Poor song - Uptown Sax.
Ah well
Ah well
Can we take a moment to appreciate how good Fleurs return was?
4 of 6
There is no point arguing with Fleur haters, Jeref. Their automatic and generic response is:
"If you don't like my opinion then go to the appropriate forum!!!"
"If you don't like my opinion then go to the appropriate forum!!!"
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Well maybe that's because hardly anyone has anything negative to say about Little Mix?”
“Well maybe that's because hardly anyone has anything negative to say about Little Mix?”
Jeref does...created a thread comparing Little Mix and 4th Impact and said 4th impact were so much better. Of course most disagreed and said Little Mix were much better
Does anyone know for sure whether she mimed or not?
Though if she spoke into Ollies mic afterwards, that does give the game away a bit....
Though if she spoke into Ollies mic afterwards, that does give the game away a bit....
Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“Jeref does...created a thread comparing Little Mix and 4th Impact and said 4th impact were so much better. Of course most disagreed and said Little Mix were much better”
“Jeref does...created a thread comparing Little Mix and 4th Impact and said 4th impact were so much better. Of course most disagreed and said Little Mix were much better”
I most certainly did, but not sure what that has to do with Fleur tbh.
Originally Posted by Fiercefanatic:
“There is no point arguing with Fleur haters, Jeref. Their automatic and generic response is:
"If you don't like my opinion then go to the appropriate forum!!!"”
“There is no point arguing with Fleur haters, Jeref. Their automatic and generic response is:
"If you don't like my opinion then go to the appropriate forum!!!"”
oh the irony ...
She performed well but she's not a great vocalist at all
I imagine she'll do well as Simon is putting money behind her but that doesn't mean much in terms of her ability. Certain members of 1D were dire vocally and Olly was a weak contestant but they were seen as a viable product so had the required promotion and energy invested in them to make it work.
I imagine she'll do well as Simon is putting money behind her but that doesn't mean much in terms of her ability. Certain members of 1D were dire vocally and Olly was a weak contestant but they were seen as a viable product so had the required promotion and energy invested in them to make it work.
Originally Posted by Firebird_Twist:
“She performed well but she's not a great vocalist at all I imagine she'll do well as Simon is putting money behind her but that doesn't mean much in terms of her ability. Certain members of 1D were dire vocally and Olly was a weak contestant but they were seen as a viable product so had the required promotion and energy invested in them to make it work.”
“She performed well but she's not a great vocalist at all
I imagine she'll do well as Simon is putting money behind her but that doesn't mean much in terms of her ability. Certain members of 1D were dire vocally and Olly was a weak contestant but they were seen as a viable product so had the required promotion and energy invested in them to make it work.”
With all due respect Fleur is way above olly Murs standardwhich is dire.
Originally Posted by cas1977:
“Does anyone know for sure whether she mimed or not?
Though if she spoke into Ollies mic afterwards, that does give the game away a bit....”
“Does anyone know for sure whether she mimed or not?
Though if she spoke into Ollies mic afterwards, that does give the game away a bit....”
Plus she was out of breath, you can't sing properly if you're so out of breath
Originally Posted by cas1977:
“Does anyone know for sure whether she mimed or not?
Though if she spoke into Ollies mic afterwards, that does give the game away a bit....”
“Does anyone know for sure whether she mimed or not?
Though if she spoke into Ollies mic afterwards, that does give the game away a bit....”
Well, she did sing live, couldn't you tell? it was so obvious she was singing live - her vocals didn't sound like they did on the track. less polished because she was doing choreography and jumping off stages, its so easy to tell. Maybe speaking into Ollys mic was just because he shoved it in her face, its not always a bad theory?
Hilarious that a couple of you keep redirecting Fleur fans to appreciation thread, I personally prefer threads on the XF forum because there is usually healthy debate, but we just keep going round in circles don't we. I have nothing against people not liking Fleur's music that's their own personal opinion but what grinds my gears is the unfair criticism like she didn't contribute to her album and she offers nothing when i'm pretty sure she projects her personality, vocals, performance and credits to songwriters as its their music she is sending out into the world. Also saying shes going to flop? Where is she flopping exactly, there are millions out there who see her potential and talent. Oh and the whole thing about how shes been given preferential treatment to Ben etc, even if people think that it shouldn't be her who gets the flack its not her fault that criticism belongs to Mr Simon Cowell.
Fleur fans have as much right to big her up, yes you can debate it out and dislike her voice but some of the comments are quite unfair. To say she is over rated, that's your opinion but at the end of the day its subjective - nobody likes the same music or voices, just because you don't like somebody's voice it doesn't mean they can not sing. Yes Fleur does not have the biggest vocal going, but shes more a performer like Rihanna or Janet and before you shut me down i'm not comparing them to her, but that's the type of artist I imagine her to be like when she's more established, they don't focus on vocals necessarily but more about putting on big shows and production to entertain a crowd and that is what sells. Alot of people like ballads but I'm much more about seeing someone who can perform and do it all else It gets to be a bit of a snoozefest.
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“Well, she did sing live, couldn't you tell? it was so obvious she was singing live - her vocals didn't sound like they did on the track. less polished because she was doing choreography and jumping off stages, its so easy to tell. Maybe speaking into Ollys mic was just because he shoved it in her face, its not always a bad theory?
Hilarious that a couple of you keep redirecting Fleur fans to appreciation thread, I personally prefer threads on the XF forum because there is usually healthy debate, but we just keep going round in circles don't we. I have nothing against people not liking Fleur's music that's their own personal opinion but what grinds my gears is the unfair criticism like she didn't contribute to her album and she offers nothing when i'm pretty sure she projects her personality, vocals, performance and credits to songwriters as its their music she is sending out into the world. Also saying shes going to flop? Where is she flopping exactly, there are millions out there who see her potential and talent. Oh and the whole thing about how shes been given preferential treatment to Ben etc, even if people think that it shouldn't be her who gets the flack its not her fault that criticism belongs to Mr Simon Cowell.”
“Well, she did sing live, couldn't you tell? it was so obvious she was singing live - her vocals didn't sound like they did on the track. less polished because she was doing choreography and jumping off stages, its so easy to tell. Maybe speaking into Ollys mic was just because he shoved it in her face, its not always a bad theory?
Hilarious that a couple of you keep redirecting Fleur fans to appreciation thread, I personally prefer threads on the XF forum because there is usually healthy debate, but we just keep going round in circles don't we. I have nothing against people not liking Fleur's music that's their own personal opinion but what grinds my gears is the unfair criticism like she didn't contribute to her album and she offers nothing when i'm pretty sure she projects her personality, vocals, performance and credits to songwriters as its their music she is sending out into the world. Also saying shes going to flop? Where is she flopping exactly, there are millions out there who see her potential and talent. Oh and the whole thing about how shes been given preferential treatment to Ben etc, even if people think that it shouldn't be her who gets the flack its not her fault that criticism belongs to Mr Simon Cowell.”
Lots of artists have a studio track with slightly rougher vocals that is used for so called 'live' performances to make it look, and sound, more like a live performance. Different sounding vocals are not proof that an artist is singing live, It's just another industry con to make people believe that they are.
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“With all due respect Fleur is way above olly Murs standardwhich is dire.”
“With all due respect Fleur is way above olly Murs standardwhich is dire.”
That's subjective and not an absolute
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“Well, she did sing live, couldn't you tell? it was so obvious she was singing live - her vocals didn't sound like they did on the track. less polished because she was doing choreography and jumping off stages, its so easy to tell. Maybe speaking into Ollys mic was just because he shoved it in her face, its not always a bad theory?”
“Well, she did sing live, couldn't you tell? it was so obvious she was singing live - her vocals didn't sound like they did on the track. less polished because she was doing choreography and jumping off stages, its so easy to tell. Maybe speaking into Ollys mic was just because he shoved it in her face, its not always a bad theory?”
Or perhaps she mimed parts of it and sung parts of it live as Cheryl often does. Or perhaps she mimed along to a pre-recorded 'live' vocal track that is different from the studio version so that it appears live. That's not an uncommon practice for pop acts, especially for those that do a lot of dancing.
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“Hilarious that a couple of you keep redirecting Fleur fans to appreciation thread, I personally prefer threads on the XF forum because there is usually healthy debate, but we just keep going round in circles don't we.”
“Hilarious that a couple of you keep redirecting Fleur fans to appreciation thread, I personally prefer threads on the XF forum because there is usually healthy debate, but we just keep going round in circles don't we.”
The appreciation threads are there for a reason.
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“I have nothing against people not liking Fleur's music that's their own personal opinion but what grinds my gears is the unfair criticism like she didn't contribute to her album and she offers nothing when i'm pretty sure she projects her personality, vocals, performance and credits to songwriters as its their music she is sending out into the world. Also saying shes going to flop? Where is she flopping exactly, there are millions out there who see her potential and talent. Oh and the whole thing about how shes been given preferential treatment to Ben etc, even if people think that it shouldn't be her who gets the flack its not her fault that criticism belongs to Mr Simon Cowell.”
“I have nothing against people not liking Fleur's music that's their own personal opinion but what grinds my gears is the unfair criticism like she didn't contribute to her album and she offers nothing when i'm pretty sure she projects her personality, vocals, performance and credits to songwriters as its their music she is sending out into the world. Also saying shes going to flop? Where is she flopping exactly, there are millions out there who see her potential and talent. Oh and the whole thing about how shes been given preferential treatment to Ben etc, even if people think that it shouldn't be her who gets the flack its not her fault that criticism belongs to Mr Simon Cowell.”
No-one's saying she offers nothing. Some people are saying she doesn't offer all that much. Again, they're perfectly entitled to do so on an open forum.
I quite like the single. I just don't think it has anything much to do with her.
As for the comparisons between the opportunities afforded between Ben and Fleur - they only keep coming up because certain FFs (that's my new acronym for Fleur Fans btw) keep going on about how she'll 'do better than Ben' as if it's still a competition. NEWSFLASH: No-one cares apart from FFs and BFs. What I do care about is the integrity of the show's premise and if the show's premise is corrupt then that's a legitimate subject to discuss on an XF forum.
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“Fleur fans have as much right to big her up, yes you can debate it out and dislike her voice but some of the comments are quite unfair. To say she is over rated, that's your opinion but at the end of the day its subjective -”
“Fleur fans have as much right to big her up, yes you can debate it out and dislike her voice but some of the comments are quite unfair. To say she is over rated, that's your opinion but at the end of the day its subjective -”
BiB - this is a contradiction. If opinions are subjective how can they be unfair?
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“nobody likes the same music or voices, just because you don't like somebody's voice it doesn't mean they can not sing.”
“nobody likes the same music or voices, just because you don't like somebody's voice it doesn't mean they can not sing.”
Nobody's said she can't sing.
QUOTE=mmpfb;80318535]Or perhaps she mimed parts of it and sung parts of it live as Cheryl often does. Or perhaps she mimed along to a pre-recorded 'live' vocal track that is different from the studio version so that it appears live. That's not an uncommon practice for pop acts, especially for those that do a lot of dancing
Maybe she did, but if she did than surely it's still counted as live, even if was mimed, but Im choosing to believe it was live because I've seen her at the XF concert and am 100% sure it was live, as she spoke into her mic afterwards, not only that she is very capable.
The appreciation threads are there for a reason.
And I stated I didn't much like em!
No-one's saying she offers nothing. Some people are saying she doesn't offer all that much. Again, they're perfectly entitled to do so on an open forum.
Thats fine, but expect Fleur fans to say something back to debate... As you say its an open forum
I quite like the single. I just don't think it has anything much to do with her.
Guess we will never know if she co wrote it or not
As for the comparisons between the opportunities afforded between Ben and Fleur - they only keep coming up because certain FFs (that's my new acronym for Fleur Fans btw) keep going on about how she'll 'do better than Ben' as if it's still a competition. NEWSFLASH: No-one cares apart from FFs and BFs. What I do care about is the integrity of the show's premise and if the show's premise is corrupt then that's a legitimate subject to discuss on an XF forum.
Well, in truth she has done better than Ben on first single basis, but possibly not on albums, time will tell. Yes the show isnt great at integrity but again not Fleur's issue shes just simply signed to Syco.
BiB - this is a contradiction. If opinions are subjective how can they be unfair?
Because some of the stuff being said goes further than opinion its bordering on personal attack, Im not saying its you just a few things ive read.
Nobody's said she can't sing.[/quote]
Of course they have....
Maybe she did, but if she did than surely it's still counted as live, even if was mimed, but Im choosing to believe it was live because I've seen her at the XF concert and am 100% sure it was live, as she spoke into her mic afterwards, not only that she is very capable.
The appreciation threads are there for a reason.
And I stated I didn't much like em!
No-one's saying she offers nothing. Some people are saying she doesn't offer all that much. Again, they're perfectly entitled to do so on an open forum.
Thats fine, but expect Fleur fans to say something back to debate... As you say its an open forum
I quite like the single. I just don't think it has anything much to do with her.
Guess we will never know if she co wrote it or not
As for the comparisons between the opportunities afforded between Ben and Fleur - they only keep coming up because certain FFs (that's my new acronym for Fleur Fans btw) keep going on about how she'll 'do better than Ben' as if it's still a competition. NEWSFLASH: No-one cares apart from FFs and BFs. What I do care about is the integrity of the show's premise and if the show's premise is corrupt then that's a legitimate subject to discuss on an XF forum.
Well, in truth she has done better than Ben on first single basis, but possibly not on albums, time will tell. Yes the show isnt great at integrity but again not Fleur's issue shes just simply signed to Syco.
BiB - this is a contradiction. If opinions are subjective how can they be unfair?
Because some of the stuff being said goes further than opinion its bordering on personal attack, Im not saying its you just a few things ive read.
Nobody's said she can't sing.[/quote]
Of course they have....
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“your problem is in your first three words
people dont "hate" her , they just think she is a bit over-rated and as long as you have the attitude that anyone who disagrees with you is a "hater" then the sort of debate that supposedly this forum is all about will never happen”
“your problem is in your first three words
people dont "hate" her , they just think she is a bit over-rated and as long as you have the attitude that anyone who disagrees with you is a "hater" then the sort of debate that supposedly this forum is all about will never happen”
That's true. I don't hate anyone - I'm too old & don't have the bloody energy or time. I'm not against her doing well, I hope she does and she comes across as a nice person. But for me she isn't a good singer and that's a must for me. I'm sure she's a good performer and will be fun to watch live, but I just want a little bit more than just a good dancer when I go to a concert.
FACTS F leur is currently No 2 in Itunes, and No 3 in the Spotify UK Charts, so what ever anything thinks her debut single is a massive success.
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“FACTS F leur is currently No 2 in Itunes, and No 3 in the Spotify UK Charts, so what ever anything thinks her debut single is a massive success.”
“FACTS F leur is currently No 2 in Itunes, and No 3 in the Spotify UK Charts, so what ever anything thinks her debut single is a massive success.”
Well done to her. I hate the song and wasn't overly impressed with her on X Factor at the weekend. She's a good dancer though . . .
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“
And I stated I didn't much like em!”
“
And I stated I didn't much like em!”
That's fine. But you're not one of the posters (I don't think?) who keep spamming the main forums with Fleur threads so surely you can see how spam would become irritating for those of us who enjoy discussing the matter at hand for most of us which is the current series?
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“Guess we will never know if she co wrote it or not”
“Guess we will never know if she co wrote it or not”
Someone posted the official industry registration for the song on another thread. She didn't.
http://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?...erytype=WorkID
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“Well, in truth she has done better than Ben on first single basis, but possibly not on albums, time will tell. Yes the show isnt great at integrity but again not Fleur's issue shes just simply signed to Syco.”
“Well, in truth she has done better than Ben on first single basis, but possibly not on albums, time will tell. Yes the show isnt great at integrity but again not Fleur's issue shes just simply signed to Syco.”
With respect it's a bit early to say that yet. Ben's single is still hovering within the top 20 on iTunes over a month after a release so it's selling reasonably consistently and I believe it actually moved up this last week? Maybe it's a grower rather than a shower. I don't know where it will be in a month's time but then I don't know where Fleur's single will be in a months time. It's entirely feasible that Ben could end up selling more if Fleur's more front-loaded release drops off quicker. Then you have the variables of second single showings, albums etc...
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“If people are not keen on Fleur that is fair enough, but there is an element on here that come on the Fleur threads every single day just to be rude, and there really is no point in trying to have a sensible debate with anyone who is like that.”
“If people are not keen on Fleur that is fair enough, but there is an element on here that come on the Fleur threads every single day just to be rude, and there really is no point in trying to have a sensible debate with anyone who is like that.”
But it's ok for you to be to anyone who disagrees and never have any sort of debate apart from telling people who don't agree with you they're wrong?
Maybe practice what you preach every now and again
Originally Posted by Blondie X:
“But it's ok for you to be to anyone who disagrees and never have any sort of debate apart from telling people who don't agree with you they're wrong?
Maybe practice what you preach every now and again”
“But it's ok for you to be to anyone who disagrees and never have any sort of debate apart from telling people who don't agree with you they're wrong?
Maybe practice what you preach every now and again”
I am one of the very few on here that do try to debate, but most are just abusive so where is the point?
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“I am one of the very few on here that do try to debate, but most are just abusive so where is the point?”
“I am one of the very few on here that do try to debate, but most are just abusive so where is the point?”
At the end of the day it all comes down to personal taste, some will say she's extremely talented with an amazing voice while others will tell the truth.
Originally Posted by mimik1uk:
“”
“
”
Can't add to that.
I really wonder if I've stepped into a parallel universe
4 of 6
