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Humax HDR-1000S padding problem
It seems the Humax will not record, with padding, two consecutive programmes on the same channel. The padding at the junction of the two shows doesn't happen, so one of the shows gets cropped.
I remember having the same problem many years ago with ye olde PVR-9200T. I don't think it was ever fixed. |
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It seems the Humax will not record, with padding, two consecutive programmes on the same channel. The padding at the junction of the two shows doesn't happen, so one of the shows gets cropped.
I remember having the same problem many years ago with ye olde PVR-9200T. I don't think it was ever fixed. |
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Thanks Graham for your prompt response. I can see where you're coming from on this, but I'm not convinced. What if I want to keep one of the shows and delete the other? Murphy's law says the one I keep is the one that's cropped. A Sky box behaves the way I would expect.
While I've got your attention, here's a related question. I find it essential to set the padding to 2 minutes, not Auto, otherwise every show gets cropped. The question is, will it still follow last minute changes to programme times? I think not. Back in the summer I experimented with this by setting the Humax and my Sky box to record the news after the end of Wimbledon. Inevitably the Andy Murray final overran. The Humax gave me 30 seconds of national news and no regional news at all, because it stuck to the original times. Sky? You guessed it, both newses recorded perfectly. |
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Thanks Graham for your prompt response. I can see where you're coming from on this, but I'm not convinced. What if I want to keep one of the shows and delete the other? Murphy's law says the one I keep is the one that's cropped. A Sky box behaves the way I would expect.
While I've got your attention, here's a related question. I find it essential to set the padding to 2 minutes, not Auto, otherwise every show gets cropped. The question is, will it still follow last minute changes to programme times? I think not. Back in the summer I experimented with this by setting the Humax and my Sky box to record the news after the end of Wimbledon. Inevitably the Andy Murray final overran. The Humax gave me 30 seconds of national news and no regional news at all, because it stuck to the original times. Sky? You guessed it, both newses recorded perfectly. Auto wakes up 15 mins before to wait for broadcaster to signal start of recording. During this period epg is also being updated. Setting padding box wakes up at scheduled adjusted time and starts to record, there is no period for the box to update the epg. Sky box has lnb and hard disk powered 24/7 (consuming large amounts of power) so epg is constantly updated. A freesat box has to be able to wake to make recordings from a sby power of 0.5W or less. |
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As I understand it, a Sky box set to Auto will start recording 2 min before the scheduled time OR on the broadcaster's flag, whichever is sooner. Padding is therefore OK for a late start but lost for an early start. Similarly it will stop on the broadcaster's flag + padding time OR 2 mins after the scheduled time, whichever is later. In this way padding and auto can be used together, not either/or.
Incidentally the Sky hard drive doesn''t run 24/7, it does shut down for long periods. Could there also be limitations in the freesat system itself? I'm guessing that the Sky data present on every transponder is proprietary, so a freesat box must rely on the one transponder that carries the freesat epg. If both tuners are in use then this EPG is inaccessible. Would the basic 'now and next' be available? Also dealing with last minute changes may require bums on seats at freesat HQ, which may not be affordable 24/7. |
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As I understand it, a Sky box set to Auto will start recording 2 min before the scheduled time OR on the broadcaster's flag, whichever is sooner. Padding is therefore OK for a late start but lost for an early start. Similarly it will stop on the broadcaster's flag + padding time OR 2 mins after the scheduled time, whichever is later. In this way padding and auto can be used together, not either/or.
Incidentally the Sky hard drive doesn''t run 24/7, it does shut down for long periods. Could there also be limitations in the freesat system itself? I'm guessing that the Sky data present on every transponder is proprietary, so a freesat box must rely on the one transponder that carries the freesat epg. If both tuners are in use then this EPG is inaccessible. Would the basic 'now and next' be available? Also dealing with last minute changes may require bums on seats at freesat HQ, which may not be affordable 24/7. |
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Thanks Graham for your input, I think this thread has raised some interesting points.
And taken me to 1000 posts! |
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OK, going back to the original question at the top of this thread, I've been doing some more experiments. I restarted the Humax with only one dish feed. With this, I confirmed that it will record 2 shows at the same time from different channels on the same transponder.
I don't see how this differs from making 2 simultaneous recordings from the same channel which is what should happen when recording padding/overlap. Constraining 2 consecutive recordings on one channel to always use the same tuner would appear to be pointless, but harmless. |
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OK, going back to the original question at the top of this thread, I've been doing some more experiments. I restarted the Humax with only one dish feed. With this, I confirmed that it will record 2 shows at the same time from different channels on the same transponder.
I don't see how this differs from making 2 simultaneous recordings from the same channel which is what should happen when recording padding/overlap. Constraining 2 consecutive recordings on one channel to always use the same tuner would appear to be pointless, but harmless. Incidentally both recordings do not have to be on the same transponder (which would make allocating tuners even more complex). Assuming you have an English (Or Northern Ireland) postcode try this Tune to 108 (BBC I HD) start an instant recording. Tune to 126 (CH4 HD) start a second Enter 127 to watch 4Seven Enter 106 or 600 (depending on time) to View BBC Three HD/CBBC HD Enter 102 to watch BBC 2 HD, wait until a new programme starts, Press Recordings - latest and stop recording 126 or 108, return to viewing 102. Press record to record the BBC 2 HD programme from the beginning to the end. Not bad for a single cable Why do you use padding, auto is much more reliable for the main channels as the box can respond to broadcaster accurate record start and stop signals ? |
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Thanks again Graham. I don't use auto because the signal it uses generally occurs hard on the programme start. By the time the box drops into record, several seconds of programme have been lost. I suggested in post #5 how auto and padding could be used together. It should not be necessary to choose one or the other.
I understand now from what you say, how it is desirable for 2 consecutive shows on the same channel, to be taken from the same tuner. However you have still not explained why this means that padding/overlap at the junction of these shows, cannot be done. |
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Thanks again Graham. I don't use auto because the signal it uses generally occurs hard on the programme start. By the time the box drops into record, several seconds of programme have been lost. I suggested in post #5 how auto and padding could be used together. It should not be necessary to choose one or the other.
I understand now from what you say, how it is desirable for 2 consecutive shows on the same channel, to be taken from the same tuner. However you have still not explained why this means that padding/overlap at the junction of these shows, cannot be done. In theory the box could record up to 4 at once (The German Icord is capable of this). but the software limits simultaneous recordings to two no matter how many tuners are being used. You can though record the time shift buffer contents after one recording completes. If you use a watch reservation to ensure the time shift buffer is complete you can then in effect record 3 at the same time. |
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