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Old 11-11-2015, 23:01
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Jesus nothing pleases her, picking on poor David, Sugar should fire her arse.
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Old 11-11-2015, 23:30
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I've noticed that she seems to have a dislike for David for some reason. Back in the Pet Show task when he was TL she kind of mocked him for how enthusiastic he was when viewing the products but it was that enthusiasm that won them the balloons which were a major help in winning the task.

She also criticized his decision to abandon selling the t shirts and putting Joseph to work on the balloons as they had a huge queue of people waiting, what was he meant to do? Not get all hands on deck and potentially lose customers because they wouldn't stick around and wait? In the time it took Joseph to sell a t shirt they'd probably have sold the equivalent in balloons so to me it balanced out.

I know he cocked up with the measurements but as he said, he corrected it and they moved on. It's not like it was a huge disaster which ultimately cost them the task. Personally, I think Charleine should have been taken into the boardroom for agreeing a price over the phone despite not actually seeing the shop.

The owner pulled a fast one because she knew she could, I don't know of any trade person that would quote over the phone without seeing what work needed to be done. Realistically, they charged 100 pounds but could have gone up to 200 or more.
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Old 11-11-2015, 23:41
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She really has come across as rather moody and nasty this series. Which is a shame as I found her OK in previous series she was on.

Of course the candidates are useless at times/most of the time so of course there'll be a 'they really are hopeless' remarks by Sugar's "eyes and ears" but she's barely said anything positive about anyone all series. When Claude comes across as more complimentary then you then that's an issue.

And as mentioned she really doesn't seem to like David at all.
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Old 11-11-2015, 23:48
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Yes - what is her problem with David.

Is it because on the evidence of tonight's show he has bigger boobs than her?
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Old 11-11-2015, 23:59
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The slating of David was totally unwarranted by all parties tonight. Yes he ****ed up with the measurements and was pretty useless at DIY but that doesn't say anything about his business skills. He's totally inept with his hands and anything practical, Just because he was a man and wasn't good at manly things they just laid into him. At least he tried.
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Old 12-11-2015, 00:42
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Karen comes across nastily every series imo. She has a huge chip on her shoulder and she's very tedious to watch. Claude, on the other hand, I really like - if only it was him and Nick, then it'd be perfect.
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Old 12-11-2015, 01:07
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Claude has softened since becoming a regular. Karen has seen that Claude had built up a reputation and got noticed by being very strict on the candidates in the interviews. Karen, as ever, has stolen what worked for someone else, and just copied his playbook. She brings nothing herself to the table, all she does is copy what's worked for others, First it was Nick with the squinting and wincing in the corner, now it's Claude with the put downs and nasty comments.

She's dead weight and is dragging the show down. I bet the producers can see it and are desperate to get rid of her, but Sugar will have none of it because he's blinded by his friendship with her.
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Old 12-11-2015, 01:47
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Claude has softened since becoming a regular. Karen has seen that Claude had built up a reputation and got noticed by being very strict on the candidates in the interviews. Karen, as ever, has stolen what worked for someone else, and just copied his playbook. She brings nothing herself to the table, all she does is copy what's worked for others, First it was Nick with the squinting and wincing in the corner, now it's Claude with the put downs and nasty comments.

She's dead weight and is dragging the show down. I bet the producers can see it and are desperate to get rid of her, but Sugar will have none of it because he's blinded by his friendship with her.
It's a bit presumptious to guess that the producers agree with you and only Lord Sugar prevents Karren getting the sack. If the producers really did think she was doing a bad job they would be just as likely to give her some advice on how to perform better.

Perhaps David's overall performance was weak, we have no way of knowing. We don't see the whole task so if Karren of Claude notice something then it's likely there's something to it. Also, if David's mistake hadn't been spotted all the tubes could have been cut wrong. David was great last week, average at best this week. He wasn't bad enough to be fired so it won't do him any harm.

Some of her pronouncements this series have missed the mark but it's a TV show and she's got to find something to say in the boardroom.
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Old 12-11-2015, 02:18
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She seems particularly nasty this series. Glad she's not the one doing the firing.
I wouldn't miss her if she left.
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Old 12-11-2015, 02:31
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I don't like how she butts in on the tasks or in the boardroom - she is only there as an advisor to LS therefore all she should do is advise LS of her observation's of the task not butt in with her personal grievances
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Old 12-11-2015, 02:46
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I don't like how she butts in on the tasks or in the boardroom - she is only there as an advisor to LS therefore all she should do is advise LS of her observation's of the task not butt in with her personal grievances
That annoys me, she never says anything nice either, always really patronising.

I thought I'd hate Claude because of how he has been in the interviews, but he is so much better than her.

She seems to turn her nose up at everything, say exactly the same thing during every task and just doesn't seem very interested in what is going on.
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:36
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Her facial expressions are priceless though. Good for TV (Remember her comment on Susan Ma thinking the French hate their children)

She really doesn't approve of many things in life does she?
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:47
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I know he cocked up with the measurements but as he said, he corrected it and they moved on.
No he didn't. It was Joseph who checked and corrected David's mistake. As Karren rightly said, David would otherwise have cut all of the subsequent rods to the wrong length, as instead of measuring each one anew, he was using the first rod as his benchmark.
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:17
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Her facial expressions are priceless though.
The ones where she looks like she's suffering a stroke?
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:21
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David should have been able to take a measurement down properly. Had Joseph not saved him and the others not been absolutely terrible then he was in the firing line
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:33
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No he didn't. It was Joseph who checked and corrected David's mistake. As Karren rightly said, David would otherwise have cut all of the subsequent rods to the wrong length, as instead of measuring each one anew, he was using the first rod as his benchmark.
As the sub leader and the "expert" it was Joseph's job to make sure that David did the job right. Joseph made sure David got it right after making making a mistake and David followed his orders to ensure there were no further mistakes. These things will happen especially when you have a novice but they dealt with it well
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Old 12-11-2015, 08:37
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No he didn't. It was Joseph who checked and corrected David's mistake. As Karren rightly said, David would otherwise have cut all of the subsequent rods to the wrong length, as instead of measuring each one anew, he was using the first rod as his benchmark.
Only after David had measured the first pole, realised his mistake and asked Joseph to double check it. If Joseph had told him to carry on doing what he was doing then yes he would've made a bodge job of it, but that would be more down to Joseph, the closest there was to an expert in this field.

If he'd carried on happily sawing poles apart you'd have a point.
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Old 12-11-2015, 12:52
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Her facial expressions are priceless though.
You mean the ones she's shamelessly copied off Nick?
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Old 12-11-2015, 14:41
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Hated the way she did a little face at Mergim when he was explaining his tough upbringing. Had "i'm a priveleged person" look all over her face, have some respect woman.
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Old 12-11-2015, 15:09
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Its been the same all series

.Elle got blamed for doing what her PM told her to . If the dingy guide price had been high they could have lost by not buying, and they had no way of knowing the guide price or that buying a toy dingby wouldn't be a firing issue. Karen blamed Natalie for not knowing what percentage mark up was on offer.But no one on her team had even thought of percentages, and Brett would have set different prices if he had - to avoid silly percentages emerging.

David got blamed for sawing a pipe to the wring length - something totally irreleant to any business proposal - unless he too wanted to be a plumber.

What we have a silly or insubstantial reason for firing people invented mid edit, and usually mouthed by Karen. Its either she's scripted to point out the dodgy reasons, or she's just got no real idea whats happening.

There's also the unexplained nonsenses. Does a bloke try and screw in a nail because he's a fool, or Mr Bean's cousin, or because Lord Sugar's ghostbusters scale , supposedly fully equipped, truck, has no screws or plugs on board? Could they go and get some screws? is it a fool and a nail, or that for want of a screw, the fool is inevitable?
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Old 12-11-2015, 15:36
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Claude has softened since becoming a regular. Karen has seen that Claude had built up a reputation and got noticed by being very strict on the candidates in the interviews. Karen, as ever, has stolen what worked for someone else, and just copied his playbook. She brings nothing herself to the table, all she does is copy what's worked for others, First it was Nick with the squinting and wincing in the corner, now it's Claude with the put downs and nasty comments.

She's dead weight and is dragging the show down. I bet the producers can see it and are desperate to get rid of her, but Sugar will have none of it because he's blinded by his friendship with her.
If she's trying to copy Claude then she best stop for her own sake, Claude had that aura where you'd notice his presence and it could go off anytime. Karen has none of that and is just trying too hard adopting someone else's personality, no originality at all
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Old 12-11-2015, 18:40
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Bottom line, Karen is polluting the show with bad vibes and negative energy. It must be impossible to work with her wincing in the corner, knowing that all she's writing in her notebook are sufficiently nasty put downs to use in the boardroom later. I'd rather have Claude breathing down my neck any day.
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Old 12-11-2015, 20:33
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Only after David had measured the first pole, realised his mistake and asked Joseph to double check it. If Joseph had told him to carry on doing what he was doing then yes he would've made a bodge job of it, but that would be more down to Joseph, the closest there was to an expert in this field.

If he'd carried on happily sawing poles apart you'd have a point.
As I saw it, David mismeasured (or mis-cut) the first pole and then used that pole to measure the next few, so that he did indeed cut several poles to the wrong length.

And it was Joseph who queried and re-measured the pole which confirmed it was the wrong length. (What made Joseph doubt the length is not clear: perhaps he'd tried to use one or two and found they did not fit; maybe it is just professional caution, like measure twice, cut once.)
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Old 12-11-2015, 20:40
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Its been the same all series

.Elle got blamed for doing what her PM told her to . If the dingy guide price had been high they could have lost by not buying, and they had no way of knowing the guide price or that buying a toy dingby wouldn't be a firing issue. Karen blamed Natalie for not knowing what percentage mark up was on offer.But no one on her team had even thought of percentages, and Brett would have set different prices if he had - to avoid silly percentages emerging.

David got blamed for sawing a pipe to the wring length - something totally irreleant to any business proposal - unless he too wanted to be a plumber.
David's pipe almost certainly won't feature in his business plan, you are right. But it might be taken to indicate a lack of attention to detail, which might be more important. If Lord Sugar were still in the satellite box business, ordering the wrong-sized components would be very expensive not just in cash terms but also by holding up production which in turn might mean reputational damage or even lost contracts as buyers go elsewhere. Even within the confines of this task, those too-short rods were useless; just scrap metal.

But David was not fired; nor was Elle for the dingy, so Lord Sugar clearly does weigh context and proportion.
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Old 12-11-2015, 20:47
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Hated the way she did a little face at Mergim when he was explaining his tough upbringing. Had "i'm a priveleged person" look all over her face, have some respect woman.
Or maybe she wasn't buying the sob story.
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