Originally Posted by Piipp:
“Well there you have it. Clara was killed by a raven. 0_o”
“Well there you have it. Clara was killed by a raven. 0_o”
My thanks to the OP for telling us that info before the episode aired.
Is Clara really gonna be killed by a Raven?
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Originally Posted by bennythedip:
“Not seen yet. Did it peck her in the head?”
“Not seen yet. Did it peck her in the head?”
It ate her eyes out and then pecked her jugular so that she bled out very slowly.
(Not really).
It feels like the Emperor's New Clothes in the episode thread, so let me say it here. Dumbest companion exit ever. I honestly feel sad for Coleman for having to lie motionless on the Harry Potter set, pretending a bird flew into her tummy, instead of going out with a bang fighting a real Who monster.
Originally Posted by ea91:
“It feels like the Emperor's New Clothes in the episode thread, so let me say it here. Dumbest companion exit ever. I honestly feel sad for Coleman for having to lie motionless on the Harry Potter set, pretending a bird flew into her tummy, instead of going out with a bang fighting a real Who monster.”
“It feels like the Emperor's New Clothes in the episode thread, so let me say it here. Dumbest companion exit ever. I honestly feel sad for Coleman for having to lie motionless on the Harry Potter set, pretending a bird flew into her tummy, instead of going out with a bang fighting a real Who monster.”
You have clearly missed the point of it all. Just being killed by a monster? Lame. This is all part of a larger story.
Originally Posted by ea91:
“Dumbest companion exit ever. I honestly feel sad for Coleman for having to lie motionless on the Harry Potter set, pretending a bird flew into her tummy, instead of going out with a bang fighting a real Who monster.”
“Dumbest companion exit ever. I honestly feel sad for Coleman for having to lie motionless on the Harry Potter set, pretending a bird flew into her tummy, instead of going out with a bang fighting a real Who monster.”
Agreed. The whole idea of the Raven, the countdown, the business of passing the 'tattoo' to someone else, breaking of contract, inability to 'fix' it - all concocted to kill off a companion whilst allowing a protracted farewell scene; too stupid for words.
Originally Posted by fastest finger:
“You have clearly missed the point of it all. Just being killed by a monster? Lame. This is all part of a larger story.”
“You have clearly missed the point of it all. Just being killed by a monster? Lame. This is all part of a larger story.”
Even if so, it doesn't seem to be part of Clara's story. As much as I enjoy Moffat in general, he's terrible with companions' backstories. Amy had no family for an entire series and Rory only got a dad in his last couple of episodes. Now I don't mean that we needed a rundown of Clara's family tree, but to literally kill her off without really revisiting any of her history or adding any depth to her character, and not even - which would be the least I've come to expect from Moffat - callbacks to the crazy time when she entered the Doctor's timeline, simply leaves a lot to be desired. Thoroughly poor effort.
Originally Posted by ea91:
“Even if so, it doesn't seem to be part of Clara's story. As much as I enjoy Moffat in general, he's terrible with companions' backstories. Amy had no family for an entire series and Rory only got a dad in his last couple of episodes. Now I don't mean that we needed a rundown of Clara's family tree, but to literally kill her off without really revisiting any of her history or adding any depth to her character, and not even - which would be the least I've come to expect from Moffat - callbacks to the crazy time when she entered the Doctor's timeline, simply leaves a lot to be desired. Thoroughly poor effort.”
“Even if so, it doesn't seem to be part of Clara's story. As much as I enjoy Moffat in general, he's terrible with companions' backstories. Amy had no family for an entire series and Rory only got a dad in his last couple of episodes. Now I don't mean that we needed a rundown of Clara's family tree, but to literally kill her off without really revisiting any of her history or adding any depth to her character, and not even - which would be the least I've come to expect from Moffat - callbacks to the crazy time when she entered the Doctor's timeline, simply leaves a lot to be desired. Thoroughly poor effort.”
I never really saw Amy or Clara as companions who actually travelled with the doctor because he kept leaving them and coming back to the point where it felt like the companion was leaving every other episode ! Clara in particular it feels like has already had several exits !
Don't buy into it at all, the episode fell flat for me as Moffat has cried wolf so many times, how are we suppose to but into it, I just don't. She'll be back in episode 12 ready to cheapen her already cold ending.
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“My thanks to the OP for telling us that info before the episode aired.
”
“My thanks to the OP for telling us that info before the episode aired.
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To be fair, the OP did apologise (well, sort of) and hopefully they've learnt to be a little more careful about revealing spoilers in titles or perhaps directing their posts to go into the main Series 9 Spoilers & Information Thread.
Originally Posted by ea91:
“Even if so, it doesn't seem to be part of Clara's story. As much as I enjoy Moffat in general, he's terrible with companions' backstories. Amy had no family for an entire series and Rory only got a dad in his last couple of episodes. Now I don't mean that we needed a rundown of Clara's family tree, but to literally kill her off without really revisiting any of her history or adding any depth to her character, and not even - which would be the least I've come to expect from Moffat - callbacks to the crazy time when she entered the Doctor's timeline, simply leaves a lot to be desired. Thoroughly poor effort.”
“Even if so, it doesn't seem to be part of Clara's story. As much as I enjoy Moffat in general, he's terrible with companions' backstories. Amy had no family for an entire series and Rory only got a dad in his last couple of episodes. Now I don't mean that we needed a rundown of Clara's family tree, but to literally kill her off without really revisiting any of her history or adding any depth to her character, and not even - which would be the least I've come to expect from Moffat - callbacks to the crazy time when she entered the Doctor's timeline, simply leaves a lot to be desired. Thoroughly poor effort.”
Amy had no family at first for a reason.
Rory's raison d'être was Amy, nothing else needed.
We already know Clara's backstory. It's what made her the person she was tonight. Besides just because she's dead, her experiences so far + time travel means her story might not be over just yet. Still 2 more episodes to go.
Originally Posted by Daniel Dare:
“To be fair, the OP did apologise (well, sort of) and hopefully they've learnt to be a little more careful about revealing spoilers in titles or perhaps directing their posts to go into the main Series 9 Spoilers & Information Thread.”
“To be fair, the OP did apologise (well, sort of) and hopefully they've learnt to be a little more careful about revealing spoilers in titles or perhaps directing their posts to go into the main Series 9 Spoilers & Information Thread.”
To be equally fair, I haven't read any of this thread and was just a bit irritated earlier that this thread title was correct and effectively a spoiler whether the OP intended it or not.
I agree though, posters should refrain from posting any information in thread titles regardless of whether they are speculation or not. The same happened last year when someone posted the possibility that Missy was The Master a few days before the next episode aired revealing that very fact.
I came close to avoiding this forum whilst this Series was in progress because of those threads but I don't really want to as I enjoy reading the many threads even if I don't actively participate in many of them. I think most people should be able to come on here and do the same without having their enjoyment spoilt by such thread titles.
I was hoping she would have reprised a memorable quote from her time on the show as her last words something like:
Run you clever boy and don't look back!
Or
I'm the impossible girl and my story is done!
Run you clever boy and don't look back!
Or
I'm the impossible girl and my story is done!
Originally Posted by tomlinson7:
“Run you clever boy and don't look back!”
“Run you clever boy and don't look back!”
It's "Run You Clever Boy and Remember Me".
Originally Posted by PaperSkin:
“Don't buy into it at all, the episode fell flat for me as Moffat has cried wolf so many times, how are we suppose to but into it, I just don't. She'll be back in episode 12 ready to cheapen her already cold ending.”
“Don't buy into it at all, the episode fell flat for me as Moffat has cried wolf so many times, how are we suppose to but into it, I just don't. She'll be back in episode 12 ready to cheapen her already cold ending.”
Worst of all because of this cheap ending there is a clip of the doctor and clara from the finale so no its bullshit to make fans buy the death,
Jenna's turning up again. Is 'our' Clara? She was Oswin Oswald (deceased) and 19th century Governess Clara (deceased) before...
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“I guess the doctor is going to gallifrey to change time to save her.”
“I guess the doctor is going to gallifrey to change time to save her.”
I'm still going for him finding the moment again and it wearing Clara's face this time
I thought it was just a chance for them to show off her chest!!!
all the camera angles of the scene seemed to play to her (considerable) "strengths"
all the camera angles of the scene seemed to play to her (considerable) "strengths"
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“To be equally fair, I haven't read any of this thread and was just a bit irritated earlier that this thread title was correct and effectively a spoiler whether the OP intended it or not.
I agree though, posters should refrain from posting any information in thread titles regardless of whether they are speculation or not. The same happened last year when someone posted the possibility that Missy was The Master a few days before the next episode aired revealing that very fact.
I came close to avoiding this forum whilst this Series was in progress because of those threads but I don't really want to as I enjoy reading the many threads even if I don't actively participate in many of them. I think most people should be able to come on here and do the same without having their enjoyment spoilt by such thread titles.
”
“To be equally fair, I haven't read any of this thread and was just a bit irritated earlier that this thread title was correct and effectively a spoiler whether the OP intended it or not.
I agree though, posters should refrain from posting any information in thread titles regardless of whether they are speculation or not. The same happened last year when someone posted the possibility that Missy was The Master a few days before the next episode aired revealing that very fact.
I came close to avoiding this forum whilst this Series was in progress because of those threads but I don't really want to as I enjoy reading the many threads even if I don't actively participate in many of them. I think most people should be able to come on here and do the same without having their enjoyment spoilt by such thread titles.
”
Sorry to do a "me too", but those are also my thoughts exactly.
Originally Posted by PaperSkin:
“Don't buy into it at all, the episode fell flat for me as Moffat has cried wolf so many times, how are we suppose to but into it, I just don't. She'll be back in episode 12 ready to cheapen her already cold ending.”
“Don't buy into it at all, the episode fell flat for me as Moffat has cried wolf so many times, how are we suppose to but into it, I just don't. She'll be back in episode 12 ready to cheapen her already cold ending.”
Well, her ending didn't leave me cold, and I prefer to reserve judgement on whether or not her apparent ending in this story will be cheapened until I see the episode in which Jenna appears. I will not pre-judge without all the facts.
There are many possible ways for Jenna to re-appear which would not cheapen Clara's apparent death at all.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Pretty sure finale has clara and doctor side by side because of that clip in the trailer.”
“Pretty sure finale has clara and doctor side by side because of that clip in the trailer.”
Which clip, Dave?
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