The common theme with recent BBC sci-fi drama, it's very top-down and filtered through several miles of liberal-elite bollocks.

The end result would only be watchable by children since adults would tend to laugh at the naive moralising.


It seems that DW has now gone that route itself, there is a definite change from what went before under Moffat.

However in this case I don't think it's the BBCs fault but Mr Moffat himself.

The Doctor as peacemonger. What an absolute git. I'm not watching again. Doctor Who and the Silurians was bad enough....

The Green Death
Genesis of the Daleks
The Happiness Patrol
Boomtown
The Christmas Invasion
Gridlock
The Doctors Daughter
The Beast Below

I could go on...

Also what does :

'It's top down and filtered through several miles of liberal elite bollocks'

actually mean? I genuinely don't get it.

It's been a while since I've seen it but I'm sure Human Nature / Family of Blood had quite a lot to say on the subject of war as well.

So, OP, what's your plan?

How would you restore that old illiberal populist magic to Doctor Who?

I fear we've been done again here. Is this one if those light the touch paper and never return threads?

No different to The Curse of Peladon lecturing Britons about the perils of not entering the Common Market. Or many other stories about people losing jobs to machines, polluting the planet or worse as a result of multinational corporations hell bent on making money and pressuring politicians to let them do it.

Inferno might as well be an early warning about the dangers of fracking. There's an idea - What about a story where fracking causes the same problems all over again and Capaldi is annoyed that the next generation have learnt nothing from the mistakes of the past. There must be plenty of trapped aliens or other villains under the ground waiting to be freed by fracking.

Come on! Haven't we all secretly dreamed of the day Doctor Who was finally returned to its true self and the real spirit and essence of the character as created all those years ago was restored?

Enough of this sandal wearing, celery chewing Guardian reading New Labour fraud. Bring back the gun toting, war mongering , peace hating conservative Doctor we all knew and loved. The Doctor that strode across the galaxy stamping out protest or resistance like a Gallifreyan Jack boot and would shoot first and ask questions later. Who was suspicious of those that were different to him and preached intolerance and the importance of the self over the greater good. Those were the days!

Have you ever watched a lot of Doctor Who before? It's always been rather liberal and has been for decades. I don't understand why some people are so offended by others having a liberal way of thinking (although I suppose it's true for the orher way round too).

I don't think it's a liberal 'elite' idea to try your best with diplomacy before making the decision to have a war.

It's hardly an elite idea at all when much of the general public did not want our government to go to war with Iraq in 2003, but they didn't listen and went to war anyway.
In fact if there was a poll most of the general population would not want a war if it could be avoided.

The Doctor has almost always been about avoiding wars since the series started way back in the 1960s. So this most recent story with the Zygons had a conclusion which was most perfectly in tune with what The Doctor is really about and always has been at heart.

The Doctor wants peace rather than bloodshed, what a horrid person he is

Even as a bona fides paid-up member of the Guardianista latte-sipping socialist set , I too sometimes wonder if they're pushing a particular liberal agenda.
Exhibit A: 'Robots of Sherwood' in Series 8. I did wonder if Mark Gatiss was pushing unfettered Marxism onto family audiences. If I recall rightly, they even sprinkled a few direct quotes from the bearded German philosopher. Perhaps he was being ironic too? Given the suspicion that was levelled against the show in the 1980s about its left-leaning perspective. Although, to be fair, Robin Hood's story could almost be an early-Socialist parable if you looked at it from a political viewpoint ... Robbing from the unscrupulous, tyrannical rich to give to the poor!

Also: early & easy acceptance of same-sex relationships from Captain Jack through to Vastra+Jenny. (not that I'm complaining in the least! ]. Though, if you're going to be travelling through ALL of Space & Time, you're going to have to be prepared and accepting for all manner of different lives and diverse lifestyles.

So I assume it's not necessarily an agenda, but the nature of the show! Besides, you'd surely rather encourage & instruct a tolerant, permissive and accepting mindset of your audience rather than a closed-minded, bigoted and intolerant one?

Curse of Peladon

I wish I were as disconnected from reality as Tassium. For some reason when I have opinions I don't confuse them with immutable fact.

Probably he can see Russia from his house?

After a quick check of the 2015 election results, I suspect that about 12.6% of the population agrees with his take.

Yup, that speech, while briliantly performed...was about as liberal as you can get. "Make love. not war:"

However it's a valid opinion to hold, and is consistent with that espoused by the programme for the last 50+ years.

Not agreeing with it implies neither that it's an invalid opinion not that there's some sort of conspiracy to push it; it's also comically transparent to try to turn class warrior on the topic.

Therefore the list of those that would identify themselves as conservative and the list of those that would agree that the original post is severely mistaken in its assertions will strongly overlap.

The lead character, the hero, is an intellectual Time Lord, who believes in independent action over authority, averting war, and helping the vulnerable at whatever cost.

The Doctor is the very definition of liberal elite.

The only way the show could be less liberal, intellectual, socialist, leftie or elitist would be for the Doctor to always be wrong.

We need the Doctor now more than ever, to counterbalance the Jack Bauers and Ethan Hunts of the entertainment world.

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Yup!

sermons galore.

Sadly though, the original poster is alleging:

1) that the nature of the character has changed; and
2) that this proves a conspiracy.

Neither is sustainable.

No it's one of those "Just ignore this as the poster wants to start an argument" threads

Oh come now, we've just watch a bunched of refugees be stripped of every element of their culture, and be forced to adopt British values under pain of death. Any dissent crushed by brainwashing

This new Doctor clearly reads the daily mail

... yet by its standards, remains quite liberal.

Clearly, Zygons aren't true monsters, despite all the business with the pointy heads and kissable suckers, and unlike, say, Daleks or Cybermen.

Especially Daleks.

The Doctor would never offer this type of solution to either of those enemies. He's with the Daily Fail on those!

Having a state broadcaster the size of the BBC funded by £145 ish tax per household a year is, economically, a fairly hard left idea in the first place, the fact it has left wing- well liberal new labour type- views is not really a surprise. Doctor Who has always been as it is.

The interesting one for me is The Sun Makers, which was seen as hard left wing back in the day (SFX mag described it as being as red as the communist flag) but hatred of taxes is now more linked with the hard right- the Tea party etc- so where the Sun Makers stands is less clear.