I remember how bad Katy Perry was
Why do guests always sound awful?
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Originally Posted by bunnyinthebox:
“Have to disagree.
The sound engineer did not make her sing out of tune, they can only do the opposite, auto-tune a bad singer, or loads of reverb/effects to fill out the vocal sound.
The only thing a sound engineer can do to make it sound bad is to mess with the mix between vocal and backing track.”
“Have to disagree.
The sound engineer did not make her sing out of tune, they can only do the opposite, auto-tune a bad singer, or loads of reverb/effects to fill out the vocal sound.
The only thing a sound engineer can do to make it sound bad is to mess with the mix between vocal and backing track.”
What do you think the purpose of autotune is for? I think you contradict yourself in the first sentence.
Most of them cant sing without auto tune, probably why simon invites them on they make anyone who can sing look better.
Originally Posted by bananaa_bob:
“All down to the sound engineer as any artist will know, that's why you rarely see a support act blow the main act off stage,being involved in music i've seen it so many times and i imagine the same would apply to guests on X Factor.”
“All down to the sound engineer as any artist will know, that's why you rarely see a support act blow the main act off stage,being involved in music i've seen it so many times and i imagine the same would apply to guests on X Factor.”
haha, while it's true that you should never annoy your sound engineer, they can't make a singer sing out of tune. The can make them almost inaudible or hide the track in their monitors so that it's hard to hear, but that shouldn't make a decent singer sing out of tune.
We recently played a gig where the only sound we could hear was from a speaker facing the crowd about 100 yards away. We could hear almost nothing, yet our singer was still in tune, so it can be done.
It's just another case of looking right and being in the right place at the right time, rather than being good. Probably yet another Brit School waste of space
Originally Posted by callmediva:
“haha, while it's true that you should never annoy your sound engineer, they can't make a singer sing out of tune. The can make them almost inaudible or hide the track in their monitors so that it's hard to hear, but that shouldn't make a decent singer sing out of tune.
We recently played a gig where the only sound we could hear was from a speaker facing the crowd about 100 yards away. We could hear almost nothing, yet our singer was still in tune, so it can be done.
It's just another case of looking right and being in the right place at the right time, rather than being good. Probably yet another Brit School waste of space”
“haha, while it's true that you should never annoy your sound engineer, they can't make a singer sing out of tune. The can make them almost inaudible or hide the track in their monitors so that it's hard to hear, but that shouldn't make a decent singer sing out of tune.
We recently played a gig where the only sound we could hear was from a speaker facing the crowd about 100 yards away. We could hear almost nothing, yet our singer was still in tune, so it can be done.
It's just another case of looking right and being in the right place at the right time, rather than being good. Probably yet another Brit School waste of space”
I'm not talking about singing out of tune, that's like someone playing football who can't kick a ball,, they should'nt be there in the first place. Where were your monitors if you could'nt hear a thing? that must have been hell of a venue if you were picking up the sound from a speaker the length of a football pitch away! Where were you playing Wembley Stadium?
They haven't got many big acts for a while I remember when Rihanna performed on 2/3 times in one series.
One Direction sounded good.
One Direction sounded good.
Originally Posted by bananaa_bob:
“I'm not talking about singing out of tune, that's like someone playing football who can't kick a ball,, they should'nt be there in the first place. Where were your monitors if you could'nt hear a thing? that must have been hell of a venue if you were picking up the sound from a speaker the length of a football pitch away! Where were you playing Wembley Stadium?”
“I'm not talking about singing out of tune, that's like someone playing football who can't kick a ball,, they should'nt be there in the first place. Where were your monitors if you could'nt hear a thing? that must have been hell of a venue if you were picking up the sound from a speaker the length of a football pitch away! Where were you playing Wembley Stadium?
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Well Miss Glynn shouldn't have been singing then.
No, the gig was outdoors, there were no monitors. The whole thing was a shambles and badly organised due to mis-communication between the council and the PA company.
Often artists produce a version of their song live, not necessarily note-for-note what's on the record whereas X Factor is all about hitting the right notes as that's what they're judged on.
If you're paying £50 to see an established artist in concert you're not going to be disappointed if they change the pitch of a song to suit their live vocal range or to compensate for throat problems or just to mix it up a bit. Buy any 'live' album with a recording taken from a concert and every song they sing in concert will sound significantly different to how they sang it in the studio.
The X Factor style of performance where you just practice one song all week and concentrate on hitting all the right notes in all the right order during the performance of that one song, is quite an alien concept and something no real established artist ever does. it's why I think guest performers who might be more established artists are less bothered about perfectly replicating the sound of the single on stage and they do what 99% of singers do and that's perform a live version of their songs that may in contrast sound pitchy and occasionally out of sync with the record.
If you're paying £50 to see an established artist in concert you're not going to be disappointed if they change the pitch of a song to suit their live vocal range or to compensate for throat problems or just to mix it up a bit. Buy any 'live' album with a recording taken from a concert and every song they sing in concert will sound significantly different to how they sang it in the studio.
The X Factor style of performance where you just practice one song all week and concentrate on hitting all the right notes in all the right order during the performance of that one song, is quite an alien concept and something no real established artist ever does. it's why I think guest performers who might be more established artists are less bothered about perfectly replicating the sound of the single on stage and they do what 99% of singers do and that's perform a live version of their songs that may in contrast sound pitchy and occasionally out of sync with the record.
Originally Posted by Tony_Daniels:
“Often artists produce a version of their song live, not necessarily note-for-note what's on the record whereas X Factor is all about hitting the right notes as that's what they're judged on.
If you're paying £50 to see an established artist in concert you're not going to be disappointed if they change the pitch of a song to suit their live vocal range or to compensate for throat problems or just to mix it up a bit. Buy any 'live' album with a recording taken from a concert and every song they sing in concert will sound significantly different to how they sang it in the studio.
The X Factor style of performance where you just practice one song all week and concentrate on hitting all the right notes in all the right order during the performance of that one song, is quite an alien concept and something no real established artist ever does. it's why I think guest performers who might be more established artists are less bothered about perfectly replicating the sound of the single on stage and they do what 99% of singers do and that's perform a live version of their songs that may in contrast sound pitchy and occasionally out of sync with the record.”
“Often artists produce a version of their song live, not necessarily note-for-note what's on the record whereas X Factor is all about hitting the right notes as that's what they're judged on.
If you're paying £50 to see an established artist in concert you're not going to be disappointed if they change the pitch of a song to suit their live vocal range or to compensate for throat problems or just to mix it up a bit. Buy any 'live' album with a recording taken from a concert and every song they sing in concert will sound significantly different to how they sang it in the studio.
The X Factor style of performance where you just practice one song all week and concentrate on hitting all the right notes in all the right order during the performance of that one song, is quite an alien concept and something no real established artist ever does. it's why I think guest performers who might be more established artists are less bothered about perfectly replicating the sound of the single on stage and they do what 99% of singers do and that's perform a live version of their songs that may in contrast sound pitchy and occasionally out of sync with the record.”
I'm sorry, but non of that excuses singing a whole song out of tune.
I do agree that live performances will differ from recorded. Ours certainly do, some songs slower, some faster, lead breaks played in different places by different instruments, sometimes a verse left out, sometimes a verse added, it's all because songs continue to grow and change. One thing we wanted to do with our album was to record it so that we could play each song live just as it is on the album, and we can....but we don't. However much a song changes though, it's always sung in tune, and without autotune
There are far too many singers who really can't sing - there performances are recorded and manipulated - a version for the album which is perfect and a version for "live" performances which has a few little hiccups in it.
You'll always tell if a singer is really live, they'll either be out of tune - like most of the current crop of singers who rely on computers to sort out their problems, or each time you see them (and you'll see them a lot if they're promoting a new single) they'll perform it slightly differently
You'll always tell if a singer is really live, they'll either be out of tune - like most of the current crop of singers who rely on computers to sort out their problems, or each time you see them (and you'll see them a lot if they're promoting a new single) they'll perform it slightly differently
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