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Faster Data
Lower latency More efficient for the operator (ok, that one is for me) ![]() More reliable Hard cell edge, no breathing Better signal propagation at any frequency Can aggregate carriers Much better voice experience Better voice codec options Lower dropped calls because of better LTE management features. Wifi Calling (needs IMS which needs a 4G service provision in the HSS) You are missing a whole layer of a mobile network that some operators cover 90+% population and others will catch up. Kinda like driving on the motorway but never going in the 3rd/4th/5th lane. Better roaming standards That's my starter for 10, need more reasons?
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Based on what Jon (of Jon Morris fame ) has said, it appears that EE will be allowing Data devices to access 800 (re: The Cumbria project).
I have a sneaking suspicion that EE are aware of the Three F**k up and will probably release 800 to most 800/VoLTE devices (and data only devices) right away. This is what I would do in this situation. Just saying.... ![]() I have got my MBB SIM in a Cat 6 Mi-Fi but can't really see how I could tell if I was in 800, 1800 or 2600. |
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This is how Chinese whispers start! I heard from another user on here who has been able to use 800MHz on EE with a mobile broadband tariff, so I am taking that as truthful (no reason to disbelieve it) but I've neither been told officially or used it myself.
I have got my MBB SIM in a Cat 6 Mi-Fi but can't really see how I could tell if I was in 800, 1800 or 2600. ![]() The time it is taking EE to get 800 out you would think they are really wanting it to just work. Bit like with WC earlier this year. I mean anyone with common sense would release it with access for all data only devices wouldn't they? No reason not to. Also it would be released with a priority above 2100 so that those of us with compatible devices will suddenly see full 4G coverage everywhere in an 800 area. I believe this is why they are waiting as long as possible. Ok, they are having issues as well but also they need a good base 1800 service underneath so 800 isn't too swamped. 1800 power still rising gradually. The main Marldon site on the TV mast has come up in power considerably in the last few days. As I have said before the 1800 power is normally a 20 -21 point difference than 3G on newly activated masts. No different for Marldon. Now the point difference is around 11. If the dBm for 3G was -98 then the 4G would typically be -118 to - 119. Now you are looking at -109ish. This is actually obvious from the signal bars while driving around. Let's get that 800 on already!!! |
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I know I dip in and out of this forum as time allows so I sometimes miss large chunks of threads but what is the basis for assuming there is going to be some mass EE 800 go live coming shortly? VoLTE yes, but why 800 too?
I've posted about the extent of 800 in London (mostly the City) but surely if there is going to be a large amount of 800 coverage elsewhere we would see it in a lot more places now. Not saying it's wrong but what is it based on? I get there will be some new areas that will benefit from it but any large overlay would be inconsistent with what EE's senior people have always said. |
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I mean anyone with common sense would release it with access for all data only devices wouldn't they?
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4g uses cofdm, instead of agile frequency hopping with qam. So you approach the shannon limit. basically, it means the providor makes bigger profits for less capital investment. A banker's wet dream .......
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EE's 800 coverage is quite extensive and just waiting to be switched on. It's more than just a few sites in London and Hertfordshire!
I expect when it is added to the maps it's going to be comparable to Three. Problem is there's no idea of when that will be happening. |
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I know I dip in and out of this forum as time allows so I sometimes miss large chunks of threads but what is the basis for assuming there is going to be some mass EE 800 go live coming shortly? VoLTE yes, but why 800 too?
I've posted about the extent of 800 in London (mostly the City) but surely if there is going to be a large amount of 800 coverage elsewhere we would see it in a lot more places now. Not saying it's wrong but what is it based on? I get there will be some new areas that will benefit from it but any large overlay would be inconsistent with what EE's senior people have always said. Even if 4G1800 was on full power (which isn't happening any time soon) it wouldn't get near. The only way they are going to do it is to get 800 on most rural masts and a lot of urban ones too. The new 4G (very rural) mast down here has tri-band antennas (with low frequency inputs) and I suspect most of the others do too (I shall be taking a look soon). If it was put on just the 5 masts surrounding me, the coverage would be near blanket and this is a very hilly area. EDIT: What EE have said is that they are going for 90% geographic by 2017 and there has even been recent murmurings of 100% population which is probably impossible but I like the idea! Without extensive 800 coverage in the next two years there is no way they would get even near to that. I can't see how they aren't going to roll it out big time, can you? |
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4g uses cofdm, instead of agile frequency hopping with qam. So you approach the shannon limit. basically, it means the providor makes bigger profits for less capital investment. A banker's wet dream .......
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EE's 800 coverage is quite extensive and just waiting to be switched on. It's more than just a few sites in London and Hertfordshire!
I expect when it is added to the maps it's going to be comparable to Three. Problem is there's no idea of when that will be happening. If I'm understanding you correctly, what you seem to be saying is that it's already been installed nationwide but hasn't been switched on even for testing? Unless EE have changed their position, what they've consistently said is that 800 will be used to extend coverage in rural areas and it will be also be used in selected urban areas where they want to improve indoor coverage. That's very different to Three's use of 800. |
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I am not again they're gone to use 800 as extensively as Three because, yes, it is intended more for rural areas. What I mean is the difference to the coverage map will be huge because the gaps are filled in and 4G will extend a lot more.
It's the overall picture of 4G, using 800, 1800 and 2600 that will make such a difference. Three still has to keep adding 1800 and can't just think that its own 800 rollout has solved everything. It gives voice and data to a lot more people, including indoors, but doesn't give such high speed and presumably there will be capacity issues too - at least once they put 4G 800 as a higher priority than now. |
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