I'm not sure how large Peters is either.

This.

As i just mentioned in another thread, when a female dancer is up against an attractive/eye-candy male dancer, she doesn't just have to be better than him to win - she has to be significantly better. Cos whilst both Jay and Georgia will get their fair share of not-much-to-do-with-the-actual-dancing votes, Jay's always gonna get a bigger boost there, simply thanks to his boy-band roots and strictly's probable voting demographics.

In terms of his dance performance Jay's star is on the wane atm - he might struggle to make the final. It wouldn't surprise me if Peter Andre were more popular in the country as a whole but if he isn't doing the tour he could end up doing a Pixie

I tend to agree with all of the above however imo she will pick up a lot of floating voters.

I agree that Jay will win because hes the most popular, but I think its less to do with him being attractive. Personally, I don't find him attractive at all, but while I know many do, from what I'm hearing from people at work its more a mothering vibe I'm getting from them than a 'God hes gorgeous'.

The comments are all 'bless hes so nervous, I really felt for him' and 'hes so humble and doesn't rate himself' and 'I'm so worried for him tonight in case he doesn't do well'. A few have said hes attractive, but not the main reason (from the people I've spoke to at least)

Neither Jay or Georgia gave a clean performance last night, both made two mistakes, Jay tripped over his feet and then got elbowed in the face when Aliona did her last spin of the dance so they missed a hand hold which Craig pointed out, Georgia messed up when she was side to side with Giovanni because as she brought her hands down they went to the wrong side which threw her for a couple of seconds (all the judges missed this or didn't see it as it was so quick and maybe were making notes at the time) and as Darcy said her last spin ended up a couple of feet behind Giovanni although that was less noticeable to me as it could have been intentional. The difference between the two for me is Georgia exudes joy when she dances, she lives and feels the music whereas Jay apart from his Jive has failed to express similar emotions whether he feels it or not, it's not his movement because his feet and arms are great, some of the best in a male dancer I've seen it's his body/face, the expression within those is often missing for me so it can come across bland and unemotional. Georgia needs to get through a routine without making any mistakes at all if she wants a chance of winning and Jay needs to forget about technique and connect with the music/heart of a dance more because if he doesn't show that he's feeling it those watching aren't going to feel it either.

If Georgia needs to get through a routine without a mistake to win then how did she end up with three 10's and a 9 last night where Jay got a 6 and three 8's? I agree with most of what you wrote above though. I think unless Jay picks his game up Georgia could run away with this competition, the old dark horse as they like to call them.

I am concerned about the coming shock dance off. There's bound to be one. I mean what if Jay and Georgia end up there? Or Georgia and Kellie, or Anita and either Jay or Georgia? That is going to mean we lose one talented dancer and keep a mediocre one, like Jamelia or Jeremy, which I always hate to see.

I think Jay might do better with his upcoming dances, especially for expression. I mean if you watch his Jive again there are points you actually see him smiling because he is having fun out there and that worked for that dance. I think he just has trouble emoting for ballroom dances which is a shame. He obviously feels it inside, he just doesn't know how to let it show on his face.

Jays had all slow dances since the Jive. Hopefully he's got some up beat ones to dance next, which allow for expression. His dancing is sublime, but I don't understand how Georgia can be awarded a perfect score if the judges pointed out mistakes.

that's exactly how I feel, I think Giovanni is a superb choreographer and a great addition to the show, if Jay and Georgia are both in the final I shall be a nervous wreck


yes, I agree, I said yesterday that Jay should have been in tails then he would have looked the part, as Peter did, a much better outfit than waistcoat and trousers, imo

Exactly....Georgia had quite a few mistakes but got 10s ...Jay made mistakes and got 8s and 6...the judging has to fair.

Because the judges voting for me has been bizarre all series, nothing new really. I think Georgia deserved 9's last night if you're comparing her scores with other couples. Craig's 6 for Jay's dance was ridiculous, they made two small mistakes but Craig votes on performance and I think after Jay's jive he's been expecting a lot more from him and is showing his disappointment in the marks he's been giving, unfair but that's Craig for you and not just Craig, if a judge gets a bee in his/her bonnet about something one of the celebs is doing that they point out and isn't corrected they start to look for and point it out in each dance they do. I think 8's were fair for Jay as their routine didn't move me either and that's also part of it. GG made mistakes but their dance had more wow factor, more punch.

I don't really think she's going to win and it pains me to say so. For the Georgia's supporters (me included) we'll have to make do with a second place. Jay's winning this, deserved or not.

BIB I don't think Jamelia and especially Jeremy are in for much longer. Comedy contestants are usually voted off around two thirds in the competition and when Jamelia has her next DO (unless it's against Jeremy) she's going to be voted off. In the very unlikely event Jay's in the DO, I can't see the judges not saving him.


Yeah, because the Quickstep is really slow...

Georgia has had a run of great party dances.

It will be interesting to see how she does with a run of much slower dances she has left. (FT, AT, etc) where smiles and performance don't play a large part and it's all about technique.

We haven't seen Jay do a party dance since week 1.

Since his QS all his dances have required a more intense character.

The only cheeky character he had his face was completely obscured with make up so you couldn't see what his face was doing to even judge how he sold the performance.

The QS started out smiley and went haywire for obvious reasons.

Conversely to Georgia, Jay still has all the big party numbers left that are the big crowd pleasers. (Samba, Salsa, Charleston) so I think we need to see his next few dances where he actually is required to smile and sell to the audience before we can judge how well he sells a performance in comparison to Georgia.

I think Jay will win as Darcy has decided he is her new favourite-
Georgie could take this way from Helen & Peter

lol, terry on good form - perhaps you could open a thread, or a poll?

His QS I was looking forward to as it should have been another show stopper but it never really took off. Also he's had the Paso and the AT two dances that can be Wow dances if the emotion and intensity comes through fully but that's what was missing and what he needs to work on. The Samba and Salsa should be better dances for him as fun/light/smiley might come easier to him than moody/intense. It will be interesting to see what GG do with the Paso and AT by comparison will she be too young for the AT too soft for the Paso or can she pull them both off. I'm really looking forward to the next few weeks as they're both my top two couples in the show, I love Aljaz and Janette but unfortunately can't warm to Helen and Peter is more likeable for me but there's just something a bit needy which puts me off.

i'm predicting that party latin could be a disaster zone for jay... i can't quite picture the roly poly hip action along with the rabbit-in-the-pot thousand yard stare and the due diligence handling of aliona like a DHL special delivery...

LOL. You acerbic b*gger, you!

Suits me...like 'em both...Georgia perhaps a little more.

Has to be Jay for the win, I think. He's not overmarked so he isn't taxing our patience. He'll get underdog votes. Plus he's a cutie. The 'awww' factor.

If there's any whiff of overmarking (maybe Georgia?) then that usually puts the public off.

I like both. My problem is with Aliona. Her choreography has been OK but I do dislike her intensely. Whereas Joe Varney is a dead ringer for one of my favourite ever pupils.

It'll be Jay.

lol, harsh!

I like them both but Georgia is showing more promise for me anyway. However, either way I'd be happy for any of my favourites, Georgia, Jay and Anita to win. The others don't do it for me.

bib - that would explain why I keep thinking he has a rather feminine looking posterior

his attempts to smile during last nite''s ft made him look smug instead imo

can't wait to see his Charleston face ...

Lol, I like Jay but I fear this could be an accurate description of his party Latin to come🙈 . I hope you'll be proven wrong, though!

It's a pity Jay is not managing to conquer his nerves. I think it is still a big problem for him. Aliona said on ITT (this week? I think) that, since the quickstep disaster, they have been focussing to get solid performances with solid marks in to calm everything down. She's so great in figuring out what her partner needs and then doing it, no matter how much the world and the judges scream "gimme! Gimme! Gimme!!!" at her. So no wonder he appears to stagnate a bit, since she stopped pushing him to dance on the edge. I hope she will rev it up a bit again soon, though.

At this point of the competition I agree, Georgia is delivering better performances and would be the rightful winner. However, there's still some weeks to go, so isn't it a bit early to judge the potential outcome on this stage of the competition?
They are all (including Jay!) still learning, developing and improving. People are peaking and dipping at different times throughout the show.

Looking forward to some more great dancing, and may the best person win in the end.

I think it's more likely to be Georgia. She has oodles of confidence and as an actor is able to perform every time. I'd say Kellie is probably on the same level but she doesn't have the same appeal...her age, her partner and her outfits all work against her.

Of course it's possible that Jay may overcome his crippling shyness, but that's a big ask, especially with Craig chipping away at him like he did this week.