Isn't that how it's always been? I still remember all the backlash the show had nine or ten years ago, you wouldn't have thought the show was becoming as successful as it did. If social media was around in the early 70's, I'm sure there'd have been complaints along the lines of:

"It's Doctor Who, not Brigadier Who!"
"Bring back Patrick Troughton! This new Doctor is boring"
"Barry Letts is ruining this show! Holmes for producer!"
"Another story where the Doctor foils the Master's plans? How original"
"The writers are too obsessed with UNIT"
"Way to throw continuity out of the window"
"Who is this Jo Grant and why has she replaced Liz? She needs to step down immediately!"

That is *so* true. Social media (and I include forums in that) is great in so many ways, but you have to take it with a pinch of salt. For instance, if you had believed Twitter earlier this year, then Labour would have won the general election by a landslide.

The assumption that social media is representative of wider society is a dangerous one - it's often right, but very often it's also skewed, at which point conspiracy theorists shout "foul!"

My rule of thumb is that social media and forums tend to attract polarised views. I bet if you showed the average viewer (from the 5-6 million who watch every week, rather than the few dozen/hundred on here) some of the stuff we agonise over on here, that they would think we were mad. The average viewer does not dissect plot holes or worry about altering continuity or any of that stuff. They just want to be entertained, and even though the ratings are slightly down it's clear that millions of people still enjoy the show every week and it remains one of the Beeb's global crown jewels, alongisde Strictly and Top Gear.

Anyhow, back on topic. I think Face the Raven is very good - that's my honest opinion - although there are areas I think are weak, as I've outlined in my review for post-transmission. The one thing I can be sure of is that some people will hate the episode and others will love it. Twas ever thus.

But then two thirds - you know, the majority - thought the show was therefore fair to good...

So what is your point? It would be much more likely that someone reviewing the show would think like the majority, surely?

Or are you suggesting that only those who thought it was bad or very bad are right?

Is facebook actually trying to make me cry?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RbfenyIEG8

Oh good Lord. Why would you do that to me? Why?!

Wow just Wow I guessed she could be leaving but this does bring it home.
Goodbyes it Doctor Who can always be hard this Im sure wont be any different!

'Goodbye Raggedy man' with Amy was the last one with a companion, unless you count River, but she is coming back at Christmas so its not quite the same!

I hope it does make me cry....I love these big emotional moments.

I know! Its a lovely trailer though.

Oh and its fan made I must add and not a BBC trailer.

Just shake it off.

Haven't read any spoilers for this episode, but notice the Doctor is back in the white shirt for the first time this series. Could this mean that in his time line this episode comes first after the events of series 8?
Therefore fits in with the theory that Clara has already died and he went back in time after her death to try and avoid it / spend more time with her?

Ah well that explains the use of 'I am the Doctor' theme in it, its still a brilliant theme but very Matt's Doctor's era and wouldnt be right now.
Day of the Doctor springs to mind with that theme and other great Matt Smith episodes.

Bugger this, I might skip this week's episode and pretend that Clara just went on a holiday for the rest of the series. And if they ever reference her death I'll just call it a continuity error.

That sounds very Moffat if true! confusing, but in a good way something to think about and get your head around.

What!!! Why???? Its going to be an integral part of the story if/when she dies why avoid it like that??? I liked Amy and it was sad seeing her go but it had to happen just like it does for any companion.

Another thing they might have said at the end of The Deadly Assassin is, "get rid of this inferior looking thing they're calling the Master! We need him back properly, being played by someone who looks vaguely human! Whoever put the Master in that form must be shot!"



If the Internet was around in the early 80s, with computers as they are now, there would have been a lot of posts about John Nathan-Turner as well. They would have said things like, "Who thought it was a good idea to have JNT as Producer? He needs to go."

Real shame that the Internet WASN'T around in the 70s and 80s.

I did wonder about that shirt and the Series 8 look he has going in another thread but he also has a jacket he's never been seen wearing before so he may just have gone back to the white shirt to go with his new jacket.

but they didnt and now we look at the classics as classics and with nostalgia! In time I think new Who will too but give it time, say 10, 20+ years.

I regard the 2005 episode Rose as a classic. That was first broadcast over ten years ago now.

Think this could be very likely. if that's the case then wouldn't he also have his sonic screwdriver? I can't wait for this episode to see what happens!

"Bring back Delgado!"
"But Roger Delgado's dead..."
"Haha, look at this fanboy trying to defend the new Master"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsCBseWF378

I love the dark nature of the TARDIS its like all the lighting as been dropped greatly from most of the trailers

True thats kind of what I mean, so in 10 years time Capaldi will be looked at as classic too Tennant and Smith certainly will!
It could be said then that Eccelston and of course McGann are now classics then in their entirety!

I barely watched any of the series' with Amy in them (watched it previous to her, with Chris and DT) but that 'Goodbye raggedy man' got me a little teary.. so God knows how I'll be tomorrow. Put it this way, if it's as sad as Jenna's exit from Emmerdale was, then I'll be a wreck

The goodbyes are never easy but the Doctor and Clara have been through so much so I think this might be a very difficult one


It was brilliant. I actually thought it was BBC made.

Oh Wow!