You are possibly right. However, it depends if he is taking part in the SCD live tour.

But you'd love that

Honest it doesn't. Alesha didn't do the Tour and they made her a judge!

It's West End managements that organise and run the Tour - if you've an old programme have a look.

The TV producers have nothing to do with it, and the BBC is only 'associated' with the Tour as they own the Strictly name and way of doing things.

Last week Jay tripped over her dress, marked down, this week someone else tripped over their dress he disregarded it. He said he had done that last. week. (Craig I mean). I think there is some truth in what Ola said about fixes.

It certainly makes a different in ice-skating since they adopted one for technical merit and one for performance and it is much fairer imo.

He doesn't get undermarked . He messes up and gets marked as such . In fact this week he was over marked for a very basic performance , just because he smiled .
I see he is still nuzzling his partner too .Boke .

And nor perhaps, can you.


I loved his Salsa, 36 was a great score. But like, many others, I agree that some of the women's dances felt overmarked.

I bow to your knowledge - all that fibre...eeek!

I do accept it..I had no problem, especially it being the first dance (he went on second last week too) of the night...

What did concern me were the ' confetti tens' handed out to others later in the show, when obvious errors were made...and kellie's QS was hardly better than jamelia's imo...

The score was fine - it's the leaderboard position I'd take issue with.

And the others aren't 'nuzzling' theirs?? bloody hell, karen nearly smothered jezza last week, but THAT don't count I suppose...

I'm only going off what the judges themselves have said during critique plus comments from Choreography Corner and Waite's Warm Up in relation to technique. More experienced dancers on this very forum have highlighted the issues that Georgia and Anita, particularly, had last night. I understand celebrities are not showing their key skills and mistakes are going to be made, even in the showstopping performances, but there has to be a degree of fairness in the comments and marks. If you're going to pick up a lack of spotting in spins for Couple A and mark accordingly then you need to do the same with Couples B, C, D etc. Same with Flamenco shaping. Same with dancing in hold. How can it be so vitally important in one week then ignored the next?

He didn't trip over her dress. By the looks of the clip they rolled in his VT he actually trod on her foot.

You must watch a different programme to me.

I thought he was marked fairly. 9's all round is really good.

I don't think it deserved a ten for; lack of wow factor, and top half and shoulders were a bit stiff.

In the end, like others have said, the leaderboard looked correct to me.

The judges do not get time to explain the entire rationale for their decision in the minute or so they get to speak. Their comments are as much about picking up specific points that the couples can work on as much as anything else. Couple A in your example might have had lots of issues with their dance (that Couples B, C and D might not have had) but the spotting was the one that got commented on. The fact that other issues were not commented on does not mean that Couple A were perfect apart from the spotting.

The couples do not dance the exactly the same routines as the others in all their dances. It is inevitable, therefore, that the factors that differentiate may well be different depending on what is done.

Jay's fans need to accept that just because he did a great jive does not mean that he is perfect and, therefore, better than everyone else in every dance because he isn't.

Why do people need to accept anything that is down to opinion?

No they don't.

For me Jay is a beautiful, thrilling dancer, and the best.

Jay fans just have to accept that it's not always the best dancer that wins - or even gets the best scores, the judges aren't infallible, indeed their marks are often very obviously questionable and they aren't all experts either.

Abbey was far below Natalie, seriously, and Rachel was a much better dancer than Tom.

But it's an entertainment show, and people vote for their favorites, who often aren't the best.

This, from the person who thought Kellie deserved four 10's for last night's dance, and who manages to find something suggestive in every friendly hug. How sad!

In relation to the comments that's fair enough but the marks at the very least should reflect errors. Georgia didn't spot and got 10s. Anita had issues with Flamenco shaping and got 10s. Kellie's hold wasn't perfect and she got 10s. Jay forgot about his free arm at times and rightly didn't get 10s.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by your second point? Yes, routines are going to be different but technique doesn't change because of it. The base of the dance has to be the same.

I won't dignify your final comment with further response.

Last night's salsa was his best dance since his incredible jive, which he's been trying to live up to ever since. Four 9's was fair for me but going first didn't help him with getting even higher marks, as the show went on the judges got more swept up in the show and the 10's came out.

He'll get to the final no problem though so I don't know what his fans, and I'm one of them, are worried about.

I no longer have to lurk not this account has been confirmed.

I don't think it's that Jay was undermarked this week. All nines are perfectly reasonable. The issue this week was more that they were a tad too generous with some of the others.
Looking back at the dances last night I wouldn't really say any of them should have gotten a 10.
Was Craig maybe too harsh with Jay last week? Yes. But most of his scores other that that have been fair enough
Last edited by littlepoppy : 22-11-2015 at 15:59

My problem isn't really his score tbh but his position on the leaderboard and other dancers being overmarked last night in comparison.