Sing off's are pointless. Have been for years.

This is just Simon Cowell's attempt at recreating Jedward Vs Lucie, or Conway Sisters Vs Maria.

Back then, those instances wound me up, but now that I know how the show works it doesn't leave any impact on me whatsoever.

whether he is over the top or not the public didnt warm to him,its not the 1st time a good performer has left and it wont be the last,its not just about the singing its how you come across to the public,and he didnt connect.

well Mason being third bottom confirms he was never going to win it either.

I don't think for a minute Seann would have won it , but I would have liked to see him in it for a few more weeks. I think Louisa will be the winner but it is not the business end of the competition yet and there is still a place for the entertaining acts.

But if Nick 'abstained' at that point he knew he'd be sending Mason home. It wouldn't have been an abstention.

Attacking Nick for not choosing between his acts is ridiculous. Sending it to deadlock is the only thing any judge is going to do in his position when asked to pick between his two acts.

In the case of the same judge having the two bottom acts, that judge should be forced to abstain as by your argument why have a sing off, if the judge of the two acts is always going to take it to deadlock irrespective of the performance in the sing off. The only exception is the other 3 all vote the same way - then it is irrelevant how the mentoring judge votes. A 2:1 split by the other judges is always going to take it to deadlock, as the mentoring judge will have to vote for the act with just 1 vote, meaning that he cannot make an honest decision anyway.

In the above case with only 3 judges voting, it would be fair, and would be down to the 3 remaining judges completely and would not go to deadlock.

Why is the three judges deciding and not deadlock more fair?

You're making absolutely no sense at all. You're working backwards from the premise of 'I didn't like the fact Seann went so therefore the only fair thing to do would have been the opposite.'

What if Mason had received two of the three votes from the other judges and Nick decided not to send it to deadlock and kept Mason in, that would have been fair?

I was with Rita, why should she be the executioner let the mentor do that job.

one word = ratings (what's left), was it worth it for an extra couple thousand (ROLLEYES), there is no bottom left to the barrel now, it's all been scraped away

Of course, neither of them were going to win it, but Seann got fewer votes than Mason and was therefore sent home. The voting public were primarily responsible for what happened.

You didn't know???...

If he abstained his other act would go, that's only fair in your eyes as you didn't like Mason.
I'm still puzzled why you bought his sexuality into it, no need whatsoever, very odd.

Why is the three judges deciding and not deadlock more fair? - because the 4th judge - the mentoring judge will always have to take it to deadlock in a 2:1 spilt.

The problem with the mentoring judge voting - he can never be fair.

If the two acts have different mentoring judges then they each vote for their own act, effectively leaving the other two judges to vote, and if they vote a different way (i.e. a 1:1 spilt - then it goes to deadlock - fair enough

If the two acts have the same mentoring judge, and the other judges vote 2:1, then it is not a split vote so why go to deadlock.

If it was a 2:1 split in favour of Mason, then it would be fair that he stayed.
I wasn't making any assumptions about you, I am only saying Deadlock should only be used for an even number of 'other non mentoring judges' - But in this case there were 3 non- mentoring judges and 3 is not an even number.

I must be watching the wrong show lol.What has this got to do with the XFactor??

Terrible decision tonight. Two singers who are like chalk and cheese....and I say singer as far as Mason goes very loosely. He was shite tonight. It is still a singing competition and the better singer by a big margin went tonight. A travesty!

As a gay guy I find that offensive, Nick made the decision all mentors tend to do in that scenario, he cannot favour one act over another.

Why are people going on about this judge made the right decision that judge made the right decision blah blah blah

Simon and co know the full results before giving their answer, the only reason he saved Seann and conveniently copied the sing off line from last week was because they all know how they will be voting and that Seann was going.

Like another poster said, scrap the judges at the end just let the public decide and be done with.

It isn't cowardly at all it was the decent sensible thing to do. Grimshaw hasn't done anything wrong, the public didn't vote for Sean in enough numbers and that is where the problem lies.


I agree but the terrible decision lies with the public not the judges in my view.

How on earth is it a "total farce" when the two with the fewest votes go out? Seems like justice to me.

As soon as Nick sent it to Deadlock I knew Sean was going. It was obvious Cowell wanted controversy, Mason to stay and a shock result. Rita and Nick were nominated to be the fall guys and the people who had to make the unpopular decision. It used to be Louis he got to do that ie Rylan, but it makes sense for the newbies to take the flack.

TPTB think that doing this creates headlines and more viewers etc. Problem is its this constant manipulation and desperation for controversy that has lost most in the first place

Grimmy and Rita are best buddies. Did he get her to agree to vote off Seann, because he wanted Mason to stay? We'll never know.

Yes, I agree, definitely has the opposite effect (apart from people's initial reaction) I really hoped that all the crap might have stopped this series but it just makes you want to watch it less and less.

I am sorry to all the people I offended by this comment. It wasn't meant to offend anyone. I was very angry with Grimmers earlier and the decision he made. He seemed so supportive of Seann previously. Just venting my rage here.

I am just saying he should of respected the decision of his fellow judges and they voted to keep Seann.
If it is always going to go to deadlock in this situation why have a sing off - why not send the 2nd bottom home with the bottom, and put the 3rd bottom through automatically. The whole point of a sing off is to give the 2nd and 3rd bottom another chance to impress the other judges, and that did not happen tonight. (whoever is in the sing off is always going to have their own mentors back anyway, or should have). As the person who got 2 votes was sent home and the person with one vote stayed. You can't count Nicks vote in that instance, as he could not vote fairly.

Surely it was good that Nick was last to vote and was able to send it to dead lock. If he'd been first to choose now that would have been giving him flack

Surely it was 2 to 1 when Nick voted which lead him to take it to dead lock. So how would voting Mason off have been respecting the decision of the judges.

The only fly in the ointment here and very big disappointment was Rita who has also supported Sean but decided to back Mason who had the worst sing off She more or less forced Nick's hand by doing this.

I love Sean but Mason more. Think Mason would make a better pop star. For me, last night's awful song choice for Mason was the reason he was bottom 3. Seann's performances have both been great, had good placings in the running order yet was still finishing poorly so it wasn't working. Mason's songs need to be a lot more carefully picked.