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Was Scott really out of line?
Must have missed a bit because it sounded like regular board room savagery
Refusing to bid farewell to Sam seemed cruel but from what I saw it was unwarranted, something must have been cut out. |
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Scott seemed to have had some kind of personality transplant this week. Taking offence as members of the Public not stopping for him, accusing Brett of threatening physical violence when he hadn't (which could have done severe damage to his reputation if Sam and Karen hadn't been around to support his version) and insulting Sam's business plan and refusing to say goodbye to him at the end.
He's really shown himself up. |
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Scott seemed to have had some kind of personality transplant this week. Taking offence as members of the Public not stopping for him, accusing Brett of threatening physical violence when he hadn't (which could have done severe damage to his reputation if Sam and Karen hadn't been around to support his version) and insulting Sam's business plan and refusing to say goodbye to him at the end.
He's really shown himself up. |
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I used to like him but in this task he was mean and disagreeable.
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I really didn't think he was that bad. I think he took a few things oversensitively, but his team seemed like a bunch of moaning pains tbf.
Not shaking the hand was totally out of line though but he appears to have apologised and is still friends with Sam so. |
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I think his initial plan was to go into the boardroom, make Brett look like a thug that wound everyone up and had to go. When Sam and Karen spoke up on Brett's behalf, that plan went out the window so the next option was to attack Sam.
I don't disagree with Brett being difficult to work with at times but to make up the fact that Brett threatened him with actual violence is taking it a step too far I think. And it was clear he did make it up, he didn't 'mishear' it because Brett said nothing which even remotely sounded like 'I'll smash your face in!'. Unless of course Brett DID say that but off camera but Scott said it happened during that argument they had in the store so... I'll give credit to Sam, he could've sat back and agreed with Scott and said 'Yeah Brett DID say that!' to try and save his own skin in the process as he must have known he was in real trouble. The fact he didn't says a lot more of him than it does Scott. |
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I think the 'smash his face' in comment was just Scott filling in the gaps. Whilst of course Brett didn't say that his defense spoke volumes, 'I just said if you speak like that to me again . . . .' What will you do Brett if Scott speaks like that to you again hmm.
The team was a complete mess with everyone choosing a behaviour or 2 from the following: negative, demanding, selfish, incompetent etc. Scott is usually a nice guy but I think the team this time just broke him
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I think the 'smash his face' in comment was just Scott filling in the gaps. Whilst of course Brett didn't say that his defense spoke volumes, 'I just said if you speak like that to me again . . . .' What will you do Brett if Scott speaks like that to you again hmm.
The team was a complete mess with everyone choosing a behaviour or 2 from the following: negative, demanding, selfish, incompetent etc. Scott is usually a nice guy but I think the team this time just broke him ![]() I do however think Scott was out of line with the comment and just said it in an attempt to make Brett look worse than he was. |
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accusing Brett of threatening physical violence when he hadn't
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This team were just a mess from start to finish. Sam was completely out of his depth, Brett was very bullish and hard to manage, Selina was just a Grade A pain in the arse, and everyone was covering their backs from the word go. So I can see why this task didn't bring out the best in Scott to be fair.
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It was rude of Scott to walk out blanking the contestant who had just been 'fired'
What a bad sport |
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It was rude of Scott to walk out blanking the contestant who had just been 'fired'
What a bad sport |
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I didn't mind Scott before but I don't like him now. Brett is annoying but accusing him of saying something he didn't was bad. As for Sam, he was such a nice guy, not saying goodbye to him was out of order.
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It was really despicable for him making up lies throwing Brett under the bus.
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Y'know, I don't blame Scott.
Imagine having to live in a house with all these people. And then having to not only work with but MANAGE both Selina and Brett who more often than not have very conflicting opinions and want things done their way or bust. I think what we witnessed tonight was Scott having a stress meltdown that came to a head in the boardroom. As others have said, the team broke him. I'm sure it wasn't Sam personally that irritated Scott to the point of getting back to the house without saying goodbye (though I'll admit that was still incredibly harsh). I think it was just the fact that this week beat him. Mercilessly. And he just wanted it over and done with asap, even if all he had left was just the taxi ride back to the house. My concern now is, we're going to see Scott's motivation completely disappear. Like other ex-candidates some of them just lose steam halfway through the process and I think tonight was the first red flag that that's going to be how Scott leaves the show either next week or the week after. But that's what happens when you're in the company of borderline toxic people like Selina I suppose. |
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personally thought scott came across as a particularly nasty and untrustworthy person last night
his attitude when they were selling on the street was atrocious telling blatant lies to try and sabotage others in the board room was pretty low as well, especially accusing people of threatening him with physical violence |
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I actually almost liked Selina tonight because everyone else on that team was so irritable. I felt bad for Scott. I also saw a bit of a snakey side to Sam tonight and I couldn't believe he messed up the figures again - as soon as that happened I thought he was a goner.
I actually thought Selina had a bit of a valid point about being taken out of the shop to restock, but not as much for the reasons she gave. If Sam wasn't selling too well, who better to take to restock, is one idea, but also... Selina is quite a short woman. Surely if you're choosing someone to restock, you'll pick someone strong who can carry things as quickly as possible. I would have left both women in the shop to try and bring in customers. Having said that, there might have been an element of trying not to leave Selina with people she'd grate with. Scott's team this week reminded me of the riddle about the chicken, the fox and the corn and not being able to leave any two with each other for fear of something getting destroyed. Vana/Brett and Scott/Selina were just about the only pairs of people that could just get on and do the job without being at each other's throats or making snide remarks. |
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Personally, I believe that Brett did say something disagreeable, maybe as bravodo and under breath - not for anyone's hearing but Scott heard something. I know that I don't know Scoot, but the type of person Scott appears to be, and his reaction to being contradicted makes me more inclined to believe that he heard a bit more than being admitted. Also Karen being on AYF, just seem to me to be damage limitation exercise (she may not have been party to all that happened). Also Sam did not seem to deny Scott's assertion with much conviction (I believe what he says about trying to behave with integrity). Scott is someone who appears to take things personally and not very endearing when deflated, but I don't believe he is vindictive for the sake of it. Disparaging Sam's business plan was out of order though, especially because it does not seem that Sam ever shared it with him personally - clutching at straws maybe. Sir Alan could have fired him as well, it would have been easy if it transpired that Scott was purposely making false accusations - but he didn't, so to me that speaks volumes.
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I think Scott was just stressed throughout this task, yes he should have shaken Sam's hand but he has since apologised for this. Also I think it was a genuine mistake with Brett who had said "I you speak to me to like that again..." Brett wasn't completely innocent there, he just didn't say the rest.
Sam was definitely the right person to go, I don't understand all all the support for him, he's been completely ineffectual throughout the whole thing. |
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Scott hit the wall this week. The team didn't help him, especially with Brett and Selina getting the wrong end of the stick with regards to the idea of the task.
I actually thought Selina performed well on this task. |
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Scott acted like an arsehole - all task. Trying to sell boxed up maltesers on an escalator???
Whether something was said off-camera, we'll never know, but after Sam and Karren confronted him with the truth, he soon backed off. Beside, they're miked up at all times and hardly ever off camera. And he brought Brett into the boardroom despite delivering sales, and not Selina, who it was commonly agreed brought major negativity to the team. Scotts gone way down as of last night. |
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As someone above has mentioned, why didn't Scott take Sam on the stocking re-run, it did seem as if he was playing a "game" in taking Selina with him, seeing if he could break her, and then have an excuse to fire her.
But he did bring in the wrong person in Brett, Selina was more deserving than he was, by a country mile. I think his plan was to get Brett fired using his "smash your face in" threat, hoping to go unchallenged on it, but it back fired when 2 people pulled him up on it. |
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I was quite shocked at how he suddenly turned on Sam. He seemed particularly nasty towards him.
He didn't just bring him into the boardroom, he also stuck the knife into him on a personal level saying that he doesn't like working with him in general. It was a poor team, but Scott was just as guilty as anyone else. He was a poor leader who made poor decisions. From the show it appeared that he pulled things back a bit near the end of the day according to Karen, but when the final results came in Gary's team gave them an absolute hiding. Not as close as I thought it was going to be. It was around £500 difference wasn't it? I remember at the start of the task Lord Sugar explained to them exactly what the task was about. Buy cheap things in volume and sell cheap, restock, and keep the machine going. It appears that Scott completely ignored this as Karen made the point that Scott decided that he wanted to sell electrical goods because you can sell them at a more expensive price. Selina appeared to be the only person who pointed out this error. She might have been a whiner, but credit to her for being the one to point this out to Scott. Of course he completely ignored her and decided to do what he wanted to do regardless. Vana and Brett surprised me by being very effective as a pair. They worked really well together and were probably the strongest two in the team. I think that there was a bit of alpha male nonsense going on and that's why Scott brought the two guys back in. Like it was his male ego influencing his decision making and he wanted to come across as the best man in the team. Did it say on last night's show that Scott has lost twice as the project manager? For some reason I got the impression that he was competent, but maybe not. He probably has the image of being competent which often subconsciously goes over my head, as contestants in the past have had the image of being competent in the way in which they present themselves,...but under closer scrutiny you realise that they aren't always as good as they appear on the surface. Losing twice as the project manager isn't good at all. I'm trying to remember if Tom who won his series lost two stints as project manager. Surprisingly, now that Sam has gone Scott now suddenly appears to be one of the weakest candidates in the group who are left. It's surprising how quickly things can change from one week to the next at this stage in the competition. I guess that's because as the numbers are reduced you can get to look at them all more closely as individuals. It gets harder to hide behind an image of professionalism as it gets closer to the final. |
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Scott has been a good candidate in general but a poor PM. He now has no chance of making the final 5 now
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I think the 'smash his face' in comment was just Scott filling in the gaps. Whilst of course Brett didn't say that his defense spoke volumes, 'I just said if you speak like that to me again . . . .' What will you do Brett if Scott speaks like that to you again hmm.
The team was a complete mess with everyone choosing a behaviour or 2 from the following: negative, demanding, selfish, incompetent etc. Scott is usually a nice guy but I think the team this time just broke him ![]() I don't think that Scott 'made it up' exactly as he did look quite flummoxed when Sam and Karen backed Brett up but he let his imagination fill in the blanks and although a threat might have been left hanging in the air, he could not predict exactly what Brett was going to say. It could have been "if you speak to me like that again, i will lodge a formal complaint against you, I will get the other ream members back to take a vote about sacking you as PM, i'll kiss you because it's actually turning me on," Yes, arguably the tone indicated violence but until he actually made that threat in plain English, it couldn't be brought up in the Board Room and even if Scott was genuinely confused about what had been said, the potential consequences for Brett, not just in the process but his general reputation, we're so serious he needed to be sure. Or probably even have said something at the time. I do think Scott was maybe feeling ill or worried about something other than the process as he seemed so different and out of sorts. |
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