Ive come to a point where Ive lost interest

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Brandon_Smith

10-11-2015

Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“It's far from perfect at the moment...but it never has been. Lots of things they could improve and lots of things that they could stop/start doing. But anyone who thinks what the show needs is for it to become the quaint weekly adventures of the Doctor and his passive dolly bird assistant where they fight 'baddies' on a cheaply rendered alien planet and then fly off again with no consequences and the kind of cookie cutter moralistic simplicity that would insult a three year old is deluding themselves. RTD knew such a show would bomb. So he chucked out all the arcane and outdated nerd rubbish, retained the good bits and made a Doctor Who for our times. Moffat has for the most part continued that formula. There always seems to be a scorched earth policy with Doctor Who fans...if somethings not working then 'get rid of it!'. Arcs. Two parters. Political messages. No. That's not the point. They need to be done well. Not abandoned.

Hate it or not but one thing Doctor Who isn't anymore is a laughing stock. It used to be. Because it had a laughably inhumane attitude towards emotion and relationships and the kind of things people that don't attend Babylon 5 conventions watch TV for these days.

Also I think some people need to stop mistaking their own weariness of the show and its format for inherent problems with the writing. I know people who only started watching with Matt Smith who are still utterly enthralled by the show week in week out. Maybe the funs not there because youre ten years in and there's a slight sense of seen it all before.

This explains why a lot of the critcims hurled at current Who could objectively just as easily be applied to the RTD era. But back then it was new and novel. Fatigue hadn't set in. I expect if Moffat and friends produced an episode like The Shakespeare Code or The Unicorn and the Wasp now it would get torn to pieces.

That's why I think a resting of the show would be good. It's utter nonsense when fans and Moffat pretend DW has some divine right to be on TV. No it doesn't. And the argument that regressing back to the RTD era to recreate the shows 'glory days' of nine million viewers overnight and Kylie Minogue is the answer is laughable. Those days are gone. They were great. But theyre gone.”

Omg I completey agree with what you said about it being for our times and stories are gonna be rehashed and get to be like seen it all before but I also think it could be due to a showrunner whos been sucked dry out of original ideas I want a new one and a fresh start for Doctor Who like when Moffat first came in at Series 5 I loved it Matt Smith became Doctor Who but I think we need someone new.

Brandon_Smith

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“I dont know whether its the writing or the actors are the reason Ive lost interest and we all know that the writing cannot go back to the old DW days

I only know that I maybe looking for adventure and thrills in time and space and not IMO lectures on war, peace and any other fashionable subject to take the writers fancy

I watch DW to escape from the outside world I want to leave my brain at the door and just be entertained I dont look at DW and dissect it saying this cant happen because it would cause a timey wimey thingy
maybe I was never a die hard fan because I am now bored with it and have not accepted the new preaching style Dr

A FM commented

'anyone who thinks what the show needs is for it to become the quaint weekly adventures of the Doctor and his passive dolly bird assistant where they fight 'baddies' on a cheaply rendered alien planet and then fly off again with no consequences and the kind of cookie cutter moralistic simplicity that would insult a three year old is deluding themselves'

well Im sorry I dont think I am deluding myself when I am sitting watching The Curse of Fenric I thought that was a bloody good DW story (and yes its a story about war), it may have dodgy effects by todays standards but the acting was good and so was the story line the only thing I dont like is that it was a four week story
so I dont think its fair to just dismiss past DW shows just because they are older than a lot of todays viewers

Im not steeped in the old DW there are a lot of episodes I love from the last 10 years I just wish we got back to adventure, thrills and spills”

This, I agree completely. Doctor Who has turned into the Doctor questioning himself or giving lectures every episode now or being lectured, Moffat has lost his Series 5 magic with Amelia and The Doctor and they were amazing they just travelled like Vampires In Venice I enjoyed it was fun adventures untill they occasionaly ran into a crack and The Doctor did his thing inbetween sometimes now its so intensive on Am I a good man, I killed my people, Galifrey this Galifrey that, Doctor your too mean, Doctor your too nice, War this and war that. Doctor Who watching a new episode from now compared to 2005-2012 its very different the feel and atmosphere its like someone had died

henry_hope

11-11-2015

series 9 doctor reverted to nice and silly fool like Matt Smith.
Series 8 doctor was more like difficult dour Hartnell doctor which had edgy possibilities because they havent done that for a while, where as we have had silly doctor since Tennant.
I prefer to be challenged than comforted.

henry_hope

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by GDK:
“I have to agree with Tom Tit. Bravo.

Many people around here really don't seem to "get" that perception is almost entirely subjective which makes any opinions based on those perceptions no more or less valid than any other. Likewise, liking some episodes and not others (while other people like all or dislike all) is not evidence of superior tastes or of any kind of objectivity.

And since mere opinion can influence the opinions of others there are times when opinions can become self fulfilling prophecies.”

Good point. Plus, those who write opinions on internet sites are a minority of those viewing, not a majority....so their opinion is very selective. They are the die hards maybe. The vast majority dont comment about why they watch or not. They will have to send out a household questionaire to find that out! So I agree that internet comments have to be taken with a pinch of salt...especially since its all anonymous and could be three people with pseudonyms!

Rocketpop

11-11-2015

I've found people on here who complain about Doctor Who at the minute often spent an awful amount of their posting on the Big Brother forum.

Granny McSmith

11-11-2015

Re the "Doctor Who fatigue" comments - I'd have had this when Davison took over if I was going to get it. I didn't even feel fatigued when I watched Trial of a TimeLord, I just rolled my eyes.

And while Matt was doing his thing I was also listening to the Eighth Doctor Adventures on radio, and was entranced. Lucie Miller - amazing. Fantastic story arc, wonderful episodes and characters, and a Doctor who was just perfect in the role.

So it's not Doctor Who per se which has left me feeling a bit lukewarm about it in recent years.

I'm glad Tom Tit and others are enjoying it. I certainly wouldn't say Moffat isn't a clever writer. I've loved a lot of his stuff, for DW and Sherlock. But for me very often there's no excitement in the writing. It's all set up, then it fizzles out. And it's solved by "lurve", or some time paradox (good the first time, now drearily dull), or the Doctor or Clara talks the baddie into giving up, and I just roll my eyes (again

).

I suppose it depends what you want from DW. I want to laugh one minute and cry the next, to not have a clue how the problem is to be solved and to be amazed or amused when the solution comes. I want to feel the excitement when the Doctor and companion set out to a new unexplored world (even if that world turns out to be this world).

I love DW. I'm certainly not going to stop watching it. (I didn't stop after The Doctor in Narnia, which proves my devotion). But it's not currently my favourite thing ever on TV. Hopefully it will be again at some point.

slappers r us

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by Rocketpop:
“I've found people on here who complain about Doctor Who at the minute often spent an awful amount of their posting on the Big Brother forum.”

and whats wrong with that?
are their opinions on DW not worthy or as valid as of some of the psesudo intellectuals that trawl all the forums

do FMs only have to post exclusively on the DW forum to have an opinion

we all tend to have subjects/forums we like to have an opinion on and DS gives us the opportunity to have a wide choice of subjects

after Saturday nights dissapointment I wanted to share that dissapointment and thoughts on the reasons why I felt that way

when praising the writing and acting of DW in the past my posting history has never been brought up before
I wonder why now

slappers r us

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“Re the "Doctor Who fatigue" comments - I'd have had this when Davison took over if I was going to get it. I didn't even feel fatigued when I watched Trial of a TimeLord, I just rolled my eyes.

And while Matt was doing his thing I was also listening to the Eighth Doctor Adventures on radio, and was entranced. Lucie Miller - amazing. Fantastic story arc, wonderful episodes and characters, and a Doctor who was just perfect in the role.

So it's not Doctor Who per se which has left me feeling a bit lukewarm about it in recent years.

I'm glad Tom Tit and others are enjoying it. I certainly wouldn't say Moffat isn't a clever writer. I've loved a lot of his stuff, for DW and Sherlock. But for me very often there's no excitement in the writing. It's all set up, then it fizzles out. And it's solved by "lurve", or some time paradox (good the first time, now drearily dull), or the Doctor or Clara talks the baddie into giving up, and I just roll my eyes (again ).

I suppose it depends what you want from DW. I want to laugh one minute and cry the next, to not have a clue how the problem is to be solved and to be amazed or amused when the solution comes. I want to feel the excitement when the Doctor and companion set out to a new unexplored world (even if that world turns out to be this world).

I love DW. I'm certainly not going to stop watching it. (I didn't stop after The Doctor in Narnia, which proves my devotion). But it's not currently my favourite thing ever on TV. Hopefully it will be again at some point.”

BIB

I think this sums up how I feel

Soupietwist

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I suppose it depends what you want from DW. I want to laugh one minute and cry the next, to not have a clue how the problem is to be solved and to be amazed or amused when the solution comes. I want to feel the excitement when the Doctor and companion set out to a new unexplored world (even if that world turns out to be this world). ”

To be honest Doctor Who has often since it's return (and before) suffered from extremely weak solutions to it's episodes or series arcs. I'd argue the RTD era relied more heavily on the Sonic Screwdriver is a Magic Wand solution more than Moffat - i'd also add no series more me has had a completely satisfying solution to it's arc.

Rocketpop

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“and whats wrong with that?
are their opinions on DW not worthy or as valid as of some of the psesudo intellectuals that trawl all the forums

do FMs only have to post exclusively on the DW forum to have an opinion

we all tend to have subjects/forums we like to have an opinion on and DS gives us the opportunity to have a wide choice of subjects

after Saturday nights dissapointment I wanted to share that dissapointment and thoughts on the reasons why I felt that way

when praising the writing and acting of DW in the past my posting history has never been brought up before
I wonder why now”

I never said it was an problem, I just merely pointed out more often than not people who criticise the show in it's current run often post in forums i'd not expect. You see the episode that lead you to make this post about losing interest has been widely loved by fans. For example here is Den of Geeks review...

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-w...version-review

kirbyreed

11-11-2015

i agree. the only episodes i have liked so far are the first two and even then i didn't love them. i just feel the show has lost it's fun element, the whole thing is just a character study and it is getting boring.

The War Doctor

11-11-2015

I've lost interest too. I say this as someone who loved series eight, and was really looking forward to series nine, but I've lost interest in the show now. I still like collecting the merchandise, and think Peter Capaldi is wonderful, but the stories don't appeal to me. I watched the first four episodes, and thought they were okay - not great, but watchable. I missed episode five, and I never went back.

These two part stories do not appeal to me, and while I love The Twelfth Doctor and (to a lesser extent) Clara and Missy, some of the episodes are pants. I'll still buy the DVD, and perhaps I will enjoy the episodes more in my own time, but I can understand why others are fed up with the show now.

Granny McSmith

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by Soupietwist:
“To be honest Doctor Who has often since it's return (and before) suffered from extremely weak solutions to it's episodes or series arcs. I'd argue the RTD era relied more heavily on the Sonic Screwdriver is a Magic Wand solution more than Moffat - i'd also add no series more me has had a completely satisfying solution to it's arc.”

It's really not an RTD v Moffat thing. Some of the episodes in RTD's time were just bad. Some made me groan they were so awful. And some of Moffat's stuff has been brilliant.

Recently I haven't even groaned. It's just yawn. Watch and forget.

broadshoulder

11-11-2015

do also like Peter Capaldi . I like it when he shouts at children

However I have bailed. Only a new producer can bring me back..

johnnysaucepn

11-11-2015

It's perfectly normal for viewers of any programme to lose interest. I doubt there's anyone who has ever watched every episode of Eastenders, or who watched Smallville from series 1 through 10 with the same level of interest.

Whether or not you feel the same way about a programme you used to obsess over isn't necessarily down to a change in management or style or quality. Sometimes, it's just life.

GDK

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“
[Snip a lot of stuff I agree with]

Hate it or not but one thing Doctor Who isn't anymore is a laughing stock. It used to be. Because it had a laughably inhumane attitude towards emotion and relationships and the kind of things people that don't attend Babylon 5 conventions watch TV for these days.

[Snip a lot of stuff I agree with]
”

Sorry to do this on a DW forum, but WTF? B5 is nothing like you imply in your remarks. I'd have to guess you never watched more than a few minutes of the pilot before writing it off.

It's another series that's worth paying attention to to get the most from it.

lanners

11-11-2015

While I think the episodes overall were better under RTD I don't want to got back to the companion fancying the doctor. I think PC is a good doctor but the writing needs to be better for him. Its a bit like Sylvester McCoy. Some of the episodes were rank but there did have some gems Curse of Fendrick been one of them and one of my all time favourates.

lanners

11-11-2015

Originally Posted by GDK:
“Sorry to do this on a DW forum, but WTF? B5 is nothing like you imply in your remarks. I'd have to guess you never watched more than a few minutes of the pilot before writing it off.

It's another series that's worth paying attention to to get the most from it.”

B5 is my all time favourite show (sorry). The continuing storey arc made it a fantastic series and it show s that J. Michael Straczyni watched Blakes 7 and use that as a template.

Unicyclatrix

11-11-2015

I've said it before, I'll say it again ... the Who team should definitely be thinking about spinning off a new version of blakes seven!

But on the topic - I will always watch a new episode of Dr Who, and I strongly suspect that the people who say that they won't any more will too. Through all the new series, I just wish there were a lot more of the stronger stories like Human Nature and The Doctor Dances and a hell of a lot less farting aliens/aliens with a ridiculous plan/Where the whole world is taken over and it is announced on every news channel so that it kind of proves to the audience that this is fiction... I mean, in the X files, did you get scenes of CBS and CNN announcing to the nation that Mulder and Scully had found evidence of Aliens?

johnnysaucepn

12-11-2015

Originally Posted by Unicyclatrix:
“so that it kind of proves to the audience that this is fiction...”

There was doubt?

Brandon_Smith

12-11-2015

Originally Posted by Unicyclatrix:
“I've said it before, I'll say it again ... the Who team should definitely be thinking about spinning off a new version of blakes seven!

But on the topic - I will always watch a new episode of Dr Who, and I strongly suspect that the people who say that they won't any more will too. Through all the new series, I just wish there were a lot more of the stronger stories like Human Nature and The Doctor Dances and a hell of a lot less farting aliens/aliens with a ridiculous plan/Where the whole world is taken over and it is announced on every news channel so that it kind of proves to the audience that this is fiction... I mean, in the X files, did you get scenes of CBS and CNN announcing to the nation that Mulder and Scully had found evidence of Aliens?”

I like the slitheen episode I don't think you should take it too seriously it was fun like that bit when they were trying to pronounce raxicoricofalipatorious and when the doctor was trying to find out who were the slitheen were and when they tried to kill him... Say what you will but everyone found it at least a teeny weeny bit interesting sure the aliens werent Daleks or Cybermen or major names but it was just a fun saturday adventure and it builds it up. And it was interesting seeing humans see the slitheen ship crash land when The Doctor and Rose were on the roof having a talk. I think everyone liked it or thought it was ok to be honest.

nebogipfel

12-11-2015

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“It's really not an RTD v Moffat thing. Some of the episodes in RTD's time were just bad. Some made me groan they were so awful. And some of Moffat's stuff has been brilliant.

Recently I haven't even groaned. It's just yawn. Watch and forget.”

You yawned through a Zygon story? Good grief. Well - I'm groaning. Groaning and rolling my eyes. Sighing also. Hater.

Look - Troughton resigned and there's no bringing him back now even if they could (they can't). Just get used to it.

(btw, I'm working on an Alpha Centauri cosplay for Surbiton FantasyCon 2016 - If you're thinking of coming remember the conditions of your restraining order - no touchy touchy.)

But yeah - I agree with you on some of this. I'm enjoying the series but Moffat's approach to mystery and solutions arcs and characters doesn't really grab me. I just enjoy the individual stories to greater or lesser extent and if the arc isn't too thoroughly ridiculous or annoying then that's a bonus.

Granny McSmith

12-11-2015

Originally Posted by nebogipfel:
“You yawned through a Zygon story? Good grief. Well - I'm groaning. Groaning and rolling my eyes. Sighing also. Hater.

Look - Troughton resigned and there's no bringing him back now even if they could (they can't). Just get used to it.

(btw, I'm working on an Alpha Centauri cosplay for Surbiton FantasyCon 2016 - If you're thinking of coming remember the conditions of your restraining order - no touchy touchy.)

But yeah - I agree with you on some of this. I'm enjoying the series but Moffat's approach to mystery and solutions arcs and characters doesn't really grab me. I just enjoy the individual stories to greater or lesser extent and if the arc isn't too thoroughly ridiculous or annoying then that's a bonus.”

If you think I'm coming to a FantasyCon with you after the Myrka debacle, you can think again.

Still....Alpha Centauri.....mmm....I'll let you know. Maybe I'll get my Zygon costume out and repair it - I won't embarrass you by telling everyone how it got damaged in the first place.

Unicyclatrix

12-11-2015

Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“There was doubt?”

Yes of course there is...

Even the most fantastic fiction has to be grounded in some reality, surely. If you do a story about the Empire State being moved to a new location sometime in the future, and people being saved by International Rescue when it all goes a a bit pete tong, that's got a bit of plausability. Might happen. Set the same story last week, when you know the Empire State building is where it always been, and no-one has ever had any intention of moving it anyways, that's different.
Same thing with Doctor Who. We all know its fiction... but any fiction needs believability, Sci Fi or not. I know the planes didn't stop all over the world... I know the slitheen didnt replace the blair cabinet, Big Ben didn't get smashed up by an alien spaceship, and a large planet filled with timelords certainly didn't manifest in the sky causing no particular problems with tides.. it obviously, totally, did not happen.
But maybe a village did get visited by an ancient evil in 1971, or a mining expedition will have troubles with their robots in the far future. Thats what I was trying to get across.

sebbie3000

13-11-2015

Originally Posted by Unicyclatrix:
“Yes of course there is...

Even the most fantastic fiction has to be grounded in some reality, surely. If you do a story about the Empire State being moved to a new location sometime in the future, and people being saved by International Rescue when it all goes a a bit pete tong, that's got a bit of plausability. Might happen. Set the same story last week, when you know the Empire State building is where it always been, and no-one has ever had any intention of moving it anyways, that's different.
Same thing with Doctor Who. We all know its fiction... but any fiction needs believability, Sci Fi or not. I know the planes didn't stop all over the world... I know the slitheen didnt replace the blair cabinet, Big Ben didn't get smashed up by an alien spaceship, and a large planet filled with timelords certainly didn't manifest in the sky causing no particular problems with tides.. it obviously, totally, did not happen.
But maybe a village did get visited by an ancient evil in 1971, or a mining expedition will have troubles with their robots in the far future. Thats what I was trying to get across.”

So how does that gel with alternative history fiction?

I'm sorry, but you're only talking about a specific type of fiction, which Doctor Who doesn't come under. It only has to ascribe to the rules laid out in its own universe. Not ours - if the rules are supposed to match our own, then they wouldn't be doing half of these stories at least.

If you only think of a niche of fiction as being the rule-set, then you'd be sorely disappointed by the majority of science fiction out there.

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