Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Very easy to say when you are alive and free...”
“Very easy to say when you are alive and free...”
Well, yes...as the dead don't speak and are frankly rubbish at asserting their freedom.
Tristan McManus not wearing a poppy- why?
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Originally Posted by The Brain:
“My late father fought in World War II. He liked to wear a poppy, but wouldn't chastise anyone for not doing so. But then, since he fought against dictatorial fascists, this is quite understandable.”
“My late father fought in World War II. He liked to wear a poppy, but wouldn't chastise anyone for not doing so. But then, since he fought against dictatorial fascists, this is quite understandable.”
best post on the thread.
His choice . We still have freedom of expression , although it is wearing mighty thin these days , so can do as he pleases . The day we are forced to wear any emblem is the day I chuck it all in and emigrate .
I actually admire him for standing his ground and refusing to be bullied into conforming just to make himself popular on telly .
I actually admire him for standing his ground and refusing to be bullied into conforming just to make himself popular on telly .
Originally Posted by Sweetiecat:
“He wasn't the only dancer not wearing one tonight, why single him out specifically?”
“He wasn't the only dancer not wearing one tonight, why single him out specifically?”
Probably because the OP either doesn't like Irish or doesn't like Tristan.
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Have you never done history at school...WW1 thousands of Irish died fighting for Britain.
Ireland was part of Britain in 1914 -1918.”
“Have you never done history at school...WW1 thousands of Irish died fighting for Britain.
Ireland was part of Britain in 1914 -1918.”
Not only did I study history at school, I also studied it at University - as well as Nationalism and Ethnic Conflict.
On that basis would you like to continue to attempt to patronise me for a little longer?
The poppy does not merely relate to WW1 - it is symbolic of the sacrifices made in all conflicts involving British forces personnel since then.
There is no requirement for anyone to wear a poppy - least of all an Irishman.
Originally Posted by dancingbearbear:
“Wearing a poppy is a choice, not an obligation. Not wearing a poppy does not necessarily equate to having no respect or compassion for those killed in war.”
“Wearing a poppy is a choice, not an obligation. Not wearing a poppy does not necessarily equate to having no respect or compassion for those killed in war.”
Well said.
As someone who has rattled a tin & sold poppies for the British Legion in past years, I find the increasing pressure on people to wear one is quite awful. There are lots of ways people choose to remember/commemorate those who have died. There is no one right way.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“No it doesn't. He is an Irishman - not British.”
“No it doesn't. He is an Irishman - not British.”
so a lot of the other dancers arent British
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“No it shows lack of respect....for a few weeks each year it is not much to ask.”
“No it shows lack of respect....for a few weeks each year it is not much to ask.”
Sadly you seem to be convinced that an external gesture is a full reflection of internal beliefs.
There are doubtless many people who wear a poppy as a gesture without giving much thought to the reasons behind it. There are doubtless also many people who have a great deal of awareness about the meaning behind the poppy and who are extremely (and privately) respectful, but who do not wear a poppy.
To make a damning judgement about someone on the basis of a symbolic gesture, or lack thereof, is somewhat foolish.
Originally Posted by Moany Liza:
“Not only did I study history at school, I also studied it at University - as well as Nationalism and Ethnic Conflict.
On that basis would you like to continue to attempt to patronise me for a little longer?
The poppy does not merely relate to WW1 - it is symbolic of the sacrifices made in all conflicts involving British forces personnel since then.
There is no requirement for anyone to wear a poppy - least of all an Irishman.”
“Not only did I study history at school, I also studied it at University - as well as Nationalism and Ethnic Conflict.
On that basis would you like to continue to attempt to patronise me for a little longer?
The poppy does not merely relate to WW1 - it is symbolic of the sacrifices made in all conflicts involving British forces personnel since then.
There is no requirement for anyone to wear a poppy - least of all an Irishman.”
Really all that education....I am surprised.
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Another who does not know there history....and do NOT dare me.”
“Another who does not know there history....and do NOT dare me.”
Not only do I know my history, but I am also a bit of a stickler for correct spelling, grammar and punctuation.
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Maybe if you had relations that have fought for your country you might give a a stuff...we would not be here today if it was not for them who laid there lives down for this country.”
“Maybe if you had relations that have fought for your country you might give a a stuff...we would not be here today if it was not for them who laid there lives down for this country.”
My late father fought in WWII. He fought for democracy and freedom of choice. I wish all the poppy fascists would lay off. It's a choice. I am not wearing one. That does not mean I do not disrespect those that served and fought. Anyway, Tristan is Irish. Wearing poppies is a British tradition. You don't see Americans wearing them do you? And yet it's their Rememberance Day too - although they call it Veterans Day.
Originally Posted by roseblue1:
“Really all that education....I am surprised.”
“Really all that education....I am surprised.”
No need to be.
It's been invaluable.
Tristan comes from a different country where most people don't wear poppies.
In a free country like ours wearing a poppy is a matter of choice
My father and grandfather fought in World War 2 and World War 1 and both suffered terribly, but I don't feel the need to wear a poppy all the time (I buy one)
I'd never say that others should buy one though
- who am I to tell people what to do?
In a free country like ours wearing a poppy is a matter of choice
My father and grandfather fought in World War 2 and World War 1 and both suffered terribly, but I don't feel the need to wear a poppy all the time (I buy one)
I'd never say that others should buy one though
- who am I to tell people what to do?
Originally Posted by The Brain:
“My late father fought in World War II. He liked to wear a poppy, but wouldn't chastise anyone for not doing so. But then, since he fought against dictatorial fascists, this is quite understandable.”
“My late father fought in World War II. He liked to wear a poppy, but wouldn't chastise anyone for not doing so. But then, since he fought against dictatorial fascists, this is quite understandable.”
Same here - my Dad fought in WWII and my grandfather fought & died in WWI.. and I loathe poppy fascism, and I do respect & treasure memories of those who fought & died in conflict. I wear a poppy but would never dream of suggesting to anyone that by not wearing one they are being disrespectful. Each person has his or her own way of showing respect to those who have gone before.
Tristan not wearing a poppy threads. Two of them. Why?
I put that question to the .........errrrrrrrrr..........OP
I put that question to the .........errrrrrrrrr..........OP
We're not sure why this thread was created, not once, but twice. It's complete personal choice whether someone chooses to wear a poppy or not and it shouldn't fall on anyone to question it. As this is barely related to Strictly Come Dancing the thread is being closed.
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