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DTC - It's time for you to go EE
Sorry I know he's done some good work but like many before him he has a shelf life and now is his time to step down.
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He should have gone in Feb, after a great year it seems him and his team just burnt themselves out. What's happened on screen these last few months has been terrible.
We need a character based producer. |
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It was over for him the moment he got rid of MyLauren and MyCindy. I'm a pacifist but I'd happily see him tortured.
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I've always supported DTC because the show is much better than Newman/Kirkman's period however it seems as though the Gavin retcon and Stacey/Kush affair is receiving a lot of backlash (in the space of a week)! A few characters seem to have been ruined in 2015
![]() I love drama over happy storylines but I have to say that I didn't like how Kush was the father especially because Shabnam had lost a baby and Kush/Stacey never hinted sleeping together (I guess the reveal to Shabnam will be good but she probably won't do anything since it will affect the chances of having Jade). DTC had enthusiasm and always seemed really passionate about the show until Live Week so it is quite unfortunate that I'm having doubts about him. Hopefully the next producer won't be boring though. |
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I thought EE was great until recently and I am disappointed that I'm going off it because DTC seems such a happy enthusiastic man who I don't want to slag off really, but a lot of the characters have been ruined and some of the storylines have been rubbish
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If he staying on another year he needs to overhaul he team, like hiring some new story editors sorry but the current lot are not cutting it, If we're in for another 5 months of shite, like Jan-May last year then I agree maybe the reigns should be handed over.
I have nothing against DTC, this is about his work on the show nothing else, he does appear to be passionate about the show but that can only stretch so far when none of that creativity, inspiration and passion is appearing on screen. |
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I've always supported DTC because the show is much better than Newman/Kirkman's period however it seems as though the Gavin retcon and Stacey/Kush affair is receiving a lot of backlash (in the space of a week!).
I love drama over happy storylines but I have to say that I didn't like how Kush was the father (I guess the reveal to Shabnam will be good but she probably won't do anything since it will affect the chances of having Jade) DTC had enthusiasm and always seemed really passionate about the show until Live Week so it is quite unfortunate that I'm having doubts about him. Hopefully the next producer won't be boring. The Shab/Kush/Martin/Stacey Hes done a stillbirth storyline and to sensationalise it he stuck an affair resulting in a baby due - its not something I want to watch, I think for me its crossed a line. I was a huge Stacey fan, now I cant stand it when shes on screen |
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Sorry I know he's done some good work but like many before him he has a shelf life and now is his time to step down.
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And the powers that be will decide that, not you or any other member of a internet forum.
![]() Dom is that you? Just expressing an opinion, its what a forum is for |
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I'm sticking by him, there's a lot bubbling just waiting to come out he's not perfect no one is but he's a million times better than Stuart Blackburn .. be careful what you wish for.
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I'm sticking by him, there's a lot bubbling just waiting to come out.
So we have characters on repeat for 10 months of the year, showing up in 3 weekly cycles just doing the same thing over and over and over... |
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For Xmas - because nothing can happen apart from Xmas, a 5 year anniversary or Halloween.
So we have characters on repeat for 10 months of the year, showing up in 3 weekly cycles just doing the same thing over and over and over... This is the problem, they put too much emphasis on theses sort of events but do barely anything through out there year, of course nobody is asking for explosions every week but having block weeks every month is tiring, it creates a disjointed line in plots and storytelling, where they disappear and we see no movements for months sometimes a year. From Jan - March I think it's going to be some dodgy waters for EE as key cast members are missing and stories seem to just fall apart. |
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I've said negative things about his work in the past, but I think it's worth remembering that it's not just DTC with the power at EastEnders. His whole team are also responsible, and I think the BBC need to seriously shake up things, within the production team, if EastEnders wants to survive till the end of the decade.
What we need is a strong cast, with lots of character driven and gripping storylines, like the 1998-2003 and 2007-2010 period. |
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He was finished for me at the Bobby Beale reveal storyline.
The guy's an idiot. This whole Dean storyline plus the cross dressing Les thing, bloody Libby's secret that most people don't give a shit about anymore!...and now Stacey being pregnant by a guy we didn't even see her sleep with!?!?...., It's all just pathetic and he needs to go NOW!!! |
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agreed. i was one of his biggest champions last year but i am really not enjoying the rewriting of history with the gavin storyline, i hate what he's done with stacey, kush and shabnam. i hate how we have weeks of intense storytelling and then weeks without it even being mentioned. it has gone so far downhill that i can't see a way for him to come back from it.
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I agree he seems to be a man running out of steam and anything that can be packaged to feel original to a soap viewer but I also think that soap viewers should embrace the tools available to them and nor be tied to the soaps so much -be less loyal, explore other options and certainly don't have your contentment and mood so closely tied to whether or not a TV soap is good or being run incredibly crap.
In short rebel! Switch off and find alternative entertainment -don't just drift along and allow soap bosses and the channel executives in their media bubble take you for granted! There's an abundance of choice and alternative options available nowadays, there's a constant stream of engaging quality drama and well made niche dramas coming through on non terrestrial channels and despite not being keen on Murdoch I have to admit it especially on SKY ATLANTIC, There's Mad Men, Suits, Revenge, True Detective, Wayward Pines, The Last Panthers amongst many others -not to mention all of these type of series available to buy on DVD boxsets. Never before in terms of books /Kindle have we had so much entertainment choice and there's always some good cinema films we can throw ourselves into for an experience! And how could I forget Netflix! Be brave and rather than be an unhappy discontented viewer say f**k it and become a happy rebel instead tasting the joys of seeking out alternatives rather than being taken for granted by the old players from terrestrial tv! Don't let your loves take you for granted -show them that you just won't accept whatever they decide to give you, let them know you'll take better offers! 😁 There's a good chance you'll find that you don't miss the lover who takes you for granted as much as you think you will! I know a couple of ex soap addicts who say giving them up was the best thing they ever did! |
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For me there are too many characters that are becoming irredeemably despicable - actions that they take that ruins their character for me. With DTC these are:
Jane (dumping Lucy's body) Ian (going along with the cover up and allowing Max to be convicted) Lauren (allowing her dad to be convicted and not telling Abi or Carol what she knew) Liam (allowing his uncle to remain arrested despite him knowing he was innocent) Cindy (for not sticking to her principles) Peter (for forcing Lauren not to say anything - according to Lauren he pressurised her not to say anything) Charlie (two timing Ronnie when she was in hospital) Kush (impregnated Stacey after impregnating Shabnam and supposedly being in a relationship with Shabnam) Dean (I can accept he was deluded for the rape but now he is beginning to burn Roxy and there is more to come) Abi (she has been turned into a "bitch", not interested in her grandmother Cora) Phil (for his involvement in Max's conviction) There just isn't that many likeable characters left in EE. |
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The stories are too long winded. It takes months for anything to happen. Long-term storylines are great but they must be used together with short-term, quick-pay-off storyline, else the end result is often absolutely nothing of note happening from one weeks end to the next.
Paul Coker's been it it since early June and we're still probably months away from Ben confronting Phil about his true sexuality. Also think the whole backstory behind why Kathy left was ridiculously poor. It should have been that she and Gavin (deceased) owed money to some nasty thugs so they had to disappear then one of the thugs tracked her down to London so she felt she had no alternative but to make herself known again to her family. The whole "I did it for a man" with little explanation other than Gavin must be persuasive because off-camera he said something to Sharon that made her let him go with Phil's money thing, was irritatingly poor and far from being a feisty, East End matriarch it paints Kathy as someone week who'd betray her family for reasons only to be explained by "But you don't understand Sharon" |
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No matter what the storylines for longevity a soap absolutely must have a nucleus of likeable characters. Flawed heros and anti-heros, with soft likeable cores. The trouble with DTC is he is destroying likeable characters by having them do deeply despicable and amoral things - that turns the very core of the character bad and unlikeable. There are certain actions one can never forgive or "allow for".
There are too many characters that I no longer care about - it doesn't matter what storyline they are in - apart from perhaps a storyline in which they get their comeuppance. |
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No matter what the storylines for longevity a soap absolutely must have a nucleus of likeable characters. Flawed heros and anti-heros, with soft likeable cores. The trouble with DTC is he is destroying likeable characters by having them do deeply despicable and amoral things - that turns the very core of the character bad and unlikeable. There are certain actions one can never forgive or "allow for".
There are too many characters that I no longer care about - it doesn't matter what storyline they are in - apart from perhaps a storyline in which they get their comeuppance. I'm also finding it hard to invest emotionally in characters who's personalities and morals can change on a dime and also characters who seem psychological unchanged or unaffected after life changing or important /traumatic events. Too often some characters go back to normal at an alarming and hyper unrealistic speed in a very unbelievable way almost as if the characters aren't really characters in any substantial sense but are more akin to blank canvases. |
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I agree he seems to be a man running out of steam and anything that can be packaged to feel original to a soap viewer but I also think that soap viewers should embrace the tools available to them and nor be tied to the soaps so much -be less loyal, explore other options and certainly don't have your contentment and mood so closely tied to whether or not a TV soap is good or being run incredibly crap.
In short rebel! Switch off and find alternative entertainment -don't just drift along and allow soap bosses and the channel executives in their media bubble take you for granted! There's an abundance of choice and alternative options available nowadays, there's a constant stream of engaging quality drama and well made niche dramas coming through on non terrestrial channels and despite not being keen on Murdoch I have to admit it especially on SKY ATLANTIC, There's Mad Men, Suits, Revenge, True Detective, Wayward Pines, The Last Panthers amongst many others -not to mention all of these type of series available to buy on DVD boxsets. Never before in terms of books /Kindle have we had so much entertainment choice and there's always some good cinema films we can throw ourselves into for an experience! And how could I forget Netflix! Be brave and rather than be an unhappy discontented viewer say f**k it and become a happy rebel instead tasting the joys of seeking out alternatives rather than being taken for granted by the old players from terrestrial tv! Don't let your loves take you for granted -show them that you just won't accept whatever they decide to give you, let them know you'll take better offers! 😁 There's a good chance you'll find that you don't miss the lover who takes you for granted as much as you think you will! I know a couple of ex soap addicts who say giving them up was the best thing they ever did! I used to watch all of the Big 3 but eventually realised that I disliked more of EE and Corrie than I liked so I stopped watching them and started watching programmes on other channels that I actually enjoy. I think the problem is some people put so much of themselves into soaps it actually affects them when things don't go the way they want them to, rather than them simply seeing soaps for what they are - fictional TV programmes, a bit of entertainment every evening, |
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He was finished for me at the Bobby Beale reveal storyline.
The guy's an idiot. This whole Dean storyline plus the cross dressing Les thing, bloody Libby's secret that most people don't give a shit about anymore!...and now Stacey being pregnant by a guy we didn't even see her sleep with!?!?...., It's all just pathetic and he needs to go NOW!!! Quote:
I agree he seems to be a man running out of steam and anything that can be packaged to feel original to a soap viewer but I also think that soap viewers should embrace the tools available to them and nor be tied to the soaps so much -be less loyal, explore other options and certainly don't have your contentment and mood so closely tied to whether or not a TV soap is good or being run incredibly crap.
In short rebel! Switch off and find alternative entertainment -don't just drift along and allow soap bosses and the channel executives in their media bubble take you for granted! There's an abundance of choice and alternative options available nowadays, there's a constant stream of engaging quality drama and well made niche dramas coming through on non terrestrial channels and despite not being keen on Murdoch I have to admit it especially on SKY ATLANTIC, There's Mad Men, Suits, Revenge, True Detective, Wayward Pines, The Last Panthers amongst many others -not to mention all of these type of series available to buy on DVD boxsets. Never before in terms of books /Kindle have we had so much entertainment choice and there's always some good cinema films we can throw ourselves into for an experience! And how could I forget Netflix! Be brave and rather than be an unhappy discontented viewer say f**k it and become a happy rebel instead tasting the joys of seeking out alternatives rather than being taken for granted by the old players from terrestrial tv! Don't let your loves take you for granted -show them that you just won't accept whatever they decide to give you, let them know you'll take better offers! 😁 There's a good chance you'll find that you don't miss the lover who takes you for granted as much as you think you will! I know a couple of ex soap addicts who say giving them up was the best thing they ever did! |
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He has had some cracking episodes and Storylines though. But i think he may go soon.
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DTC - It's time for you to go EE
When he first started he showed promise, but its all fizzled out since Feb, its like anybody in any job when, when your hearts not in it and you no longer have any fire/passion maybe its time to go??? EE is still my fave but feel we need a change now, an EP who's going to bring it back to life? Like why are we expected to care about Martin/Kush/Shabnam, all so boring yet it's shoved down out throats every ep. Has anyone tweeted him asking what's happened so he's aware of the general concensus atm... sigh he showed so much promise.
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It was over for him the moment he got rid of MyLauren and MyCindy. I'm a pacifist but I'd happily see him tortured.
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