Just saw this earlier, he's behind Kylie, Little Mix, Elvis, ELO, Bieber and 1D
Ben Haenow number 7 in midweek album charts
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It won't be top ten by Friday. Shame but always a certain inevitably about his future after all the attention Fleurs got
I actually feel bad for him as he has clearly been screwed over as all the promo has been on Flur and Sax. He won it so it seems strange how much promo Flur has gotten instead.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“I actually feel bad for him as he has clearly been screwed over as all the promo has been on Flur and Sax. He won it so it seems strange how much promo Flur has gotten instead.”
“I actually feel bad for him as he has clearly been screwed over as all the promo has been on Flur and Sax. He won it so it seems strange how much promo Flur has gotten instead.”
Simon always preferred Fleur so its not surprise Ben has been left got to say I got his album on Saturday and I love it
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“I actually feel bad for him as he has clearly been screwed over as all the promo has been on Flur and Sax. He won it so it seems strange how much promo Flur has gotten instead.”
“I actually feel bad for him as he has clearly been screwed over as all the promo has been on Flur and Sax. He won it so it seems strange how much promo Flur has gotten instead.”
Ben had good promo with his single with kelly. He just is'nt as marketable as Fleur, and has proved more popular with the record buying public.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“I actually feel bad for him as he has clearly been screwed over as all the promo has been on Flur and Sax. He won it so it seems strange how much promo Flur has gotten instead.”
“I actually feel bad for him as he has clearly been screwed over as all the promo has been on Flur and Sax. He won it so it seems strange how much promo Flur has gotten instead.”
Not really.
Matt Cardle won but One Direction got all the promo.
Joe McElderry won but Olly Murs got all the promo.
James Arthur won but Ella Henderson got all the promo.
...and people wonder why X Factor has stagnated. When the winner of the series is also the one who has the biggest career, then - and only then - will people take X Factor seriously again.
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“Ben had good promo with his single with kelly. He just is'nt as marketable as Fleur, and has proved more popular with the record buying public.”
“Ben had good promo with his single with kelly. He just is'nt as marketable as Fleur, and has proved more popular with the record buying public.”
Ahhh you just can't help yourself, admit it Simon favoured Fleur last year and still is
At least listen to bens album as you have done nothing but slag him off
It's actually really good
Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“Ahhh you just can't help yourself, admit it Simon favoured Fleur last year and still is
At least listen to bens album as you have done nothing but slag him off
It's actually really good”
“Ahhh you just can't help yourself, admit it Simon favoured Fleur last year and still is
At least listen to bens album as you have done nothing but slag him off
It's actually really good”
Where was i slagging him off with those comments? I was just saying what has happened which is clear for everyone to see. SC realised that Fleur would sell more records than Ben, and you did'nt need to be rocket scientist to work that one out.
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“Where was i slagging him off with those comments? I was just saying what has happened which is clear for everyone to see. SC realised that Fleur would sell more records than Ben, and you did'nt need to be rocket scientist to work that one out.”
“Where was i slagging him off with those comments? I was just saying what has happened which is clear for everyone to see. SC realised that Fleur would sell more records than Ben, and you did'nt need to be rocket scientist to work that one out.”
Without all the hype Fleur would most likely have finished 5th or 6th, which is roughly where she was in the first few weeks of voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_..._(UK_series_11)
Therefore, she shouldn't really have been signed to Syco, given that the voters are supposedly making the decisions on who they want in the competition & who Syco are agreeing to sign.
Even with the beneficial treatment she received she still came second behind Ben and so in a fair result should have received less funding than him.
Spending the majority of the budget to promote Fleur only further devalues the process and makes a mockery of her as a real artist. This will be damaging to her in the medium to long term.
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“Where was i slagging him off with those comments? I was just saying what has happened which is clear for everyone to see. SC realised that Fleur would sell more records than Ben, and you did'nt need to be rocket scientist to work that one out.”
“Where was i slagging him off with those comments? I was just saying what has happened which is clear for everyone to see. SC realised that Fleur would sell more records than Ben, and you did'nt need to be rocket scientist to work that one out.”
Ok you've never said a bad word about Ben, yeah ok then. Honestly the denial is incredible!
Originally Posted by Thiswillbefun:
“Without all the hype Fleur would most likely have finished 5th or 6th, which is roughly where she was in the first few weeks of voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_..._(UK_series_11)
Therefore, she shouldn't really have been signed to Syco, given that the voters are supposedly making the decisions on who they want in the competition & who Syco are agreeing to sign.
Even with the beneficial treatment she received she still came second behind Ben and so in a fair result should have received less funding than him.
Spending the majority of the budget to promote Fleur only further devalues the process and makes a mockery of her as a real artist. This will be damaging to her in the medium to long term.”
“Without all the hype Fleur would most likely have finished 5th or 6th, which is roughly where she was in the first few weeks of voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_..._(UK_series_11)
Therefore, she shouldn't really have been signed to Syco, given that the voters are supposedly making the decisions on who they want in the competition & who Syco are agreeing to sign.
Even with the beneficial treatment she received she still came second behind Ben and so in a fair result should have received less funding than him.
Spending the majority of the budget to promote Fleur only further devalues the process and makes a mockery of her as a real artist. This will be damaging to her in the medium to long term.”
Exactly!
Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“Ok you've never said a bad word about Ben, yeah ok then. Honestly the denial is incredible!”
“Ok you've never said a bad word about Ben, yeah ok then. Honestly the denial is incredible!”
Of course i have made negative comments about Ben, ad i have of other contestants too. So does everyone else on here make negative comments about other contestants.
If all of those fans that voted for Ben last year had gone out and brought his music he might well be doing better, but they obviously have'nt.
The record buying public prefer Fleur, and that is all there is to it.
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“Of course i have made negative comments about Ben, ad i have of other contestants too. So does everyone else on here make negative comments about other contestants.
If all of those fans that voted for Ben last year had gone out and brought his music he might well be doing better, but they obviously have'nt.
The record buying public prefer Fleur, and that is all there is to it.”
“Of course i have made negative comments about Ben, ad i have of other contestants too. So does everyone else on here make negative comments about other contestants.
If all of those fans that voted for Ben last year had gone out and brought his music he might well be doing better, but they obviously have'nt.
The record buying public prefer Fleur, and that is all there is to it.”
It doesn't matter what I or anyone says you just will not take onboard anything other than to hear how amazing your Fleur is
I think in the long run Ben has a better future ahead of him, Fleur is just one of Cowell's puppets making him a few bucks before he tosses her out
Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“It doesn't matter what I or anyone says you just will not take onboard anything other than to hear how amazing your Fleur is
I think in the long run Ben has a better future ahead of him, Fleur is just one of Cowell's puppets making him a few bucks before he tosses her out”
“It doesn't matter what I or anyone says you just will not take onboard anything other than to hear how amazing your Fleur is
I think in the long run Ben has a better future ahead of him, Fleur is just one of Cowell's puppets making him a few bucks before he tosses her out”
Well i think that Fleur will last quite a bit longer than Ben tbh. I see that the album is currently at 24, which is not too bad i guess as he has a lot of competition.
I agree. I've heard Ben's album and it isn't amazing and i struggle to think what they'll pick as a second single - there a few OK songs on there like Lions. Fleur will be an international star. Her 'Sax' record has stuck at No.3 for a 2nd week. She's gonna have sold 100k copies of her single by the end of this week not bad at all. Once she performs in the USA Fleur-mania will begin over there.
Originally Posted by jerefprdterra:
“Well i think that Fleur will last quite a bit longer than Ben tbh. I see that the album is currently at 24, which is not too bad i guess as he has a lot of competition.”
“Well i think that Fleur will last quite a bit longer than Ben tbh. I see that the album is currently at 24, which is not too bad i guess as he has a lot of competition.”
Well Matt Cardle sold 70k first week and James Arthur sold a little less. Apparently even that was not good enough. To get renewed he''ll need to go platinum which i can't see happening if i am honest.
Originally Posted by Thiswillbefun:
“Without all the hype Fleur would most likely have finished 5th or 6th, which is roughly where she was in the first few weeks of voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_..._(UK_series_11)
Therefore, she shouldn't really have been signed to Syco, given that the voters are supposedly making the decisions on who they want in the competition & who Syco are agreeing to sign.
Even with the beneficial treatment she received she still came second behind Ben and so in a fair result should have received less funding than him.
Spending the majority of the budget to promote Fleur only further devalues the process and makes a mockery of her as a real artist. This will be damaging to her in the medium to long term.”
“Without all the hype Fleur would most likely have finished 5th or 6th, which is roughly where she was in the first few weeks of voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X_..._(UK_series_11)
Therefore, she shouldn't really have been signed to Syco, given that the voters are supposedly making the decisions on who they want in the competition & who Syco are agreeing to sign.
Even with the beneficial treatment she received she still came second behind Ben and so in a fair result should have received less funding than him.
Spending the majority of the budget to promote Fleur only further devalues the process and makes a mockery of her as a real artist. This will be damaging to her in the medium to long term.”
Are you saying Ella Henderson also should not have been signed?
I don't see how someone can say Ben will have longer lasting career than Fleur - not being funny but she's already surpassed him in single sales? I like Ben and I hope he does well - his album is going well at number 7 but I feel that if Simon dropped him he wouldn't be picked up by another label. I think he will have better success than the other male winners though.
My opinion is if Fleur got dropped she would be snapped up by anther label anyway, she has a lot to offer. Having said all of that Ben and Fleur are facing a lot of competition at the moment with one d Adele etc, they are highly unlikely to get to any top spots until some of the more established artists take a break! Doesn't mean they are failing but new artists take a while to break the industry!
Wel have to wait and see what happens but I feel Fleur is just beginning doubt Simon be getting rid of her Anytime soon he knows he could break her internationally.
My opinion is if Fleur got dropped she would be snapped up by anther label anyway, she has a lot to offer. Having said all of that Ben and Fleur are facing a lot of competition at the moment with one d Adele etc, they are highly unlikely to get to any top spots until some of the more established artists take a break! Doesn't mean they are failing but new artists take a while to break the industry!
Wel have to wait and see what happens but I feel Fleur is just beginning doubt Simon be getting rid of her Anytime soon he knows he could break her internationally.
Originally Posted by MysteriousOz:
“Ahhh you just can't help yourself, admit it Simon favoured Fleur last year and still is
At least listen to bens album as you have done nothing but slag him off
It's actually really good”
“Ahhh you just can't help yourself, admit it Simon favoured Fleur last year and still is
At least listen to bens album as you have done nothing but slag him off
It's actually really good”
They were two of my favourites last year. I think simon preferred fleur but she's also more marketable, I don't think they are mutually exclusive
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“I don't see how someone can say Ben will have longer lasting career than Fleur - not being funny but she's already surpassed him in single sales? I like Ben and I hope he does well - his album is going well at number 7 but I feel that if Simon dropped him he wouldn't be picked up by another label. I think he will have better success than the other male winners though.”
“I don't see how someone can say Ben will have longer lasting career than Fleur - not being funny but she's already surpassed him in single sales? I like Ben and I hope he does well - his album is going well at number 7 but I feel that if Simon dropped him he wouldn't be picked up by another label. I think he will have better success than the other male winners though.”
She has a higher initial chart position on her first single with a much bigger marketing push behind it. One big single doesn't equal longevity in one's career otherwise you would be talking about Ben having a longer career on the strength of his winners single having outsold Sax. It's still all to play for for both of them.
We've yet to see how a second single will do. They can't release Uptown Funk 3.0 and they certainly cannot follow that up with Uptown Funk 4.0. and expect sales to remain at the same level. She'll need to bring something different to the table next time around.
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“My opinion is if Fleur got dropped she would be snapped up by anther label anyway, she has a lot to offer. Having said all of that Ben and Fleur are facing a lot of competition at the moment with one d Adele etc, they are highly unlikely to get to any top spots until some of the more established artists take a break! Doesn't mean they are failing but new artists take a while to break the industry!”
“My opinion is if Fleur got dropped she would be snapped up by anther label anyway, she has a lot to offer. Having said all of that Ben and Fleur are facing a lot of competition at the moment with one d Adele etc, they are highly unlikely to get to any top spots until some of the more established artists take a break! Doesn't mean they are failing but new artists take a while to break the industry!”
Who knows whether Fleur would be snapped up or not. She's a risky proposition to a label because she doesn't currently generate her own material and material is the foundation of any act's career. It's also expensive.
Syco have spent a lot on getting established hit makers in to launch her. Add to that all of the other costs such as marketing etc... If diminishing returns kick in (which we have seen again and again with XF acts doing well initially with a front-loaded launch single and then tailing off substantially) they're unlikely to keep subsidising her. If that happens she's left with no new material unless someone else steps in to provide it for her.
Originally Posted by Eva_Coco_May:
“Wel have to wait and see what happens but I feel Fleur is just beginning doubt Simon be getting rid of her Anytime soon he knows he could break her internationally.”
“Wel have to wait and see what happens but I feel Fleur is just beginning doubt Simon be getting rid of her Anytime soon he knows he could break her internationally.”
Cher Lloyd 'broke internationally'. Briefly. The same principles of material supply here. Fleur's a good dancer, but she needs a steady stream of quality material because the bells and whistles on their own won't be enough to sustain a long term career at this level. As she's entirely dependent on Syco for that and Syco's track record in this department is far from great, I would hold off on proclaiming her an international superstar in waiting just yet.
Originally Posted by mmpfb:
“She has a higher initial chart position on her first single with a much bigger marketing push behind it. One big single doesn't equal longevity in one's career otherwise you would be talking about Ben having a longer career on the strength of his winners single having outsold Sax. It's still all to play for for both of them.
We've yet to see how a second single will do. They can't release Uptown Funk 3.0 and they certainly cannot follow that up with Uptown Funk 4.0. and expect sales to remain at the same level. She'll need to bring something different to the table next time around.
Who knows whether Fleur would be snapped up or not. She's a risky proposition to a label because she doesn't currently generate her own material and material is the foundation of any act's career. It's also expensive.
Syco have spent a lot on getting established hit makers in to launch her. Add to that all of the other costs such as marketing etc... If diminishing returns kick in (which we have seen again and again with XF acts doing well initially with a front-loaded launch single and then tailing off substantially) they're unlikely to keep subsidising her. If that happens she's left with no new material unless someone else steps in to provide it for her.
Cher Lloyd 'broke internationally'. Briefly. The same principles of material supply here. Fleur's a good dancer, but she needs a steady stream of quality material because the bells and whistles on their own won't be enough to sustain a long term career at this level. As she's entirely dependent on Syco for that and Syco's track record in this department is far from great, I would hold off on proclaiming her an international superstar in waiting just yet.”
“She has a higher initial chart position on her first single with a much bigger marketing push behind it. One big single doesn't equal longevity in one's career otherwise you would be talking about Ben having a longer career on the strength of his winners single having outsold Sax. It's still all to play for for both of them.
We've yet to see how a second single will do. They can't release Uptown Funk 3.0 and they certainly cannot follow that up with Uptown Funk 4.0. and expect sales to remain at the same level. She'll need to bring something different to the table next time around.
Who knows whether Fleur would be snapped up or not. She's a risky proposition to a label because she doesn't currently generate her own material and material is the foundation of any act's career. It's also expensive.
Syco have spent a lot on getting established hit makers in to launch her. Add to that all of the other costs such as marketing etc... If diminishing returns kick in (which we have seen again and again with XF acts doing well initially with a front-loaded launch single and then tailing off substantially) they're unlikely to keep subsidising her. If that happens she's left with no new material unless someone else steps in to provide it for her.
Cher Lloyd 'broke internationally'. Briefly. The same principles of material supply here. Fleur's a good dancer, but she needs a steady stream of quality material because the bells and whistles on their own won't be enough to sustain a long term career at this level. As she's entirely dependent on Syco for that and Syco's track record in this department is far from great, I would hold off on proclaiming her an international superstar in waiting just yet.”
Well said
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