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Old 12-11-2015, 15:56
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Megrim and April weren't the reason the team failed the task. It all falls on Elles shoulders

Their half of the team looked like it did a better job of finding jobs, the other lot looked like they only had the one low value contract. April was accused of "standing back" but how much did Richard & David contribute? Th physical labour was bare minimum and expected so that doesn't count.

The worst part is that Megrim wasn't the PM so he had little knowledge of what the other half of the team had been up to so couldn't argue much in the boardroom
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Old 12-11-2015, 16:06
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Megrim and April weren't the reason the team failed the task. It all falls on Elles shoulders

Their half of the team looked like it did a better job of finding jobs, the other lot looked like they only had the one low value contract. April was accused of "standing back" but how much did Richard & David contribute? Th physical labour was bare minimum and expected so that doesn't count.

The worst part is that Megrim wasn't the PM so he had little knowledge of what the other half of the team had been up to so couldn't argue much in the boardroom
April was on borrowed time from week one when she was very lucky to stay. she did very little to justify LS keeping her in the process since, so she was always going to go the next time she made the BR. I'd imagine it's the same case with Sam now

Mergim has been a walking firing since day one
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Old 12-11-2015, 16:10
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Shuggs has too many candidates for the number of weeks left, so he was always going to have to do a multi firing at some point. Obviously Mergim and April haven't impressed him up to now. He's checked their business plans and found they don't have a bendy nail file product - so its time to go.
I might've kept April in over David or maybe got rid of all four tbh
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Old 12-11-2015, 17:34
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Their half of the team looked like it did a better job of finding jobs, the other lot looked like they only had the one low value contract.
Of the £650-odd that they made before expenses, £350 of it came from the job at the theatre, and then another £100 was from that job that both halves of the team did at the end of the day. The sub-team were getting a lot of jobs, sure, but they were charging hardly anything for them, and then having to cut prices further because they were botching them. So if anything, both halves of the team seemed to be equally at fault.
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Old 12-11-2015, 19:24
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I think Sugar is well aware who he is not up to his 'standards' and he just took the opportunity to get rid of some of the people he wasn't interested in. Nothing unfair about it at all. It's a game remember.
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Old 12-11-2015, 20:12
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After watching the 2010 series and seeing bumbling Tom emerge as the winner, it has proved since then that to last in The Apprentice, you just need an excellent business plan to pitch in your final week.

I don't believe for a second that in the early weeks Lord Sugar basis his opinions on who to fire based on that weeks task. He already knows what their business plans are, and already knows which ones he would be happy to take on as part of his Amstrad company.

That's why you get contestants on the losing team several times, scraping through by the skin of their teeth and somehow end up in the final. Tom winning back in 2010 was the biggest piss take, and all the people I know who used to love watching The Apprentice have all become bored of the show since that year.
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Old 12-11-2015, 22:19
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Tom was the least deserving winner ever.
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Old 12-11-2015, 23:39
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After watching the 2010 series and seeing bumbling Tom emerge as the winner, it has proved since then that to last in The Apprentice, you just need an excellent business plan to pitch in your final week.

I don't believe for a second that in the early weeks Lord Sugar basis his opinions on who to fire based on that weeks task. He already knows what their business plans are, and already knows which ones he would be happy to take on as part of his Amstrad company.

That's why you get contestants on the losing team several times, scraping through by the skin of their teeth and somehow end up in the final. Tom winning back in 2010 was the biggest piss take, and all the people I know who used to love watching The Apprentice have all become bored of the show since that year.
You say that but every year there's a candidate whose business idea, regardless of details, he considers a waste of time or grubby, like the woman in the first year of this format.

I'm not sure how it's organised; perhaps Lord Sugar has the briefest sketch of the business idea. He doesn't show much knowledge.
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Old 13-11-2015, 10:32
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April was on borrowed time from week one when she was very lucky to stay. she did very little to justify LS keeping her in the process since, so she was always going to go the next time she made the BR. I'd imagine it's the same case with Sam now

Mergim has been a walking firing since day one
I'd add Selina to that list too – he, Karren and Claude don't seem to like her at all, so I think she's toast next time someone brings her in to the boardroom.
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Old 13-11-2015, 14:32
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Elle had to go, it was the easiest firing Sid's made.

Mergin also, his team got some jobs but they managed to mess everyone up. In the real world he'd have got money for those.

April was responsible for selling them off at £3.33 per hour, that's not a practice that will make you money, as they all said no business acumen.
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Old 13-11-2015, 15:16
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After watching the 2010 series and seeing bumbling Tom emerge as the winner, it has proved since then that to last in The Apprentice, you just need an excellent business plan to pitch in your final week.

I don't believe for a second that in the early weeks Lord Sugar basis his opinions on who to fire based on that weeks task. He already knows what their business plans are, and already knows which ones he would be happy to take on as part of his Amstrad company.

That's why you get contestants on the losing team several times, scraping through by the skin of their teeth and somehow end up in the final. Tom winning back in 2010 was the biggest piss take, and all the people I know who used to love watching The Apprentice have all become bored of the show since that year.
It was 2011. Tom showed good business sense throughout the series. He often identified what was going wrong in a task but was usually ignored. In the losing side for the first five weeks but never brought back to the boardroom, so Sugar couldn't fire him even if he'd wanted to.

It doesn't matter how good a business idea they have, if they aren't good enough to see it through it will fail. It's in Sugar's interest to pick a good candidate as well as a good plan.
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Old 13-11-2015, 15:45
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Elle had to go, it was the easiest firing Sid's made.

Mergin also, his team got some jobs but they managed to mess everyone up. In the real world he'd have got money for those.

April was responsible for selling them off at £3.33 per hour, that's not a practice that will make you money, as they all said no business acumen.
April's £10 per hour for three people was silly in reality, but labour costs are never counted in this show so it was still £10 an hour profit. They only had to think about materials costs so that will affect how they price things.

I think April should have been kept on. She clearly has good presentational skills and is decisive. Better to be decisive and sometimes wrong than to be indecisive and never right. Unfortunately for her, Lord Sugar needed to get rid of a few this week. Not really fair, as the OP suggests, but only one of them can win. For most it's just a question of which week you get fired.
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Old 13-11-2015, 16:56
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I just can't wrap my head around April getting fired next to David who was being utterly useless. I don't understand how you can do a triple firing, with the most obvious deadwood managing to get away.
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Old 14-11-2015, 09:30
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I just can't wrap my head around April getting fired next to David who was being utterly useless. I don't understand how you can do a triple firing, with the most obvious deadwood managing to get away.
David might have been useless in this task, but he's been impressive in other tasks, so that's probably what saved him. April meanwhile had nothing impressive to fall back on, so it wasn't a surprise to me that she got fired and he didn't.
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Old 14-11-2015, 11:47
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You say that but every year there's a candidate whose business idea, regardless of details, he considers a waste of time or grubby, like the woman in the first year of this format.

I'm not sure how it's organised; perhaps Lord Sugar has the briefest sketch of the business idea. He doesn't show much knowledge.
I'd bet that he knows a lot more than the briefest sketch of an idea.
He'd be investing a lot of money into a project. He isn't going to take risks over that.

What would happen if he fired people based on how well they'd done in the weeks' tasks and ended up with two competent candidates in the final who were excellent in tasks but who both had awful business proposals?
Would he really take them on and risk it all simply because of some silly light entertainment TV show?
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Old 14-11-2015, 12:12
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I'd bet that he knows a lot more than the briefest sketch of an idea.
He'd be investing a lot of money into a project. He isn't going to take risks over that.

What would happen if he fired people based on how well they'd done in the weeks' tasks and ended up with two competent candidates in the final who were excellent in tasks but who both had awful business proposals?
Would he really take them on and risk it all simply because of some silly light entertainment TV show?
Indeed.

The reality is almost certainly just a case of the tasks being used to generate reasons to get rid of all the "dead wood" as and when the opportunity arises.

I'm not even sure if this is likely to impact on the integrity of the show.
After all, out of 16 business proposals I'm sure AS can find half a dozen that he thinks are viable (which will probably already have been arranged at the pre-selection phase of the show anyway) and he only needs for one or two of those candidates to avoid acting like total pillocks and getting themselves fired.

And then there's the interview phase as well, which can legitimately be used to get rid of anybody with a weak business proposal even if they've been a strong candidate in every task.
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Old 14-11-2015, 14:45
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I hope that if there is a next series, they do the handyman task where I live. I've got more than enough jobs I could give them.
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Old 14-11-2015, 20:48
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Megrim and April weren't the reason the team failed the task. It all falls on Elles shoulders

Their half of the team looked like it did a better job of finding jobs, the other lot looked like they only had the one low value contract. April was accused of "standing back" but how much did Richard & David contribute? Th physical labour was bare minimum and expected so that doesn't count.

The worst part is that Megrim wasn't the PM so he had little knowledge of what the other half of the team had been up to so couldn't argue much in the boardroom
Megrim has little knowledge of anything - a total bullshitter and time he went.

But David should have gone instead of April as far has I am concerned.
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Old 14-11-2015, 21:00
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I hope that if there is a next series, they do the handyman task where I live. I've got more than enough jobs I could give them.
What even if they are like this lot ?

You must be easily pleased !
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Old 14-11-2015, 21:02
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David might have been useless in this task, but he's been impressive in other tasks, so that's probably what saved him. April meanwhile had nothing impressive to fall back on, so it wasn't a surprise to me that she got fired and he didn't.
Such as ?
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Old 14-11-2015, 22:16
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Task 1 (Fish): On the winning team; seemed to be one of the bigger sellers.

Task 2 (Cactus Shampoo): Came up with the product name and directed the ad to help the boys to a win with what Lord Sugar said was the best marketed item on the show so far in any series.

Task 3 (Cross Channel Shopping): Got the Louis Phillippe mirror for 30 Euros. The girls team couldn't even find one. On the winning team again.

Task 4 (Pet Show): Project managed his team to a win (and his enthusiasm helped them win the best lower cost items, particularly the balloons, which the other team also wanted but lost out on).

Task 5: Was apparently more trusted as sub-team leader by Charleine than the person she actually named sub-team leader (Richard). On the winning team.

Task 6: First time on the losing team.

I think the previous weeks outweigh his bad performance in Task 6. I stand by my comment that April by comparison had done very little over the weeks to justify her staying.
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Old 15-11-2015, 13:25
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Although I've never know M'lud fire more than two people in an episode, it has to be said that the three who went this time all had it coming - they were completely useless!

I was in business for over 35 years and I've always enjoyed watching the Apprentice contestants making their way through the series. It amuses me how many of them think they're God's gift to business and Lord Sugar will be glad to have them, etc. ... !

Yeah, right!
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Old 15-11-2015, 18:14
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It is AMS money, he is going to invest in one of the contestants .

It wouldn't surprise me if he already has a short list of who to invest in and who to ditch as soon as possible.
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Old 15-11-2015, 20:43
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Task 1 (Fish): On the winning team; seemed to be one of the bigger sellers.

Task 2 (Cactus Shampoo): Came up with the product name and directed the ad to help the boys to a win with what Lord Sugar said was the best marketed item on the show so far in any series.

Task 3 (Cross Channel Shopping): Got the Louis Phillippe mirror for 30 Euros. The girls team couldn't even find one. On the winning team again.

Task 4 (Pet Show): Project managed his team to a win (and his enthusiasm helped them win the best lower cost items, particularly the balloons, which the other team also wanted but lost out on).

Task 5: Was apparently more trusted as sub-team leader by Charleine than the person she actually named sub-team leader (Richard). On the winning team.

Task 6: First time on the losing team.

I think the previous weeks outweigh his bad performance in Task 6. I stand by my comment that April by comparison had done very little over the weeks to justify her staying.
I could take issue with a number of the points you have made but notwithstanding that you feel that he is entitled one poor performance.

If so you would have been annoyed when Ruth was fired

Were you ?
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Old 15-11-2015, 22:02
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I could take issue with a number of the points you have made but notwithstanding that you feel that he is entitled one poor performance.

If so you would have been annoyed when Ruth was fired

Were you ?
Not especially - Ruth claimed to be a great salesperson and was a sales trainer, and on the task she got fired on, she didn't make a single sale. So she failed on the very thing she said she was good at.

David by comparison never claimed to be good at being a handyman, but unless his business plan or even the other tasks involve being a handyman, I don't see his bad performance in this one task being very relevant, so yes, I think he can be allowed this one bad performance.

Unlike Elle, Mergim or April, he's project managed a winning team, which I think means he's shown more promise, and deserves a second chance.
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