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Elle was a goner after 10 minutes she didn't have a clue, "you don't have to know the job to manage just make people think you know what you are doing" well that came back to bite her.
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My Metro review of last night's episode. Honestly, £10 an hour for three people?!?
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I thought he was very unfair on Elle, she's a manger, her job is to recognise peoples skills and put them in the correct position, while keeping an overview. If I was her I would of turned around and asked LAS does he know how to build computers or crap HiFI's because he sells them?
I'd love it one year for someone to tell him to "sod off"and remind him of his utter failures (email phone anyone!!), he bangs on about how poor a product is etc, considering they've only had 24hrs to design and market it and aren't actually designers. While Amstrad backed by a wealth of talent, has often failed too! |
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Not that I'm accusing him of being fake, but I think it was important for Sugar not to be too harsh on Mergim. After he'd talked about how he and his family had arrived in the UK as refugees, to come down too hard of him would no doubt have led to some people accusing him of being anti-immigrant ...
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It was interesting that his BP involves property and land purchasing, no wonder LAS what's to stay intouch.
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My Metro review of last night's episode. Honestly, £10 an hour for three people?!?
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Our local bloke charges £25 an hour (just for himself) and he's well worth it. Mind you, he's not an idiot who doesn't know whether shelves are supposed to be straight or not.
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Not that I'm accusing him of being fake, but I think it was important for Sugar not to be too harsh on Mergim. After he'd talked about how he and his family had arrived in the UK as refugees, to come down too hard of him would no doubt have led to some people accusing him of being anti-immigrant ...
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Exactly - I've paid a similar hourly rate before too - sometimes more, sometimes less. While I wouldn't have necessarily expected our, ahem, unskilled candidates to have charged as much, equally farming themselves out for half the UK minimum wage was clearly underselling the service they were offering too. April's lack of awareness/common sense of what constituted a fair rate was poor, although far from the only or biggest mistake her team made. But I would have thought that £10 per person per hour (plus materials) would not have been unreasonable.
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But is this the problem with having such strict team formation. It doesn't take 3 people to fix a shelf, and if it did it certainly wouldn't cost £30, so to be fair she charged for the job which was £10 which is a fair price. But with the structure, the other 2 couldn't go off and do something else. Same for window cleaning, if they could of each cleaned a different shops window's at a tenner a pop it would be game on, but having to stay together dilutes the income.
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^^ true, but by the very nature of the task and the fact they weren't skilled tradesmen, meant the only sort of jobs they were going to get were "bob a job" type jobs. There's very few of those type of jobs were you can charge decent money per person and have 3 people working on it. Face it takes 1 or 2 people to mow a lawn, your not going to pay £15-20 per hour per person.
Usually it's a set fee, and if they use more people, that's down to them, but the work will get done quicker, so you can do more jobs, and make the hourly rate per person more respectable, |
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^^ true, but by the very nature of the task and the fact they weren't skilled tradesmen, meant the only sort of jobs they were going to get were "bob a job" type jobs. There's very few of those type of jobs were you can charge decent money per person and have 3 people working on it. Face it takes 1 or 2 people to mow a lawn, your not going to pay £15-20 per hour per person.
Usually it's a set fee, and if they use more people, that's down to them, but the work will get done quicker, so you can do more jobs, and make the hourly rate per person more respectable, |
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Scott's impossible gardening job (where Vana had to "reset expectations") charged £25 per person per hour.
Off-topic: is "reset expectations" one of the most sinister terms in corporate jargon? It means agree a service, and then change the service terms for the worse. |
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Just watched the show on iPlayer
Firing with triple barrels this week, nice to see it If people are not good enough, make too many mistakes, no messing about, just show them the door |
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Scott's impossible gardening job (where Vana had to "reset expectations") charged £25 per person per hour.
Off-topic: is "reset expectations" one of the most sinister terms in corporate jargon? It means agree a service, and then change the service terms for the worse. |
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Elle should have gone the week Jenny was fired. There was no way Jenny was going to win the competition but she deserved to stay just as long in the show as Elle has done.
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Would be surprised if Karren stays on for another series. She looks bored out of her mind.
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When Mergim started his sob story I thought I was watching XFactor
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Well, that was absolutely excruciating to watch.
It just goes to show, anybody can put on a suit and learn some jargon to fool people into thinking that they're a "businessman" but you absolutely cannot pretend to be a tradesman. I've always thought Elle was a waste of space and this task demonstrated it perfectly. Mergim was a good example of what's currently wrong with industry in the UK as well, I'm afraid. Enthusiasm is no substitute for skill and knowledge. It's all very well him being willing to pick up a screwdriver or a paintbrush but in doing so he's depriving a REAL handyman of a job and also depriving customers of quality workmanship. Overall, though, this episode really showed that when these people are called upon to actually do something which generates immediate, tangible, quantifiable, results - most of them are utterly pathetic. If I was Alan Sugar I think I'd have fired everybody except Brett, Gary, Joseph and Richard and then skipped straight to the part where I looked at their business proposals. |
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I thought he was very unfair on Elle, she's a manger, her job is to recognise peoples skills and put them in the correct position, while keeping an overview. If I was her I would of turned around and asked LAS does he know how to build computers or crap HiFI's because he sells them?!
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Her job is to get the right people for the right job at the right time, and act as a go between, between client and builders. It was stupid to suggest that because she works for a builders she should know how to build, hmm no she knows people who can build. Much as a said Sugar can't build a computer, but he knows a man who does.
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Her job is to get the right people for the right job at the right time, and act as a go between, between client and builders. It was stupid to suggest that because she works for a builders she should know how to build, hmm no she knows people who can build. Much as a said Sugar can't build a computer, but he knows a man who does.
For every person in industry like Elle (and there are far too many of them), there's somebody like Joseph who could render them redundant in every sense of the word. I have absolutely no sympathy for Elle at all. I meet far too many people like her and they're nothing more than oxygen thieves. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the construction company she works for is owned by her family. |
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Elle's job i think is more that of a secretary, make sure X has done Y as she doesn't even prepare her own checklists and she's probably done a basic h&s course and has a pink hard hat and steel toe capped high heels so is able to be insured to go onsite
Everyone knows she's just there to ensure boxes get ticked and if not pass that on to the people who will make them get ticked. Is the UK that bad at diy now that companies will let in any idiot with a camera crew to wreck their shelving or wallop everything in paint? or is there a team of proper people hiding and fixing up their f-up's when they move on |
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Sugar says he doesn't set any tasks he wouldn't be able to do himself. I want to see it then and first of all I want to see him write a book in 24 hours. I didn't realise he was an expert in every single industry going.
I was impressed with Brett- to be fair people really doing to stadium job would have had more time and he can't paint wet steps. |
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Sugar says he doesn't set any tasks he wouldn't be able to do himself. I want to see it then and first of all I want to see him write a book in 24 hours. I didn't realise he was an expert in every single industry going.
Seriously, he's a bright guy and assembling a satellite box or computer is not hard. Many hobbyists build their own PCs after choosing their own components. By the time Lord Sugar picked up a screwdriver, the parts would all be sitting in front of him like flat-packed furniture. The Apprentice tasks are not inherently technically difficult -- and experts are on hand to do those parts that are (eg candidates design a phone app, but the app design company actually codes it). (Not to say that selling is not a skill, of course.) What makes them hard is the artificial constraints -- daft deadlines; sleep deprivation and so on. |
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