the past alone.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:38
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As usual total overreaction from DS before the story even plays out.

You are all as gullible as Sharon is, thats all I will say for now wait until the rest of the weeks airs to see what is really going on.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:44
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As usual total overreaction from DS before the story even plays out.

You are all as gullible as Sharon is, thats all I will say for now wait until the rest of the weeks airs to see what is really going on.
Members can voice their opinions of the episode and storyline as it happens, doesn't make them gullible.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:45
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As usual total overreaction from DS before the story even plays out.

You are all as gullible as Sharon is, thats all I will say for now wait until the rest of the weeks airs to see what is really going on.
It's not an overreaction at all. This story has been massively retconned.

Before you even get to the "allo Princess" nonsense, Den was never a gangster or a bank robber, and he certainly did not know Eric Mitchell. All of these facts have been changed.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:45
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Sarah Phelps isn't happy https://twitter.com/PhelpsieSarah/st...79715181883392

I hope it transpires that Gavin was lying to manipulate Sharon but I don't see how it can unless he admits it.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:46
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So Den's "allo Princess" line was really from Gavin all along?

They are shitting all over the continuity of this show
I'm assuming it was Gavin bullshitting to trick Sharon into freeing him...he knows people's weaknesses (Phil's is drink, Sharon's is/was her father) and exploits them.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:51
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Sarah Phelps isn't happy https://twitter.com/PhelpsieSarah/st...79715181883392

I hope it transpires that Gavin was lying to manipulate Sharon but I don't see how it can unless he admits it.
Turd in a syrup, she deffo ain't happy!
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:53
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Loving Sarah Phelps' reaction on Twitter.

"never piss on the memory of Angie and Den. Never."
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:57
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It's like DTC is taking Eastenders history and trying to make it his own. He'll be gone one day and someone else will take over. He should leave the history alone, it's not his show.
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Old 02-11-2015, 20:59
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As usual total overreaction from DS before the story even plays out.

You are all as gullible as Sharon is, thats all I will say for now wait until the rest of the weeks airs to see what is really going on.
hope you're right.
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:11
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Loving Sarah Phelps' reaction on Twitter.

"never piss on the memory of Angie and Den. Never."
Love that!
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Old 02-11-2015, 21:14
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It's like DTC is taking Eastenders history and trying to make it his own. He'll be gone one day and someone else will take over. He should leave the history alone, it's not his show.
I hope this fool leave and all of crappy writers. DTC is a overrated producer who think he the best producer just because people praise him i.e his friends and colleague. When the show is really dire atm.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:09
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It's not just the princess stuff which may yet be explained as Gavin manipulating Sharon, some of the things Gavin has said about Carol and Sharon's adoption don't tally with what we've always known either.

And that's without getting into the fact that the Mitchells weren't from Walford and that Den wasn't the sort who did bank jobs. He was nothing more than a small time dodgy dealer and a womaniser back in '85.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:15
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Was an intersing development, obviously the Storylines is not over.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:19
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So Den's "allo Princess" line was really from Gavin all along?

They are shitting all over the continuity of this show
I think this is not true and Gavin forced this info out of Phil
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:25
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I think this is not true and Gavin forced this info out of Phil
I hope this is the case, but I just can't see how they would explain that. Phil didn't know Sharon when she was growing up, and he only ever knew Den for a matter of weeks. How would Phil possibly know the significance of Den calling Sharon "princess"? It doesn't make sense. They've also changed Den's backstory, making him sound like a hardened criminal when he was really a small-time dodgy dealer. Also the fact that Den and Ange didn't adopt Sharon until she was three years old seems to have been forgotten (or willingly ignored).
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:37
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I hope this is the case, but I just can't see how they would explain that. Phil didn't know Sharon when she was growing up, and he only ever knew Den for a matter of weeks. How would Phil possibly know the significance of Den calling Sharon "princess"? It doesn't make sense. They've also changed Den's backstory, making him sound like a hardened criminal when he was really a small-time dodgy dealer. Also the fact that Den and Ange didn't adopt Sharon until she was three years old seems to have been forgotten (or willingly ignored).
I agree. I'm about to turn off. This recon stuff is fine I'm sure for folks who didn't watch from beginning or are EE experts as they've watched YouTube. For me it's tampering with iconic characters and the real glory years of EE. The fact that so many of us remember the set up and history of those early years says just how good it was. Real family / character driven.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:41
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I hope this is the case, but I just can't see how they would explain that. Phil didn't know Sharon when she was growing up, and he only ever knew Den for a matter of weeks. How would Phil possibly know the significance of Den calling Sharon "princess"? It doesn't make sense. They've also changed Den's backstory, making him sound like a hardened criminal when he was really a small-time dodgy dealer. Also the fact that Den and Ange didn't adopt Sharon until she was three years old seems to have been forgotten (or willingly ignored).
I agree it doesn't look good from that perspective Bass but tbh I'm praying that that's the case. I don't see why Gavin would have kept Phil if it wasn't for information on sharon. I assume sharon would have told Phil about her past as would ian perhaps.

Mind you if I'm wrong then that's it for DTC for me. If he does retcon Den and Angie then that's just frankly ludicrous.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:42
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I hope it is just Gavin trying to manipulate Sharon
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:46
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I agree it doesn't look good from that perspective Bass but tbh I'm praying that that's the case. I don't see why Gavin would have kept Phil if it wasn't for information on sharon. I assume sharon would have told Phil about her past as would ian perhaps.

Mind you if I'm wrong then that's it for DTC for me. If he does retcon Den and Angie then that's just frankly ludicrous.
I agree. Retconning the Kat/Zoe story was annoying, but I'll let them have that one.

Retconning Angie/Den/Sharon - unforgivable.
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Old 02-11-2015, 22:47
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I agree it doesn't look good from that perspective Bass but tbh I'm praying that that's the case. I don't see why Gavin would have kept Phil if it wasn't for information on sharon. I assume sharon would have told Phil about her past as would ian perhaps.

Mind you if I'm wrong then that's it for DTC for me. If he does retcon Den and Angie then that's just frankly ludicrous.
That's how I feel. Annoying as that episode was so good without these silly little additions.
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