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Old 20-11-2015, 20:49
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About 5 years ago, these shows were firing on all cylinders, what with EastEnders celebrating its 25th anniversary with Who killed Archie? And bringing in over 16 Million viewers for its LIVE episode, and with Corrie celebrating their 50th with the tram crash, and lots of other big storylines.

5 years later and both shows have just ran out of steam.

What with this tedious Ronnie & Roxy stuff in EastEnders and the awfully directed storyline between Simon and Leanne in Coromation Street, they've just become a complete laughing stock. Emmerdale is far from perfect, but it's been much better than the other 2 over the past few months. What EE and CS need is a fresh production team, who can make them the biggest shows on British TV again.
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Old 20-11-2015, 20:55
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Our nations two big soaps reek of stagnation and indifference towards the viewers intelligence,

Perhaps there really is something worthwhile taking note of in some of the intelligent discussions of recent times on here and beyond that soaps as a genre are in decline and struggling to stay fresh?

Moribund Is possibly an appropriate word for were we may be heading.
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Old 20-11-2015, 20:56
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Ronnie and Roxy was fantastic I thought
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Old 20-11-2015, 20:58
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About 5 years ago, these shows were firing on all cylinders, what with EastEnders celebrating its 25th anniversary with Who killed Archie? And bringing in over 16 Million viewers for its LIVE episode, and with Corrie celebrating their 50th with the tram crash, and lots of other big storylines.

5 years later and both shows have just ran out of steam.

What with this tedious Ronnie & Roxy stuff in EastEnders and the awfully directed storyline between Simon and Leanne in Coromation Street, they've just become a complete laughing stock. Emmerdale is far from perfect, but it's been much better than the other 2 over the past few months. What EE and CS need is a fresh production team, who can make them the biggest shows on British TV again.
I agree with the eastenders bit the show has declined a lot since 2010. There has not been one good single year since 2010 and it such bore atm. Coronation street on the other hand it just crap
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Old 20-11-2015, 20:58
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Ronnie and Roxy was fantastic I thought
I did too. Don't usually like Ronnie. I also thought tonight's episode was the best in AGES.
Fatboy getting a proper storyline. Mick and Linda at their happy best again.
Drama with Ronnie and Roxy plus some nice scenes from Dot,Les,Honey and Cora.
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Old 20-11-2015, 21:00
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Corrie was great tonight, such lovely scenes with Craig and his new girlfriend, and Leanne and Eva are just wonderful together, brilliant actresses.
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Old 20-11-2015, 21:03
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Ronnie and Roxy was fantastic I thought
I did too. Don't usually like Ronnie. I also thought tonight's episode was the best in AGES.
Fatboy getting a proper storyline. Mick and Linda at their happy best again.
Drama with Ronnie and Roxy plus some nice scenes from Dot,Les,Honey and Cora.
Agreed. Tonight was really good.

Corrie was great tonight, such lovely scenes with Craig and his new girlfriend, and Leanne and Eva are just wonderful together, brilliant actresses.
Agreed too. I liked tonight's Corrie, still hate Simon though but glad Leanne sent him to Kens.
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Old 20-11-2015, 21:03
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Ronnie needs help.
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Old 20-11-2015, 21:09
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Ronnie and Roxy was fantastic I thought
Me too loved there little bitch fight and good continuity with Roxy's scar.
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Old 20-11-2015, 21:16
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Oh, I loved Ronnie and Roxy's cat fight

But the whole 'your my sistaaa' act is just so ridiculous now. Ronnie's character has been butchered IMO.
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Old 20-11-2015, 21:19
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Oh, I loved Ronnie and Roxy's cat fight

But the whole 'your my sistaaa' act is just so ridiculous now. Ronnie's character has been butchered IMO.
It wasn't just that though. They delved into their background and childhood.
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Old 20-11-2015, 21:22
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Corrie tonight was its same old formulaic self.

Even though I call it 'atrocious' and other similar terms, it's not actually atrocious. It's just repetitive, predictable and boring. Each episode is just a variation on the same old rubbish.
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Old 20-11-2015, 21:36
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Its saddening looking back at the standard of Corrie even in 2010 compared to now, what a difference five years makes.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:03
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Corrie tonight was its same old formulaic self.

Even though I call it 'atrocious' and other similar terms, it's not actually atrocious. It's just repetitive, predictable and boring. Each episode is just a variation on the same old rubbish.
It just needs to look at itself & where it was 10/15 years ago!! Almost every character actually brought something to the show in those days, dare I say it , even the characters who we all slate these days like Fiz, Sophie, early Michelle & Carla, Maria, yes even Sean ( ducks for cover)!! These days the whole thing just plods along with characters we've forgotten how to care about because the stuff they're doing is either out of character or the characters have never really been developed, or have just gone stale!
Take Fiz for example, love her or hate her 10 years ago she was a feisty, gobby madam who would take no sh*t off anyone, what is she now? A whining pathetic nonentity with zero personality who no one really cares about!!
Sophie, a funny, vibrant, witty kid in the 00's, now just a sour faced, opinionated pain in the backside!
Maria, a great character, feisty, bit selfish at times, prone to feuds over men with the other female characters back in those days but good hearted!! One of the few who I believe has been developed well so what do they do? leave her in the backgroud, ignoring all her history, to go stale without a storyline!!
That's just 3 examples!!
The answer of the last two producers, especially Stuart Blackburn, to the problem, has been to throw new characters at it which might have worked had they been properly developed but, particularly in the case of Kal, he just never got past first base & within a couple of weeks you'd lost interest, the same with so many others, they just haven't really offered anything to the show!!
I have an awful feeling Kate Oates' answer will be to throw big stunts at it but that just isn't what Corrie is about!!
I don't have the answers but I really hope someone does!! I love this show but at the moment I just ain't getting anything back!!
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:05
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It just needs to look at itself & where it was 10/15 years ago!! Almost every character actually brought something to the show in those days, dare I say it , even the characters who we all slate these days like Fiz, Sophie, early Michelle & Carla, Maria, yes even Sean ( ducks for cover)!! These days the whole thing just plods along with characters we've forgotten how to care about because the stuff they're doing is either out of character or the characters have never really been developed, or have just gone stale!
Take Fiz for example, love her or hate her 10 years ago she was a feisty, gobby madam who would take no sh*t off anyone, what is she now? A whining pathetic nonentity with zero personality who no one really cares about!!
Sophie, a funny, vibrant, witty kid in the 00's, now just a sour faced, opinionated pain in the backside!
Maria, a great character, feisty, bit selfish at times, prone to feuds over men with the other female characters back in those days but good hearted!! One of the few who I believe has been developed well so what do they do? leave her in the backgroud, ignoring all her history, to go stale without a storyline!!
That's just 3 examples!!
The answer of the last two producers, especially Stuart Blackburn, to the problem, has been to throw new characters at it which might have worked had they been properly developed but, particularly in the case of Kal, he just never got past first base & within a couple of weeks you'd lost interest, the same with so many others, they just haven't really offered anything to the show!!
I have an awful feeling Kate Oates' answer will be to throw big stunts at it but that just isn't what Corrie is about!!
I don't have the answers but I really hope someone does!! I love this show but at the moment I just ain't getting anything back!!
Corrie was great 10 years ago! Good comment NDD
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:11
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It just needs to look at itself & where it was 10/15 years ago!! Almost every character actually brought something to the show in those days, dare I say it , even the characters who we all slate these days like Fiz, Sophie, early Michelle & Carla, Maria, yes even Sean ( ducks for cover)!! These days the whole thing just plods along with characters we've forgotten how to care about because the stuff they're doing is either out of character or the characters have never really been developed, or have just gone stale!
Take Fiz for example, love her or hate her 10 years ago she was a feisty, gobby madam who would take no sh*t off anyone, what is she now? A whining pathetic nonentity with zero personality who no one really cares about!!
Sophie, a funny, vibrant, witty kid in the 00's, now just a sour faced, opinionated pain in the backside!
Maria, a great character, feisty, bit selfish at times, prone to feuds over men with the other female characters back in those days but good hearted!! One of the few who I believe has been developed well so what do they do? leave her in the backgroud, ignoring all her history, to go stale without a storyline!!
That's just 3 examples!!
The answer of the last two producers, especially Stuart Blackburn, to the problem, has been to throw new characters at it which might have worked had they been properly developed but, particularly in the case of Kal, he just never got past first base & within a couple of weeks you'd lost interest, the same with so many others, they just haven't really offered anything to the show!!
I have an awful feeling Kate Oates' answer will be to throw big stunts at it but that just isn't what Corrie is about!!
I don't have the answers but I really hope someone does!! I love this show but at the moment I just ain't getting anything back!!
Corrie was great 10 years ago! Good comment NDD
Agree with both comments! Corrie was last at its best in 2005. I'm currently watching 2003 and despite having double episodes then they still managed to keep up the quality.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:14
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I thought Eastenders was pretty good tonight.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:16
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It just needs to look at itself & where it was 10/15 years ago!! Almost every character actually brought something to the show in those days, dare I say it , even the characters who we all slate these days like Fiz, Sophie, early Michelle & Carla, Maria, yes even Sean ( ducks for cover)!! These days the whole thing just plods along with characters we've forgotten how to care about because the stuff they're doing is either out of character or the characters have never really been developed, or have just gone stale!
Take Fiz for example, love her or hate her 10 years ago she was a feisty, gobby madam who would take no sh*t off anyone, what is she now? A whining pathetic nonentity with zero personality who no one really cares about!!
Sophie, a funny, vibrant, witty kid in the 00's, now just a sour faced, opinionated pain in the backside!
Maria, a great character, feisty, bit selfish at times, prone to feuds over men with the other female characters back in those days but good hearted!! One of the few who I believe has been developed well so what do they do? leave her in the backgroud, ignoring all her history, to go stale without a storyline!!
That's just 3 examples!!
The answer of the last two producers, especially Stuart Blackburn, to the problem, has been to throw new characters at it which might have worked had they been properly developed but, particularly in the case of Kal, he just never got past first base & within a couple of weeks you'd lost interest, the same with so many others, they just haven't really offered anything to the show!!
I have an awful feeling Kate Oates' answer will be to throw big stunts at it but that just isn't what Corrie is about!!
I don't have the answers but I really hope someone does!! I love this show but at the moment I just ain't getting anything back!!
I'm so glad that you're back from your exile ndd

This is a perfect post. What makes it SO frustrating is that the raw materials that Corrie needs are there, it just seems that nobody knows how to use them. They have a generally strong cast, many of whom have been in the show for years. Until you said it, I hadn't appreciated how much they now rely on bringing in new characters to try and give existing characters some direction. All they end up with is two characters that they don't know how to deal with rather than one. Then the cast just balloons with more and more new characters in the hope that one of them will provide the adrenaline boost that the show needs.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:16
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Agree with both comments! Corrie was last at its best in 2005. I'm currently watching 2003 and despite having double episodes then they still managed to keep up the quality.
It really was. Sure there were some poor characters (see the deadwood thread) and even some duff storylines but the quality overall was great personally in the early-mid 00s. There have been lots of episodes from that period recently uploaded to Youtube and I have enjoyed watching them back with a bit of nostalgia. Even the characters that are still there today seemed to be a lot better as notdebbiedingle pointed out. Gail was a strong matriachal figure back then and Helen Worth delievered some fantastic scenes, today the character has fallen so far, to be simpering over Les Dennis.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:18
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Corrie was great 10 years ago! Good comment NDD
Although Fiz, Sophie and Dreary Maria have never been great.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:18
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Agree with both comments! Corrie was last at its best in 2005. I'm currently watching 2003 and despite having double episodes then they still managed to keep up the quality.
Double episodes were perfect in 2003 because there was a genuine hunger for more Corrie. I remember them being an exciting treat, especially around the time of Richard Hillman killing Maxine and then later coming back to drive the Platts into the canal.

They didn't happen every week at that time, only for special 'events' and the events really were special. Then, over time they became the norm and the way that Corrie was structured and written gradually changed to string stories out over an additional hour each week.

The Monday and Friday doubles have been the single biggest damage to Corrie.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:28
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I thought Corrie was half decent tonight - no FIz and Tyrone and we had the pleasure of Craig and Caitlin. I for one enjoyed it.

Yes Simon may be awful watch but we are getting some lovely scenes between Eva and Leanne, by actresses who can actually act.

The stuff with Connors was fine as well, nothing really interesting but watchable. And I am glad we're getting more scenes at the factory.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:32
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Double episodes were perfect in 2003 because there was a genuine hunger for more Corrie. I remember them being an exciting treat, especially around the time of Richard Hillman killing Maxine and then later coming back to drive the Platts into the canal.

They didn't happen every week at that time, only for special 'events' and the events really were special. Then, over time they became the norm and the way that Corrie was structured and written gradually changed to string stories out over an additional hour each week.

The Monday and Friday doubles have been the single biggest damage to Corrie.
I remember watching at the time and as you describe KK, the doubles dos feel like special events because they were big episodes only. The canal episodes and things like when Todd came out to Sarah and Gail and Eileen had that infamous fight. I agree with you that in the long run they have backfired as the show now seems to favour quality over quantity and I find it ludicrously unnecessary that they are adding a sixth Thursday episode.
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:37
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Although Fiz, Sophie and Dreary Maria have never been great.
I agree about Fiz, I've always found her irritating and annoying to a certain degree.

I think Sophie was a good character for much of the 00's she was smart and clever and contrasted her sister Rosie, she was also quite funny. I liked her coming out and relationship with Sian but since then I think the character has completely lost direction, from the dramatic mismatching with the awful Jenna, not much better with MyMaddie. In fact all they have focused on is her love/sex life instead of adding any other depth to the character until in fact very recently with this sudden garage enrapture thing.

I always have and still do like Maria but thing she has been underused the past few years and what she has had has been crap. The story where she pretended to be Kirsty had potential but was poorly written and resolved IMO
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Old 20-11-2015, 22:42
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It really was. Sure there were some poor characters (see the deadwood thread) and even some duff storylines but the quality overall was great personally in the early-mid 00s. There have been lots of episodes from that period recently uploaded to Youtube and I have enjoyed watching them back with a bit of nostalgia. Even the characters that are still there today seemed to be a lot better as notdebbiedingle pointed out. Gail was a strong matriachal figure back then and Helen Worth delievered some fantastic scenes, today the character has fallen so far, to be simpering over Les Dennis.
Even the characters that featured then like Fiz were better because they had a personality. Fiz did because she used to design clothes whereas now all she does is simper and moan at Ty. Gail was fantastic back then, as was Todd, Sarah, Nick, Steve, Liz, Eileen etc.

Double episodes were perfect in 2003 because there was a genuine hunger for more Corrie. I remember them being an exciting treat, especially around the time of Richard Hillman killing Maxine and then later coming back to drive the Platts into the canal.

They didn't happen every week at that time, only for special 'events' and the events really were special. Then, over time they became the norm and the way that Corrie was structured and written gradually changed to string stories out over an additional hour each week.

The Monday and Friday doubles have been the single biggest damage to Corrie.
I remember in 2004 the Mad Maya week and it was genuinely exciting to have extra episodes. Then over time it became the norm and less exciting.

I agree they have been the biggest damage maker to Corrie and it would be great to just cut back to four episodes.
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