According to Steven Moffat, talking about Doctor Who recently, "It is definitely going to last five more years. I've seen the business plan."

He also says that ''Peter Capaldi is going nowhere'', and once we get to the end of the series, "Clara is gone and will never return."

Read this for more info:

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/03/doctor...where-5474504/

According to Steven Moffat, there was going to be more Who than ever before and every Dalek ever. The 'business plan' was part of Danny Cohen's vision, and included a movie.

His timeline was rewritten by the ghost of Jeremy Clarkson's past...

And a five year period that starts with a gap year, isn't a proper five year period. Especially if it takes yet another two years of production before another gap year occurs.

The return of star trek may kill doctor who off as history has shown.

I was thinking the same, just today. And we've still to see what happens after Star Wars returns.

I've been watching a few old episodes of TNG in the last couple of weeks, and it really reminded me of what it was like when it arrived, compared to JNT's Dr Who.

LOL. Star Trek. Yeah I bet Moffat is quaking in his boots. Irrelevant boring franchise that should be consigned to the last century where it belongs. I applauded JJ's attempts to rescue it from the clutches of the 'special fans' and actually make it popular but theres not a single reason for it to exist now Star Wars is back . Boring, self righteous and overly talkie...no not me, Star Trek. It needs a mercy killing.

Happened in the late 80s, going to happen all over again.

Um...what do you mean? The last Star Trek series made it to, god I'm old fashioned, 'terrestrial' TV (was it Channel 4?) and hardly set the world on fire. Not being rude, but can't see how a new Trek series is going to make any difference to Who, tbh. I mean, I know the BBC bought Star Trek:The Bland Generation to show on BBC2 after Who had been cancelled, but apart from that....

(sorry, any Next Generation fans; had its moments, but it's TOS every time for me! Mind, DS9 was pretty good....way off topic here, sorry.)

You know, I remember the same sentiment being felt toward another dead 60s TV show once...

Hmmm but I feel DWs formula is alot more fluid than Star Treks. It allows for change, Star Trek is essentially like watching the UN in space. Its terribly dull. When JJ did update it he was utterly slaughtered by most fans who didnt want action or suspense or emotion. They wanted exactly the kind of tedious intergalactic politicking that killed the show off in the first place.

The 'true fans' are already raising hell because this is going to be a Kurtzman/Orci Star Trek universe show and not a return to the boring furrowed brows and pontificating of old. If anything Star Trek has had its New Who reboot and it was very well received by people who wouldnt touch it with a barge pole normally. And that only serves to annoy the hardcore fans more. Who knows what Pegg will do with the third movie but like I say...Star Wars is back which cancels out the rebooted Trek and apart from a few old school devotees there just isnt a market for the slow paced chin stroking Trek of old.

I've never been into it but you've actually kind of made me want to watch some old Star Trek with that description... It sounds like Malcolm Hulke Doctor Who: bring it on!

'The UN in Space' or 'Politicking in Space' could have been torn straight off the title page of a 3rd Doctor script!

He does make some rather sweeping statements
on the showrunner front glad he's confirmed once clara goes she's gone.
As for the rest just look how things have changed at the BBC in a short space of time.
BBC3 being moved online. Top Gear thrown in chaos (the biggest cash cow they have)

Exactly. He may as well have said Doctor Who was an empire that would last for a thousand years. Rather than five.

We don't even know who will replace Danny Cohen or what direction their broom will sweep.

The question is what happens in five years?

I dont think its for you. Watch an episode of Deep Space 9 or any episode of the Next Generation that doesnt feature the Borg and prepare for slumber. Apart from Councillor Troys fantastic 'assets' there is little to recommend it.

I've never once been a fan of Star Trek (I remember seeing Patrick Stewart in red/black as a kid, and now he's a meme) except the recent films, which aside from whatever they did or didn't do for the old series were really quite great. Then again I love Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto, so...it was an easy sale.

As for this whole 'five years' thing, I really don't know why it's news now when the exact same headline was around in April (DS even ran an article iirc) with Moffat claiming the show would be around until at least 2020. Few seemed to be talking about it then.

I don't think the situation is the same at all. The BBC upper management did as much to kill off Doctor Who in the late 80s as any competition and TNG was pretty much a totally fresh start for Star Trek on TV. Doctor Who now gets a lot more back-up from the BBC, where it is no longer regarded as an embarrassing farce, and after four spin-off Star Trek TV series the format is looking just a bit old and stale. That being said I'll be interested to see what they do with it and I would like it to be good, but I doubt if it'll pose any threat to Doctor Who.

Thanks for the info TP.

Two thoughts.

1 A Five Year Plan that *could* very possibly feature two gap years and two shortened season plus the SHELVING of another movie isn't all THAT inspiring.

Imo.

2 Ill put Trek TNG seasons 3-6 up against most anything ...

Hopefully with better scripts.

If I remember rightly, the original Star Trek began within two or three years of the original Dr. Who. If it can be claimed that it killed it off, it took it thirty years to do so. I can see absolutely no reason why it should kill it off. They are both science fiction and involve aliens, but that is about as far as the parallels go. I suspect that the new Star Trek will try to emulate the style of the recent feature films. Dr Who doesn't need to do that.

It lasted for 7 series, and had 4 feature films made. Some people must have liked it!

When I saw the thread title, my heart sank. If Moffat says DW is going to last five years, I expect it will fizzle out in two. And one of those a gap year. No, I don't believe a word he says.

And....why all the Star Trek hate? You can like both ST and DW. James T Kirk is second only to the Doctor himself in my estimation.

(The original was the best, of course - William Shatner. But Chris Pine is excellent.

Don't mention the spin-offs. )

I like the original crew! and thought the second Pine movie was great. I just always associate Star Trek with The Next Generation and all those interminable spin offs that seemed to run for about 500 episodes. Not to mention the original movies which were tosh!

The original movies may have lacked a little something here and there, (decent scripts and plots, mainly ) but nothing with Captain James T in it could be tosh in my estimation.

He's just so always right, always competent, never at a loss, completely in charge, perfectly cool and calculating. Who could not want to fly around the universe with him?

Anyway, enough of my fantasies - the spin offs were, on the whole, not good.

My favourite character in DS9 was the shape shifter who turned into water periodically and carried a bucket around with him to facilitate this. He was a shape shifter and could have looked like anything, so he chose to look like he did. Why?

He was a no nonsense un-reconstructed space-Bloke. and he had a real way with the green skinned ladies. whats not to love?

Does the 5 year plan include Moffat?? I was hoping he would go after series 10. I think he would have been in charge long enough at that stage and a new direction would be needed.

I don;t see why DW can't go on for at least another 5 years - why not??

The return of Star Trek should have no bearing on DW. There's room for both, surely.

I loved TNG and DS9 and Voyager was brilliant. I wasn't a fan of Enterprise because it made no sense to me that technology and the overall look of the show looked so much better than those that supposedly came after them, if you know what I mean.

I don't know if a new series will work, though. the world has changed a lot since it ended. I'm afraid it would be like watching a programme you adored as a kid and finding that you now think it's a pile of you know what - it can be quite upsetting when that happens!