Len was right about the Rumba. Helen is too stiff with her ballerina legs. Lovely interpretation with the emotion but not enough hip movement.
Craig was right about the Argentine Tango. Jay was very good partnering her, she was brilliant and did most of the steps. Hardly any flicks from him, he just seemed to walk it.

Absolutely agree. Do not see the appeal of Helen she is very stiff and does not flow and no hip action whatsoever.

Jay and Aliona was good but not enough flicks and entwining between the legs.
Vincent and Flavia were the masters of this dance. Loved them.

Agree- Kicks and flicks and intensity - made me remember Simon and Kristina's routine Argentine Tango

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsFzxPzlqQA

Indeed they were, very difficult for the celebrity to do.

I agree with the op . The judges got it spot on .
I love helen and her rumba was sexy as hell , but the rumba needs more rotation in the hips and helen seems to have difficulty in that dept .
Jay just sauntered around gazing at aliona as she performed all the intricate moves . Very odd . What he did was nice etc etc , but a bit dull and very limited .
Georgia was terrific and I loved how Gio sometimes struck a pose for a few seconds and let her do her thing and shine . That is what the show is supposed to be about , showcasing the celeb, not the pro .
Loved peter's charleston . Just what he needed to fire him up and yes, the timing slipped a few times but the content was excellent so the scores were about right .
Disappointed that Kanton didn't shine as much as I had expected . It was great but there were def more than a few issues .
Great show , loved it .

Len was right about the rumba. Craig said he would rather see 'a story' (or whatever) to seeing a - implied boring - hockey stick or alemanna. The point is there are a huge number of wonderful rumba steps, without using the 2 Craig mentioned, and without the 'opening outs' which is about the only authentic steps used.

Craig and Jay's AT. Agree with Craig and you. Not enough flicks and kicks, and he - Jay - didn't seem to get the 'feel' of the dance. It was all a bit clinical.

Len was the best judge tonight. He stuck with being a ballroom judge. What a breathe of fresh air. I know performance is a strength but performance without technique is meaningless. I disagreed with him and the others about Peter though.

I agree as well. In fact, watching Helen dancing tonight reminded me of something Helen said the other week about her hips. It was along the lines of she's telling her hips to move and she thinks they're moving, but then when she looks down, nothing is moving!

Jay did some nice steps tonight, but when he was moving across the floor, he was walking, just like we've seen less able male celebs do in the past - very weird.

Both couples got good scores considering what the judges actually said. Len was pretty good tonight and Craig was less unkind than usual.

Well said, have to say I wasn't impressed by jay tonight, he seemed to lack in something for me to vote for him tonight, he's still a great dancer though, but other ppl are starting to overtake him like our three tonight of Anita, georgia and Peter. Helen and jay underperformed for me tonight.

Jay lead volcadas with embellishments; danced planeos; two sacadas; male tango footwork including enrosques, pique, lapi; led Aliona in her intricate moves and did two complicated lifts effortlessly.

I can saunter, but I can't do that.

Len was totally right about the rumba. The fan did go nowhere lol. And I totally couldn't agree with Craig about preferring some balletic move to a hockey stick or alemana, when she was assigned a rumba. Sure, you can pick and choose what rumba steps you want to include but Helen's rumba lacked a lot of steps. I only recognised some rumba walks, a few opening outs and the fan. The rest was just posing really. And Len was being kind in not mentioning the lack of hip action/cuban motion which was obvious for all to see.

Darcey must have a soft spot for her. Normally she would mention that for Latin, you need to get into the ground more. Helen was so high up, no doubt because of her ballet background. It was too balletic.

That sounds very complicated
Think this dance is a slowburner, thought oh dear on the night BUT watching it again there was far more content (from Jay)than I thought and lots of those kicking steps later in the routine.
Growing on me

I agree with Craig re: leg flicks in Jay's AT, but I didn't think there was anything wrong with the face/atmosphere - actually when I was watching, the only thing my partner and I could agree on was that his Tango face looked great... But what do I know about dancing, eh?

I find Helen a bit fake. Her face when Len criticised was priceless. She looked like a rabbit in the headlight.
I find both Helen and kellie more annoying than Jamelia.

So did I. They have been so picky about synchronisation in all of the previous charlestons so far, yet didn't mention how often Peter and Janette were out of sync with each other. They also ignored the mistake near the beginning, yet made a huge thing about others' mistakes last night. Judging consistency would be useful!

I think that's a bit unfair. Helen nearly always has a slightly mad-eyed stare a bit like a kitten when you catch it doing something it shouldn't.

Agree that Len and Craig were both good and constructive last night. Bruno, on the other hand, seems to be living on Haribo and behaving like a toddler.

Edited to add: Helen is a lovely dancer and I thought she gave that dance grace and intensity. I enjoyed it, but then I've got no idea what a rumba is meant to look like.

i think helen produced an amazing dance. not sure if it was really a rumba, but she really can deliver a meaningful dance. except i totally hated her hairstyle, for some reason i can't quite put my finger on. a bit barbie, maybe?

Karen Hardy and Ian Waite - history of the Argentine Tango from ITT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQJhLLn4Kpg

It makes watching the dance (from a non expert point of view) much easier and more interesting

Now that the competition has reached this stage it's time for the comedy acts and no-hopers to say good-bye .. sorry Jeremy, Carol and Jamelia but your time has come!

Last night's highlights for me were Peter Andre, Helen George and Georgia May Foote .. one of them will surely be the overall winner!

I wondered about it too, for a bit. But I think they were going for an Adele look.

It really improves with watching. All very subtle. Unfortunately it's the first impression that counts.

She always looks like she is trying to hard to be cute and girly. She never quite looks right. her dancing never wows me to be honest.

I do not agree that Len was consistent in his marking. Jay's footwork was immaculate yet Len gives him an 8. Georgia did make mistakes but gets a 9. Craig gave the same score to both so he was consistent. Peter was not error free but gets a 10. So Len penalises Jay for lack of "story telling" but does not penalise Georgia nor Peter for mistakes. That does not seem fair to me.

Yes, I agree too. Helen is gorgeous and talented but her hip action is not improving.

Jay did mostly seem to be walking. I was expecting something amazing and it was 'just' good IMO.

Couldn't agree more. Plus it seemed Georgia's facials weren't consistent, a lot of the time she was actually dancing she was either looking down or lost her smile (as if concentrating)? Must pop off to watch again + see if I imagined it?
Think I was blinkered to Jays face as I was transfixed by his leg extensions/positions very early on (guess I should re watch that too - it's a tough life lol)
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