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Old 09-11-2015, 12:38
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Didn't Pat sleep with Pete's brother and allowed him to believe that her second child was his so like Stacey is no angel and neither was Pat having an affair with Frank when he was with her best friend Peggy.

Im not saying Stacey is perfect because no one is perfect. Ian, Jane, Phil, Bobby, Abi, Lauren, Max, Sharon, Tanya, Kathy, Dean, Shirley, Bianca, Carol, Grant, Roxy and Ronnie are not perfect. Even Frank, Pat, Janine, Den and Angie weren't perfect. Who in Eastenders apart from Dot and all the kids are all perfect and have had an affair ect. Pat let a man believe he was the father to her second baby but she accepted responsibility. I think Stacey needs to accept responsibility for wrecking Max and Tanya's marriage in 2007 and she needs to accept responsibility now in order for her to be redeemed because I believe Stacey can be redeemed before Ian, Jane, Abi, Phil and Bobby, can. Even though Stacey is very unlike-able atm it doesn't mean she should be axed because that would mean losing and I think Lacey is one of the best actresses in Eastenders right now. I think what we need to see more of is Stacey being a mum to Lily.
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Old 09-11-2015, 13:36
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Old 09-11-2015, 13:42
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Why does the OP seem like I've missed half the arguement?
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Old 09-11-2015, 13:45
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Nobody in EastEnders is perfect, but Stacey does tend to go out of her way to destroy peoples lives for a quick shag and then blame everyone else but herself when it all goes tits up.

This will be the third marriage she has ruined.
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Old 09-11-2015, 13:48
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Why does the OP seem like I've missed half the arguement?
You're not the only one!
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Old 09-11-2015, 13:50
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Pat was a legend, she could do whom she wanted. Don't take her name in vain or compare her to Stacey Slater ice skater.
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Old 09-11-2015, 14:17
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Old 09-11-2015, 14:18
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Why does the OP seem like I've missed half the arguement?
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Old 09-11-2015, 14:22
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Difference is Pat was no angel but never tried to pretend otherwise or justify her actions by blaming anyone else, trying to get people to understand, see her side or sympathise etc. She always owned what she did and paid the appropriate price - I doubt very much we'd have seen Pat allowing her dead husband who she's supposed to have loved to take the blame for a murder she committed for example.

The only reason that Pat has been brought up is because the OP thinks it's a similar storyline in that she brought one of her son's up believing he was another man's child and that she had an affair with Frank behind Peggy's back. But Frank and Peggy went way back, they already had an established and long romantic history way before Frank got with Peggy (and had actually been married) so it's not quite the same as Stacey and Kush scratching a sexual itch behind her best friend's and his partner's back is it? Pat and Frank were a legendary couple who couldn't seem to live together but couldn't live apart either.

Yes Pat let another man think he was the father of her son but for that I'll forgive her as I reckon in the days before DNA/divorce being commonplace it was a lot more common than we think lol! Besides, Pat also had a heart and was a caring old slapper so I'll forgive her anything compared to Stacey who is just nasty. She knows she's making a fool out of Martin yet look how she's treating him? Most of the time she treats him like a bad smell and berates him because he hasn't got an encyclopaedic knowledge of bi-polar!

Ugh, she's horrible and should never be compared to the late, great Pat!
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Old 09-11-2015, 14:23
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Nobody in EastEnders is perfect, but Stacey does tend to go out of her way to destroy peoples lives for a quick shag and then blame everyone else but herself when it all goes tits up.

This will be the third marriage she has ruined.
But Stacey isn't the only one who has cheated and destroyed a marriage. Phil destroyed his brothers marriage. Bianca destroyed her marriage and her mum's relationship by sleeping with Dan.
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Old 09-11-2015, 14:24
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Difference is Pat was no angel but never tried to pretend otherwise or justify her actions by blaming anyone else, trying to get people to understand, see her side or sympathise etc. She always owned what she did and paid the appropriate price - I doubt very much we'd have seen Pat allowing her dead husband who she's supposed to have loved to take the blame for a murder she committed for example.

The only reason that Pat has been brought up is because the OP thinks it's a similar storyline in that she brought one of her son's up believing he was another man's child and that she had an affair with Frank behind Peggy's back. But Frank and Peggy went way back, they already had an established and long romantic history way before Frank got with Peggy (and had actually been married) so it's not quite the same as Stacey and Kush scratching a sexual itch behind her best friend's and his partner's back is it? Pat and Frank were a legendary couple who couldn't seem to live together but couldn't live apart either.

Yes Pat let another man think he was the father of her son but for that I'll forgive her as I reckon in the days before DNA/divorce being commonplace it was a lot more common than we think lol! Besides, Pat also had a heart and was a caring old slapper so I'll forgive her anything compared to Stacey who is just nasty. She knows she's making a fool out of Martin yet look how she's treating him? Most of the time she treats him like a bad smell and berates him because he hasn't got an encyclopaedic knowledge of bi-polar!

Ugh, she's horrible and should never be compared to the late, great Pat!
but even though Stacey is unlikeable does it mean she should leave? And also it doesn't mean that Stacey can't be redeemed just like it means that Ian is unlikeable it doesn't mean Ian can't be redeemed. All Stacey needs to do is take responsibility for her actions. Maybe when her baby is born there will be another twist that the baby is Martins.
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Old 09-11-2015, 14:46
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but even though Stacey is unlikeable does it mean she should leave? And also it doesn't mean that Stacey can't be redeemed just like it means that Ian is unlikeable it doesn't mean Ian can't be redeemed. All Stacey needs to do is take responsibility for her actions. Maybe when her baby is born there will be another twist that the baby is Martins.
No I don't think that Stacey should leave lol!

What she needs to do is woman up and tell everyone the truth as bad as the fall out will be for her, face up to it and not expect a man to bring up a child that isn't his and expect the actual father to sit across the square and keep quiet while another man brings up his son! Yet according to Stacey "that's what people do"! Eh, no. Tell her to p!ss off Kush. If Stacey doesn't do the right thing HE should by first telling his wife and falling on her mercy and then hot-footing it to find Martin and tell him the truth - Martin and Stacey weren't together when Stacey and Kush had their dalliance IIRC, but he needs to let Martin know that he's being taken for a fool, after all Martin is supposed to be his best friend.

As for Ian, the only way he can be redeemed (IMO) is to drag his brat to the police station and tell them what he did so that an innocent man can be released from prison!
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Old 09-11-2015, 14:59
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No I don't think that Stacey should leave lol!

What she needs to do is woman up and tell everyone the truth as bad as the fall out will be for her, face up to it and not expect a man to bring up a child that isn't his and expect the actual father to sit across the square and keep quiet while another man brings up his son! Yet according to Stacey "that's what people do"! Eh, no. Tell her to p!ss off Kush. If Stacey doesn't do the right thing HE should by first telling his wife and falling on her mercy and then hot-footing it to find Martin and tell him the truth - Martin and Stacey weren't together when Stacey and Kush had their dalliance IIRC, but he needs to let Martin know that he's being taken for a fool, after all Martin is supposed to be his best friend.

As for Ian, the only way he can be redeemed (IMO) is to drag his brat to the police station and tell them what he did so that an innocent man can be released from prison!
How would you redeem Stacey? I would have her own up and take responsibility for breaking Tanya and Max up in 2007 and I would have her tell Shabnam and Martin the truth I hope there can maybe be a twist that the hospital got the dates wrong and that the baby is Martin's or Max's. Some women are quite big at 4 or 5 months or 6 months.
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Old 09-11-2015, 15:06
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Difference is, Pat and EastEnders' bitch, Janine, didn't persuade anyone that it was someone else who was in the wrong; both accepted full responsibilities for their actions, whereas Stacey bumps off people's dads and breaks up homes and wants people to feel pity for her.

It's a shame because earlier on in this stint she did accept responsibility for Archie's murder, but she's regressed considerably. Shows you how much of an expert DTC is at character destruction.
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Old 09-11-2015, 15:09
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Difference is Pat was no angel but never tried to pretend otherwise or justify her actions by blaming anyone else, trying to get people to understand, see her side or sympathise etc. She always owned what she did and paid the appropriate price - I doubt very much we'd have seen Pat allowing her dead husband who she's supposed to have loved to take the blame for a murder she committed for example.

The only reason that Pat has been brought up is because the OP thinks it's a similar storyline in that she brought one of her son's up believing he was another man's child and that she had an affair with Frank behind Peggy's back. But Frank and Peggy went way back, they already had an established and long romantic history way before Frank got with Peggy (and had actually been married) so it's not quite the same as Stacey and Kush scratching a sexual itch behind her best friend's and his partner's back is it? Pat and Frank were a legendary couple who couldn't seem to live together but couldn't live apart either.

Yes Pat let another man think he was the father of her son but for that I'll forgive her as I reckon in the days before DNA/divorce being commonplace it was a lot more common than we think lol! Besides, Pat also had a heart and was a caring old slapper so I'll forgive her anything compared to Stacey who is just nasty. She knows she's making a fool out of Martin yet look how she's treating him? Most of the time she treats him like a bad smell and berates him because he hasn't got an encyclopaedic knowledge of bi-polar!

Ugh, she's horrible and should never be compared to the late, great Pat!
Fantastic post.
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Old 09-11-2015, 15:31
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Difference is, Pat and EastEnders' bitch, Janine, didn't persuade anyone that it was someone else who was in the wrong; both accepted full responsibilities for their actions, whereas Stacey bumps off people's dads and breaks up homes and wants people to feel pity for her.

It's a shame because earlier on in this stint she did accept responsibility for Archie's murder, but she's regressed considerably. Shows you how much of an expert DTC is at character destruction.

This exactly both Pat and Janine owned their mistakes, they didn't try and hide their faults or act all innocent. I am glad neither are in the show now because this lot would make a meal of them. For all her faults Pat was in the end a tart with a heart. She would be turning in her grave watching Ian now and she would have a few choice words for Stacey as well.
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Old 09-11-2015, 15:35
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If Stacey owned up to her mistakes all of them then can she be redeemed in the future maybe not right now but in a few months or a year?
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Old 09-11-2015, 22:29
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To me your opening post read more like the response to another post - possibly because it started with a closed question (one that has a yes, no answer).

I suspect that at least some of the current anger at Stacey's behaviour is motivated by sympathy for Shabnam's situation. We've watched Shabs go through a horrific experience and understand how much she loves Kush despite not being very demonstrative.

Compare it to the way most FM responded to Ben cheating on Abi with Paul - Abi deserved it because she was being so nasty to Max and she should "know" that Ben was gay; Abi is a confused girl who wants to be loved and believes her boyfriend when he says he loves her and is striking out at the father who has neglected her in favour of getting his leg over or her sister because she was quiet.
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Old 09-11-2015, 22:45
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Old 09-11-2015, 23:03
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No offense, but what is the point of this thread?
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Old 10-11-2015, 07:23
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Morms, I completely and utterly disagree. MyLauren is perfect.
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Old 10-11-2015, 20:54
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Why does the bulk of the blame seem to be on Stacey. Just saying Max, Ryan and Kush all had the chance and right to say no and keep their flys zipped. Just saying. Equal culpability, equal blame.
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Old 10-11-2015, 21:03
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Old 10-11-2015, 21:04
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Old 10-11-2015, 21:15
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Why does the bulk of the blame seem to be on Stacey. Just saying Max, Ryan and Kush all had the chance and right to say no and keep their flys zipped. Just saying. Equal culpability, equal blame.
Yes indeed. Max was just as responsible for his marriage breaking up. Also it needs to be reiterated that St Tanya got together with max while he was married to Bradley's mum aswell.
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