I can't imagine a producer telling Len what to do he'd probably just tell them to f-off anyway.

I thought Len was due to be on this week anyway because Darcey was on last week and I'd assume Craig and Bruno will be on next week.

subtle irony is not very SCD

Can I just say ......

Post of the day.

it's a Gleb special - look how wonderfully toned my arms are

Is it sponsored by Specsavers?

Yet you are calling Jamelia, Abigailsmum and her mole from the spoiler thread liars. They were there, they saw what happened. So either they're lying, or the BBC are.

I bet Alesha is now strapped to a table with a laser beam about to cut her in two; Simon Cowell standing over her...

"They do fix the show don't they??? TELL THE PRESS THEY DO FIX THE SHOW!!!!"

I doubt it, if he does a perfect VW they will have no choice but to mark him as low as 1s as he has the american smooth foxtrot.

Believe me, you don't work in a place like that without everyone knowing everything that's going on! They wouldn't risk telling the judges what to do because frankly the benefit of it would be zero and the risk of it getting out far too large.

{quote]Behind the scenes so much happens on shows you don't know about, of course it isn't spontaneous. A lot of what the judges say is actually scripted or written down.[/quote]

But that's nothing to do with the BBC or the producers.


Craig has often voted something well on performance rather than technique. He said as much recently on the show. Performance is of course subjective so just because you didn't think something was worth a 10 doesn't mean someone else won't.

Not in hold, he did not like it was all side by side. I think Karen criticised Kellie and Kevin's Charleston for the same thing, two people on the dancefloor hardly touching each other.

I think they knew what they meant, the thing is the Charleston has no real technique and rule book, so there is no need to be 'in hold' like in a waltz.

Wasn't it just!

(I can't tell any of the ballroom apart!)

But that's nothing to do with the BBC or the producers.



Craig has often voted something well on performance rather than technique. He said as much recently on the show. Performance is of course subjective so just because you didn't think something was worth a 10 doesn't mean someone else won't.[/quote]

There are so many things that goes on behind the scenes in shows like this, of course this would be something minor that never gets out compared to what the BBC have been hiding in relation to other shows and presenters.

The X factor is shown to be a fix with people telling the judges what way to vote, nothing happens. The risk isn't that great, it's not criminal.

Yes, Craig can vote on performance, but he once scoffed at Chris' 40, even though he was part of it.
I am not saying to me it wasn't a 40 (which it wasn't) but going on Craig, it would never have been a 40, just like when he said Franki would never be a 10 to him and obviously neither was Alesha.

What do you call it when people dance holding one hand of their partner and dance back and fore and/or in a circle, like in the jive? That isn't 'hold' is it? But it's not side by side either. I guessed that Len meant he liked some of that in a charleston as well as side by side - but I might be completely wrong about that.

I'm not calling anyone a liar.
Jamelia didn't actually say anything I'm contesting and other people are saying what they have deduced from their own imagination, they are not stating facts that I dispute they are making weird assumptions from scant evidence. I don't agree with their assessment as I think it's ridiculous but I think they believe their bizarre views.

Brilliantly put!

Was Abigailsmum there? I thought she just took the word of someone who was there. Maybe the mole just didn't like Peter so told a lie. I mean Peter is really disliked on here so most of them are quick to believe the mole.

Nah, Mr Cowell would hack his own arm off for this much publicity.
He'll be holding up the carpet for things to be swept under

Helen & Aljaz are just so adorable

I think the problem is, although there ended up only being 2 points between Peter and Jamelia going into the dance-off, I felt Peter's dance was over-marked to begin with (the 8s were baffling). So whilst Len's "it was close" argument was supported by the scores, it didn't really wash with me. My eyes still say Jamelia danced her Quickstep a fair bit better than Peter danced his Jive (on both occasions) and the wrong person was voted out.

I think or wires are getting crossed here.

Yes when you are holding on then that can be called 'in hold', that's not in dispute, but there is no rule book for the charleston like other dances, so the side by side is perfectly acceptable as it is a more free dance that doesn't really require a hold most of the time.

When you hold hands but dance out of hold is not in hold, I don't think there is a name for that really, just the name of the steps I would presume, I've never heard it called anything I don't think.

I agree, but my brain made peace with this by assuming the judges made a mistake (as they often do), or they were influenced by external thoughts (i.e. it's her fifth DO; Peter has been stronger overall...)

Doesn't make it right but it doesn't make it a fix either

But my point is that what the mole said exactly matched what Jamelia says.

Wrong thread.