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The show has produced 1D, Leona Lewis, JLS, Olly Murs and Little Mix selling nearly 100m. That's the return. There's a few classic pop singles in that and radio stations will probably still be playing 'Bleeding Love' and 'What Makes you Beautiful' 10 years from now. In the end that's not bad as an impact on pop music.
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Commercially successful acts yes. Real music and musicians. No.
We still have Little Mix songs being pumped out at every X Factor ad break to brainwash the hard of thinking into jumping on their bandwagon. |
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Your opinion as always OP 🤔🤔
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The problem isn't that DS posters are out of touch, the problem is that many of us can see that the music industry has been transformed.
The industry used to be about creativity, about hearing something like Tubular Bells for the first time, about hearing lyrics that connected on a personal level. Now the industry has been consumed by fake acts having formulaic tracks created on the cheap by a committee of men in grey suits. They then use their budgets to create brands & mass market the product at the low level proles who know no better and lap it up. Even worse, the industry blocks real artists from getting any mass media exposure as not to reveal to the proles what real music actually sounds like. And then these proles go on online forums to tell us that we're out of touch if we don't enjoy the dull repetitive thud of the latest "Now That's What I Call Accountancy Standards Volume 37". |
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Total agreement with all your comments on this thread. The level of mass marketing & PR used to make One Direction, Little Mix etc "a thing" has been astounding. They would never have made it on musical talent alone.
We still have Little Mix songs being pumped out at every X Factor ad break to brainwash the hard of thinking into jumping on their bandwagon. ![]() I mean I wouldn't have an issue with this sort it stuff if they would stop pretending it was about music. It's not. The pretence is laughable. We have Louisa who never heard of one of the greatest bands and songwriters of all time saying the song could have been written for her. ![]() ![]() ![]() I just find it so soulless and factory like. Churning out bland renditions and blander contestants. |
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It's the constant style over substance that really irks me.
Soulless rhythm and bass pap that's been done to death. The crazy thing is that despite all the attention and money thrown at it the income generated from teenies/tweenies is still dwarfed by the over 35s. It's ludicrous how few sales are needed to get a single to no 1 in some weeks. The focus still seems to be singles where the money is really in albums or multi-buying of an artist's song book. |
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It's the constant style over substance that really irks me.
Soulless rhythm and bass pap that's been done to death. The crazy thing is that despite all the attention and money thrown at it the income generated from teenies/tweenies is still dwarfed by the over 35s. It's ludicrous how few sales are needed to get a single to no 1 in some weeks. The focus still seems to be singles where the money is really in albums or multi-buying of an artist's song book. |
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They go on about how it should just be the voice etc! That isn't the case anymore performance skills r just as important! Year in year out the acts which r usually most successful don't necessarily have the best voices but they have an individual image, can perform and sing to a reasonable to high standard! The two people who solely won on their voice was Leona Lewis and Sam Bailey
A good singer who performs and has charisma will most likely get more attention than an outstanding vocalist who just stands there belting out Whitney week after week. |
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It's all in the marketing in Cowell's world.
Take little mix pretty poor vocalists and no real talent. But invest millions and apply tons of polish through technology and then market them as a package using a range of media and bingo you have a group aso real as the Archies and the Wombles. Then look at Cheryl Double-Barrelled and see how the same fairy dust was sprinkled of her. She's also a great example of the massive gulf between the product and the person. |
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I think people need the voice and that "x factor". That's the point. They need to have both.
A good singer who performs and has charisma will most likely likely get more attention than an outstanding vocalist who just stands there belting out Whitney week after week. The x factor is a great example of so much that's bad and soul destroying. |
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In fairness the viewers are supposed to vote for their favourite act, not who is easiest for Simon Cowell to market.
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Well the outstanding vocalist should realise that belting out stuff a la Houston is crappy, clichéd and gets a bunch of chavs giving a standing ovation on the orders of the floor manager.
The x factor is a great example of so much that's bad and soul destroying. |
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The problem isn't that DS posters are out of touch, the problem is that many of us can see that the music industry has been transformed.
The industry used to be about creativity, about hearing something like Tubular Bells for the first time, about hearing lyrics that connected on a personal level. Now the industry has been consumed by fake acts having formulaic traicks created on the cheap by a committee of men in grey suits. They then use their budgets to create brands & mass market the product at the low level proles who know no better and lap it up. Even worse, the industry blocks real artists from getting any mass media exposure as not to reveal to the proles what real music actually sounds like. And then these proles go on online forums to tell us that we're out of touch if we don't enjoy the dull repetitive thud of the latest "Now That's What I Call Accountancy Standards Volume 37". Just checked apparently it could have been Abraham Lincoln but it's not conclusive. |
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They go on about how it should just be the voice etc! That isn't the case anymore performance skills r just as important! Year in year out the acts which r usually most successful don't necessarily have the best voices but they have an individual image, can perform and sing to a reasonable to high standard! The two people who solely won on their voice was Leona Lewis and Sam Bailey
I think in the years Simon was away they were attracting acts which reflected what was going on in the industry - the likes of Ella Henderson and James Arthur in 2012 for example, and although the live show theme weeks do hurt the format on the whole back then they were able to show their individuality. I do feel since Cowell has returned we've gone back to Pop Idol style wannabees of people who might be able to sing but have very little individuality and are pretty much cookie cutter contestants. The viewers aren't able to connect with them and the live show format especially isn't encouraging them to play to their strengths - it has a one size fits all approach. The farce of the "This is Me" week with acts singing songs they've never heard of summed it all up. |
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Commercially successful acts yes. Real music and musicians. No.
Secondly, real musicians and real music belongs to a different realm for the most part. Real musicians mainly write and perform their own music and are more likely to turn up on 'Later with Jools' than the XF. Perhaps you are expecting the new Whitney or Madonna to Adele to turn up on XF? That train has gone. |
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Total agreement with all your comments on this thread. The level of mass marketing & PR used to make One Direction, Little Mix etc "a thing" has been astounding. They would never have made it on musical talent alone.
We still have Little Mix songs being pumped out at every X Factor ad break to brainwash the hard of thinking into jumping on their bandwagon. |
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Firstly, Pop music has always had commercially successful pop acts... The Monkees, The Bay City Rollers, Sweet, Mud, Wham, Kylie, The Spice Girls, Girls Aloud amongst many others. The idea of manufactured pop music isn't new. And there has been some classic pop tunes produced along the way. The songwriting teams that have supported artists like this have talent too. Presumably you wouldn't think of Motown as having produced anything other than quality music most of the time?
Secondly, real musicians and real music belongs to a different realm for the most part. Real musicians mainly write and perform their own music and are more likely to turn up on 'Later with Jools' than the XF. Perhaps you are expecting the new Whitney or Madonna to Adele to turn up on XF? That train has gone. |
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The show has produced 1D, Leona Lewis, JLS, Olly Murs and Little Mix selling nearly 100m. That's the return. There's a few classic pop singles in that and radio stations will probably still be playing 'Bleeding Love' and 'What Makes you Beautiful' 10 years from now. In the end that's not bad as an impact on pop music.
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I think the show is out of touch with the music industry. All the acts they're pushing this year wouldn't have felt out of place if they had appeared on the show ten years ago. Except for Mason Noise, who seems to have fallen through a portal from the early 90s.
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