Strictly Come Dancing - 'It Takes Two' Chat Thread (Part 16)

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Gerry_Sheldon

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“Was Abigailsmum there? I thought she just took the word of someone who was there. Maybe the mole just didn't like Peter so told a lie. I mean Peter is really disliked on here so most of them are quick to believe the mole.”

Abigailsmum wasn't there and she admitted not liking Peter, but she insisted she knew the mole well and trusted their lack of bias -- if you search the spoiler thread I'm sure you'll find it.

The fact that the mole thought at the time that the Strictly people had set up to record an "improved" audience response to Peter's dance off "standing ovation" style to boost a lacklustre original reaction I think says it all!

abigail1234

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Andy_Smith1:
“God some of you are such moans, you'd swear someone had been murdered”

Nah, this is MUCH more serious

Originally Posted by Cherrybomber:
“I am convinced but then I never allowed myself to get swept along by the mob hysteria in the first place.”

I know: so much emotion for so little cause...

Originally Posted by cwickham:
“Right, they could possibly have done a bit more than just say "there was only two points in it" repeatedly for most of it, but I don't see what else the BBC could have done, and good on them for addressing it directly rather than ignoring it.”

Originally Posted by Andy_Smith1:
“Then why didn't you vote for Jamelia to stay in? She was in the bottom for a reason, plus most people vote for free on the website, people need to get over it, no one's dead”

Andy I love you! You are far too sensible and rational for this forum!

Cherrybomber

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Tejas:
“But my point is that what the mole said exactly matched what Jamelia says.”

No you aren't actually making a point, you're saying some people deduced something from something someone else said.
None of which is that "its as a fix."
You're not talking sense you're just spreading unfounded gossip, which is fine, that's allowed, but you can't present it as factual matter to be taken seriously.

Gerry_Sheldon

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Cherrybomber:
“No you aren't actually making a point, you're saying some people deduced something from something someone else said.
None of which is that "its as a fix."
You're not talking sense you're just spreading unfounded gossip, which is fine, that's allowed, but you can't present it as factual matter to be taken seriously.”

Sorry Cherrybomber but the gossip appears to have very sturdy roots that I witnessed myself digging themselves deep Saturday night/Sunday morning

abigail1234

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by jtnorth:
“I thought that was OK. Len made a very clear statement he didn't actually need to make - that they aren't given any advice about who to prefer, which if it ever came out later wasn't true would now be very damaging. They were sensible to bring out Len, who, maybe not on here but generally, is a father figure for the show, and the idea of having the judges be clear on their reasons from now is a good one - maybe. Or it might be making more trouble if they have to scrabble round for quick reasons that aren't - 'I just like this person more.'

I think all the dance offs will be difficult from now on, there aren't likely to be any that are clear cut unless someone really messes up. They are likely to split the audience, so I think they had to say something or it would just build from week to week and sour things. It might still - these things are not easy to defuse but still worth trying, imo.

It will be very interesting to see how they all mark Peter on Saturday - the judges must be praying he'll do a great VW.

Helen is a sweetie - she's like a bag of smiley desperate insecurities in sophisticated packaging. I will say again that I think Aljaz is the perfect partner for her and she wouldn't have survived this with most of the others. Hopefully the VW will give her a chance to get back some of her energy.

Georgia's training looked great I thought. I loved what Ian said about Jay. Anita's training also looking very good - I don't quite get the head rolling down the arm move, all a bit Henry VIII but I am sure it will make sense on the night.”

Great post - and now I am going to think about Henry VIII when I watch Anita!

maycontainnuts

25-11-2015

Didn't like Jamelia... Don't like Peter... couldn't give a monkeys who went

Cherrybomber

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by maycontainnuts:
“Didn't like Jamelia... Don't like Peter... couldn't give a monkeys who went”

How funny, considering your name, that this is the sanest post on here

Roberta_Lewis

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Tejas:
“But my point is that what the mole said exactly matched what Jamelia says.”

Perhaps Jamelia was the mole?

Anne_Cameron

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Tejas:
“But my point is that what the mole said exactly matched what Jamelia says.”

and clearly the mole wouldn't even have mentioned it if she/he had not felt that the 'standing ovation' repeat was an issue.

Cherrybomber

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Gerry_Sheldon:
“Sorry Cherrybomber but the gossip appears to have very sturdy roots that I witnessed myself digging themselves deep Saturday night/Sunday morning”

Roots that you imagined love, you and a lot of others have wound each other up, but corroboration by others who have no evidence is just not valid

If you think it's a fix and not genuine then stop watching.
That's what I would do, I wouldn't support something I believed to be corrupt, that's immoral

TerryM22

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Roberta_Lewis:
“Perhaps Jamelia was the mole?”

Could be

square-root

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by holly berry:
“It's so patronising of the BBC to treat us like morons who don't know the difference between a good version of a dance and a bad one.

And their explanation for the reshot standing ovation wasn't convincing. I guess I might be more convinced if standing ovations were regularly reshot.”

The real killer was the editing of the DO as and after Peter finished. There was no coverage of the crowd on either side of the room when he finished. If the crowd had stood, one of the many cameras would have footage of it, and that could've been inserted. Instead we get obviously staged close up footage of the front row standing where the lighting is different.

sidsgirl

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Cherrybomber:
“Roots that you imagined love, you and a lot of others have wound each other up, but corroboration by others who have no evidence is just not valid

If you think it's a fix and not genuine then stop watching.
That's what I would do, I wouldn't support something I believed to be corrupt, that's immoral”

This ^. Was going to ask how many of the people who thought it was a fix are going to continue watching and voting

Tejas

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Could be”

I think Abigailsmum confirmed it wasn't.

I'm starting to agree with what another poster said but I can't find the post now as there are so many threads - that this may be down to interpretation of what counts as a standing ovation. Is it the whole audience, a majority, or a few relatives at the front?

Polly-T

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by LukaForever:
“it's a Gleb special - look how wonderfully toned my arms are ”

Yes another Gleb - look at me' special so that the judges will gloss over any lack of dance content. Gleb should be concentrating on detail - Anita is hardworking and willing to learn so Gleb should get her footwork right.

Heebyjeeby

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“However, this is the Strictly board, and this is where any knicker twisting is entirely appropriate, unlike say, angsting about terrorism.”

Well said

Heebyjeeby

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by sidsgirl:
“This ^. Was going to ask how many of the people who thought it was a fix are going to continue watching and voting”

I'm not. We don't just pay for the voting. We also pay the licence fee, which pays the prducers, the judges, the whole caboodle. So they ahould be bloody answerable and not treat the paying audience like morons.

Yes, I know I am 'outraged of X'. Am utterly pissed off. I have a great life, loads of money (though it is crass to say it), beautiful homes, lovely family, lots of interests and stuff going on, travel, horses, pottery studio, pool, tub, blah blah blah, but despite all these 'better things to do', For several years I have had Strictly Saturday Nights with my hubbie, enjoying the relative 'feel good factor' thatcwas Strictly as opposed to the X Factor, BB, Celebrity Get Me Out of Here etc, all of which would make me feel a bit tainted watching them.

After last weekend Strictly feels overly manipulated, false and grubby. And I for one won't be watching.

I'm sorry if the post seems a bit boasty. But some posters always respond, 'get over it, it is a light entertainment show, don't take it so seriously'. I wanted to explain, that even when you have had a very lucky, happy and diverse life, I felt that there was some 'magic' in Strictly in the past that added something to that life. No longer.

And yes, I do care about terrorism, real issues, and I give in an organised and systematic way to charity

Despite being aware of and involved in more serious issues, Strictly was a glittery haven of delight and escape. No longer.

scout2006

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Cherrybomber:
“Roots that you imagined love, you and a lot of others have wound each other up, but corroboration by others who have no evidence is just not valid

If you think it's a fix and not genuine then stop watching.
That's what I would do, I wouldn't support something I believed to be corrupt, that's immoral”

Patronising, much?

Cherrybomber

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by scout2006:
“Patronising, much?”

That's your perception but not my intention, so you are wrong, 100% and that is a fact,

Gerry_Sheldon

25-11-2015

Why the hell should I be forced to stop watching something I quite liked just because there are signs of dodgy goings on ruining it? No, I feel strongly enough about the basic principles behind this foul up to take a different path and I challenge others who feel the same way to follow it too -- my submission to the BBC Complaints Department:

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“Here are the details of your complaint:

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YOUR COMPLAINT:

Complaint Summary: Blatant dance off bias and apparent cover up

Full Complaint: As an annoyed BBC licencee I've already pointed out on a couple of comments columns about this débâcle that anyone with half an eye on internet sources of information on Saturday night/Sunday morning knew the "facts" were being manipulated. A reliable source in the audience who reported the unwarranted judges' decision against Jamelia's excellent quickstep in favour of Peter's appalling jive late on Saturday night, also reported the re-recording of something resembling a standing ovation to replace an apparently poor audience reaction to Peter and Janette's offering in the dance off. This was backed up by other audience members This was well before the Sunday evening "Strictly Results Show" when we were able to view the self evident disparity between the two dance off contenders and even longer before Jamelia had the opportunity to say anything. The forums have been seething with outrage at the obvious injustice towards the better dancer on the night, even from those who favoured Peter and those who disliked Jamelia! Shame on Craig, Darcey and Bruno and shame on the Strictly powers-that-be for allowing things to come to this pass and trying to cover it up. It is high time this popular show was thoroughly overhauled and whipped into honest shape

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Thank you again for contacting us,

BBC Complaints team

www.bbc.co.uk/complaints

Please note: this email is sent from an unmonitored address so please don’t reply. If necessary please contact us through our webform (please include your case reference number).”

Littlegreen42

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Polly-T:
“Yes another Gleb - look at me' special so that the judges will gloss over any lack of dance content. Gleb should be concentrating on detail - Anita is hardworking and willing to learn so Gleb should get her footwork right.”

Seconds after that, they showed footage of Gleb shouting at Anita to get her arms right, it seems this week he is working 10x harder on the technique side.

I'm optimistic it'll be the best of both, technique and performance.

Heebyjeeby

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Gerry_Sheldon:
“Why the hell should I be forced to stop watching something I quite liked just because there are signs of dodgy goings on ruining it? No, I feel strongly enough about the basic principles behind this foul up to take a different path and I challenge others who feel the same way to follow it too -- my submission to the BBC Complaints Department:”

Thanks for that. I have never made a complaint before but now I have.

Here's the link again if anyone else wants to. Bottom line is only a significant number of formal complaints will actually have any impact, regardless of the level of informal dissent on forums etc

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/
Last edited by Heebyjeeby : 25-11-2015 at 22:38

Dervlathedog

25-11-2015

heavens!

Heatherbell

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Anne_Cameron:
“and clearly the mole wouldn't even have mentioned it if she/he had not felt that the 'standing ovation' repeat was an issue.”

It is just his or her opinion . No more no less .
Not one other name there has verified the claim . Now , considering how celebs and press love something to have a moan about things or jazz some minor thing up into a scandal that's just very telling to me .
Not a word . That's all the proof I need .

Tissy

25-11-2015

Originally Posted by Heebyjeeby:
“Thanks for that. I have never made a complaint before but now I have.

Here's the link again if anyone else wants to. Bottom line is only a significant number of formal complaints will actually have any impact, regardless of the level of informal dissent on forums etc

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/”

Dear Mr BBC

I wish to complain that there's not enough of Aidan Turner on my tv !!!

About time Poldark returned.

Tissy

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