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Bowie was an egomaniac
The Spiders, those 3 guys from Hull , were basically his band they played on Man who sold the world, Hunky Dory, Ziggy .... but the covers of those three albums only featured the Ego maniac Bowie...
the guys did nt get a look in. In the end they were just left high and dry as the ego maniac Bowie pursued his career in the USA .... basically as a solo artist |
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Ziggy would have happened anyway without TSFM. It would never have happened without Bowie.
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The Spiders, those 3 guys from Hull , were basically his band they played on Man who sold the world, Hunky Dory, Ziggy .... but the covers of those three albums only featured the Ego maniac Bowie...
the guys did nt get a look in. In the end they were just left high and dry as the ego maniac Bowie pursued his career in the USA .... basically as a solo artist |
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The Spiders, those 3 guys from Hull , were basically his band they played on Man who sold the world, Hunky Dory, Ziggy .... but the covers of those three albums only featured the Ego maniac Bowie...
the guys did nt get a look in. In the end they were just left high and dry as the ego maniac Bowie pursued his career in the USA .... basically as a solo artist This is hardly news....and yes, they were basically his band and he was basically a solo artist. |
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You do know Ziggy Stardust and The Spiders From Mars was just a concept, right? Bowie was always a solo artist.
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I'm not sure at the time that everyone bought the idea and many were shocked when Ziggy announced his retirement!
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Apparently the touring second guitarist found out summat was up before the Spiders when he was told to hold off playing the opening riff of the final song until Bowie had made the announcement.
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They were great guys and superb musicians... Woody...Mick Ronson and Trev
and should have been treated a whole lot better. Its too late now poor Mick and Trev are no longer with us. Its pretty obvious Bowie had no sentiment, he just saw them as hired hands. |
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Its pretty obvious Bowie had no sentiment, he just saw them as hired hands.
I'm sure Mick Ronson was a great pianist and a talented arranger, but to my ears his guitar playing is some of the worst I've ever heard. I could never work out whether he was tone deaf, or deliberately played his guitar out of tune. The solo in She Shook Me Cold is like an excrutiatingly extended version of Dave Davies's in All Day And All Of The Night. Listen to his live solo on Moonage Daydream and cringe with embarrassment. |
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They were great guys and superb musicians... Woody...Mick Ronson and Trev
and should have been treated a whole lot better. Its too late now poor Mick and Trev are no longer with us. Its pretty obvious Bowie had no sentiment, he just saw them as hired hands. |
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The cover is so striking on Diamond Dogs ... by the Belgian artist Guy Peellaert
Who can forget his illustrations in the book... Rock Dreams.... how did he do that way back in 1973 ... long before the days of photoshop ? Bowie must have seen that book and comissioned him for the Diamond dogs album cover |
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More likely he had taken the whole Ziggy thing as far as he wanted it to go and realised that the same musicians weren't capable of moving on to the next phase. Having said that, I absolutely hated Diamond Dogs and never listen to any of the songs on it. I also never listen to the albums after that with American hired hands playing those horrible, squealy rock guitars. It wasn't until Lodger, Low and Heroes when he suddenly became interesting again.
I'm sure Mick Ronson was a great pianist and a talented arranger, but to my ears his guitar playing is some of the worst I've ever heard. I could never work out whether he was tone deaf, or deliberately played his guitar out of tune. The solo in She Shook Me Cold is like an excrutiatingly extended version of Dave Davies's in All Day And All Of The Night. Listen to his live solo on Moonage Daydream and cringe with embarrassment. Before Mick lost his battle with cancer in 1993, Bowie did work with him again, after the "Ziggy Stardust" period, when he recruited him to work on his album, "Black Tie, White Noise" |
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Was that Trevor Bolder the Bass Player who went on to Uriah Heep??
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I think at that level of fame they are all egomaniacs. Bowie at least could back it up a bit with talent and intelligence.
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I think at that level of fame they are all egomaniacs. Bowie at least could back it up a bit with talent and intelligence.
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All had the talent to play. But it was the writing that made it.
Don't get the Ronson couldn't play guitar vibe. I suppose they also think Neil Young can't play either as there is someone who bends notes out of shape even more than Mick did which adds an extra level of tension to the music. |
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Its pretty obvious Bowie had no sentiment, he just saw them as hired hands.
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Angie was a bit of a babe back then ...
In Lycra and hi heels she could have had a spot in the Ziggy show a song maybe ? She must have been around for a year or two in the early 70s........ maybe she has a book out about that frantic time ? |
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Don't get the Ronson couldn't play guitar vibe. I suppose they also think Neil Young can't play either as there is someone who bends notes out of shape even more than Mick did which adds an extra level of tension to the music.
There's no comparison with Neil Young, who plays both acoustic and electric guitar in a variety of styles and has made that messy, feedback-laden guitar sound all his own. And he plays in tune. |
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At least he's still making music new album out in January
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Funny you should mention Neil Young,... did nt he record some of his albums in a barn with straw bails set around ?
Listening back to Mother Nature on the Run...brilliant song but the backing so basic... a piano, couple of guitars ! If he d have got George Martin on his case George would have pulled out the stops with orchestra....mellotron... the works . Kind of get that feeling with some of Bowies songs... basics done at Hadden Hall, then suped up at Trident studios ? some of those songs deserved more effort. |
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Looks like that by 1970 the Great Bowie was living in some style at
Haddon Hall, I thought.... we ve got basically Bowie's "Graceland" here but... would n't you know it .... its been demolished ! |
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Listening back to Mother Nature on the Run...brilliant song but the backing so basic... a piano, couple of guitars!
If he d have got George Martin on his case George would have pulled out the stops with orchestra....mellotron... the works. |
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Funny you should mention Neil Young,... did nt he record some of his albums in a barn with straw bails set around ?
Listening back to Mother Nature on the Run...brilliant song but the backing so basic... a piano, couple of guitars ! If he d have got George Martin on his case George would have pulled out the stops with orchestra....mellotron... the works . |
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You haven't heard Neil Young's "A Man Needs A Maid" from the 'Harvest' album? Orchestral turned up to 11.
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